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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Nov 26, 2007 17:56:29 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
I have two question for all ,
Are all sayyid's Jannati?
Can a Sayyid say if anyone wish to see a Jannati can look at me?
Please give answer from Quran and Hadith and no emotional reason.
I will give my answer's later.
JazakAllahu khayrun
Ba Khuda diwaana Bashi, Ba Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam ushayaar
Approach Allah as a crazy person. But be on your guard when approaching His Beloved Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam.
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Post by ahmad786 on Nov 26, 2007 19:44:54 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Syeds are not all jannati, there is some jahilis out there, without mentioning names. But then again who are we to judge. Allah knows best.
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Post by Sister Nomee on Nov 26, 2007 21:34:07 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Good Questions shah sahib.
Firstly we need to establish whether this person is a true sayyed as we have heard and seen people claiming to be sayyeds yet proven otherwise (no offence).
A true sayyed who is mashAllah descendent of the best creation ever our Beloved Rasool Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam I would say yes he/she is jannati, who preaches teaches Islam according to our Madani Aqa Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam.
Whether we can see a jannati person by looking at a sayyed, I think yes also, as some Sayyed such as various Pir O murshid are blessed with so much noor on their faces, they live in simplicity and preach perfect Islam.
Tayri nasl e paak mayn he bacha bacha nuur ka Tu he 'eyn e nuur tayray sab gharana nuur ka
Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by E P N on Nov 26, 2007 22:50:49 GMT
Tayri nasl e paak mayn he bacha bacha nuur ka Tu he 'eyn e nuur tayray sab gharana nuur ka Subhan-allah sister! Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuIs it to do with their Nisbat that all Sayyeds are Jannati? All Sayyeds that follow the correct path of Islam are Jannati. Certain Sayyeds will be granted Jannat before other Sayyeds? I do not think so, I think this would go against the belief? Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuP.S. I look forward to your reply Sayyed Sahib?
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Post by madnibrother786 on Nov 27, 2007 6:57:07 GMT
Guess what Zafar Iqbal told me that all sayyads are jannati that the fire of hell will not even touch the flesh of aulaad of nabi paak salla allahu alayhi wasalam.
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Post by Sanam1 on Nov 27, 2007 10:34:06 GMT
Tricky questions I think not all syeds are jannatis but FFS do tell us anyway as you have more knowledge than me.
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Post by Ashiq e Rasool on Nov 27, 2007 12:53:34 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam SubhanAlah I think all Sayeds deserve respect and I can not the sinless ashiq that I am look at any Sayyad with disrespect as they have the blood and linage of Our beloved Prophet Sayyedina Muhammad Mustufa Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam running through their veins. Irrespective of who they are and what they have done I can not judge as I am not worthy and to me all Sayads deserve respect.
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Post by Hafeez on Nov 27, 2007 15:31:28 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhuunfortunately I cant give you any proof from Quran and hadiths Shah saab, but the Syeds of the Alhe bai'th Radi Allahu anhum im sure they are guaranteed Janna'h, Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala and his Rasool Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam know best
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Post by king786 on Nov 27, 2007 15:35:16 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam SubhanAlah I think all Sayeds deserve respect and I can not the sinless ashiq that I am look at any Sayyad with disrespect as they have the blood and linage of Our beloved Prophet Sayyedina Muhammad Mustufa Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam running through their veins. Irrespective of who they are and what they have done I can not judge as I am not worthy and to me all Sayads deserve respect. Masha'Allah! well said my dear brother , may Allah honor you in this world and hereafter , as you have shown respect and true honor to our beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam and his family Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 6.320 Narrated Ka'b bin Ujra:
It was said, "O Allah's Apostle! We know how to greet you, but how to invoke Allah for you?" The Prophet said, "Say: O Allah! Send your blessings/greetings (Salawat) on Muhammad and his family, the same way as You sent Your blessings/greetings on Abraham's family. You are indeed worthy of all praise, full of glory.'"
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Post by aaq on Nov 27, 2007 16:57:04 GMT
Assalaamu alaykum,
Are all sayyid's Jannati?
As everyone here so far in this thread has said, Syeds are blessed and they deserve respect. However i want you all to look at the following story from; (zia un nabi:volume 5: page 989).
When the caliph Jafar ordered Imam Malik (radi allahu anho) to be flogged, he was flogged so much that Imam Malik (radi allahu anho) fell unconscious. People gathered around Imam Malik (radi allahu anho) and when he regained consciousness he (radi allahu anho) said to the people around him. 'I make you witnesses, I have forgiven him who has given me this beating.' Imam Malik (radi allahu anho) was asked why he had shown so much mercy, he replied 'I fear that if i die in this state and meet the prophet (Sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) I shall feel ashamed that because of me a relative of the prophet (Sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) may be thrown into hell.'
Can we derive from this story that not all sayids are jannati?
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Post by aaq on Nov 27, 2007 17:33:47 GMT
Assalaamu alaykum,
In Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith Nos.
1420 and 2907 and in Sahih Muslim Hadith No. 1069 it is reported that Hadrat Hasan r.a once took a date from the dates of sadaqa and placed it in his mouth. At this Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam said: "Kakh!Kakh! Throw it out! Dont you know that we do not eat charity?"
In a hadith recorded in Sahih Muslim it is stated: "This charity is the dirt of the (property) of people and is not permissible for Muhammad (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam) and his family."
Or maybe from this we can say all syeds are jannati because we cant give our zakat to them because they are pure and our zakat money is impure?
wassalaamu alaykum
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Post by king786 on Nov 27, 2007 18:02:52 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
I have two question for all ,
Are all sayyid's Jannati?
Can a Sayyid say if anyone wish to see a Jannati can look at me?
Please give answer from Quran and Hadith and no emotional reason.
I will give my answer's later.
JazakAllahu khayrun
Ba Khuda diwaana Bashi, Ba Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam ushayaar
Approach Allah as a crazy person. But be on your guard when approaching His Beloved Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam. Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu my dear brother Hadhrat Abu Dharr (Radhi Allahu Ta'ala 'Anhu) while holding the door of the Ka'ba, said that he had heard the Holy Nabi (Sall Allahu alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallim) say, "My family among you are like Noah's ark. He who sails on it will be safe, but he who holds back from it will perish." (Musnad Ahmad bin Hambal)Al-hamdu lillah If Prophets Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam family is like a Noahs alayhis 'salam Ark were is the question of them drowning ?Hadhrat Zaid bin Arqam (Radhi Allahu Ta'ala 'Anhu) reported Allah's Messenger (Sall Allahu alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallim) as saying, "I am leaving among you something of such a nature that if you lay hold of it you will not go astray after I am gone, one part of it being more important than the other: Allah's Book, a rope stretched from heaven to earth, and my close relatives who belong to my household. These two will not separate from one another till they come down to the Pond, so consider how you would act regarding them after my departure." (Sahih Tirmidhi)Masha'Allah! if the Prophets Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam family will not separate from the Quran till they safely reach the blessed Prophets Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam pond Kuthar , were is the question of them ALL not being forgiven by Allah ? "Allah only desires to remove abomination from you, members of the family, and purify you." Holy Qur'an, (33:33) Masha'Allah! when Allah himself wishes to purify Prophets Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam family then the wish of Almighty Allah cannot be questioned IMPORTANT NOTE : IN ALL THE ABOVE AHADITH OUR BELOVED PROPHET Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam SAID MY FAMILY
HE Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam DID NOT SAY SOME OF MY FAMILY
WHAT I PRESUME FROM ABOVE AHADITH IS ALL TRUE PROPHETS Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam FAMILY MEMBERS SAYYIDS WILL BE JANNATI'S OTHER WISE PROPHET MUHAMMAD (S) WOULD HAVE CLEARLY SAID SOME OF MY FAMILY BUT HE DID NOT SAY IT .
BUT IT WOULD NOT BE RIGHT FOR A SAYYID TO SAY HE OR SHE IS JANNATI THEMSELVES AS THEY SHOULD LEAVE THAT TO ALLAH AS HE ALONE IS THE ALL KNOWING AND AS ALLAH SAYS IN QURAN HE DOES NOT LOVE THE ARROGANT AND THE BOASTFUL .[/color] No disaster, unless it has been preordained and recorded in the book of records, can ever befall the earth nor your own selves. Behold, all this is easy enough for Allah. Know this so that you may not despair for the good fortune you lost, nor exult unduly because of the blessings bestowed upon you. Allah does not love the arrogant and the boastful.
-- Qur'an, Al-Hadid, 57:22-23IN THE END ALLAH IS ALL KNOWING AND HE ONLY KNOWS THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS MATTER.
PEACE
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Nov 27, 2007 21:15:28 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Some great replies......
Excellent reply by brother king786 but brother "BUT IT WOULD NOT BE RIGHT FOR A SAYYID TO SAY HE OR SHE IS JANNATI "
Why would it not be right , as you yourself quoted hadith and aaya'h from Quran.
I will reply after reading the maximum views , and Insha-Allah will quote my refrence from a great Shaykh of this age and time.
JazakAllahu khayrun
Yaa Ali
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Nov 28, 2007 13:47:37 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
JAZZALLAHU ANNA SAYYEDINA MUHAMMADAN MA HUWA AHLAHU
MANAM SAGHE DARBARE JILANI
Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) says in the Glorious Qur’aan in the 33rd Sura al-Ahzaab (the Associates), Verse 33:
Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Members of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing
This famous verse of the glorious Qur’aan that is called "Ayat al-Tathir" or "The Verse of Purification"
O Household of My Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam! Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) intends to keep far away from all (rijs) and thoroughly cleanse you as He cleanses.
I have given a simple translation. If one ventures into the field of verification then many words need verification.
Firstly what does the word (rijs) mean?
What does it infer?
We also need to clarify what (ahlal Bayt) refers to?
Unless both these are clarified one cannot know who has been cleansed of what?
Hazrath Imam Fakhr al-Din al-Razi Radi Allahu anhu in his world-renowned commentary of the Holy Qur’aan called Tafsir-e Kabir (The Great Commentary) has stated:
There is difference of opinion as regards the reference in (ahlal Bayt)
Some state it refers only to the Pure Wives of the beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam.
Some say it only refers to those whom we call ‘The Purified Five’ or ‘Panjattan Paak’ i.e.
Others have stated it refers to the Pure Wives, ‘The Purified Five’ or ‘Panjattan Paak’; and all children that are born of the ‘Panjattan Paak’ till the Day of Reckoning (Qiyaamah).
Imam Razi Radi Allahu anhu favored this last description of (ahlal Bayt). He said:
The Pure Wives of the beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam , all their children including Imam Hassan alayhis 'salam and Imam Hussain alayhis 'salam including Hazrath Ali alayhis 'salam.
Hazrath Ali alayhis 'salam is also included in ahle bayt because he was brought up and educated (tarbiyyah) by the beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Yaa Ahle Bayt Al-Athar Al-Madad
to be continue ,
please be patient everyone will get the answer with the daleel's.
P.S. I just ask the Question's , Are all sayyid's Jannati?
Can a Sayyid say if anyone wish to see a Jannati can look at me?
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Post by ahmad786 on Nov 28, 2007 14:11:31 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ok what about rafzi shia syeds ?
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Post by ank92 on Nov 29, 2007 0:17:33 GMT
Good thread and interesting replies.
All Sayyids of Sound belief without any doubt are truly Jannati. And yes when looking at a Sayyid one is surely looking at a Jannati as the entire descendants 'sadaat e Kiraam' will be with the Noble Messenger in the hereafter.
Those who stray from the true path or hold 'shi'ite beliefs' though they may have been born in a Sayyid family but the nisbah connection cuts off. Such people we do not give the same credit and respect as a Sayyid. Some scholars say that if a Sayyid is misguided ie gumrah then he still deserves respect but from a distance. since close contact and friendship can be a danger of misguiding others. But those who linger towards infidelity ie kufr they should not be respected and as said before they are sayyid just by name 'no nisbat'. such as the shi'as who disrespect the Noble Companions.
This should not be mistaken for the 'gunahgaar sayyids'. They should most definately be respect in every aspect and one should not spread ghibah about them but by following the beautiful examples of Imam Ahmed Raza Reh. endeavour to make them realise their external weaknesses without causing them pain or hurt.
I hope this is correct Sayyid Sahib, I am quoting what I remember from a speech by Sheikh ul Islam.
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Post by shamshuddin on Nov 29, 2007 0:57:31 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Some very good posts, and brother ank92 is spot on as well. Respect to all sayeds that remain within the bounds of shariah. Dont forget Abul ala Modoodi was a syed, and no Imam, scholar or faqih has ever respected him because of his open heresies.
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Post by Ashiq e Rasool on Nov 29, 2007 11:22:55 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam SubhanAllah excellent replies from Shah Sahib , brother King786 and Brother Ank92 all inspiring post and very educative. I look forward to read more replies.
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Nov 29, 2007 13:29:03 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuSome very good posts, and brother ank92 is spot on as well. Respect to all sayeds that remain within the bounds of shariah. Dont forget Abul ala Modoodi was a syed, and no Imam, scholar or faqih has ever respected him because of his open heresies. Beloved brother then why did aala hazrat Radi Allahu anhu said " teri nasle paak mein hain bacha bacha noor ka tu hain aine nur tera sab gharana nur ka"Sayyid with a correct lineage where there is no golmaal can never die on Kufr. I will also come to this point in latter part of my daleel. Let me first clear some doubts from the moind of some people.
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Nov 29, 2007 13:34:49 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
You are going against the hadith shareef of beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam.
Sayyedina Umar Radi Allahu anhu said I heard the Messenger of Allah Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam say "Every lineage and means will be severed on the Day of Judgment except my lineage and my means."
JazakAllahu khayrun.
Nahi(N) Khushbakht Mohtaajaane Aa'lam Mei(N) Koi Hamsa Mila Taqdir Se Haajat Rawa Farooqe A'zam Sa
Rehan Dar Aa'lame Pasti Saare Rif'at Agar Daari Bayaa(N) Farqe Iraadat Bar Dare Farooqe A'zam Sa
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