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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Nov 29, 2007 13:38:03 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhuok what about rafzi shia syeds ? Asli Sayyed will never die on Kufr. JazakAllahu Khayrun Yaa Ali
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Nov 29, 2007 14:11:49 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
JAZZALLAHU ANNA SAYYEDINA MUHAMMADAN MA HUWA AHLAHU
MANAM SAGHE DARBARE JILANI
There are two views amongst the Ulama regarding the Saa’daat [descendants of the beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam ]
Imam Ahmad Raza Faazile Barelvi Radi Allahu anhu view on this regard is that disbelief or kufr cannot emanate from a Saa’daat.
Imam 'Abd al-Qadir Bada'uni Radi Allahu anhu the author of Bada’yun Shareef says that he can embrace disbelief or kufr but he will not die as a disbeliever or kaafir. He will be granted the ‘Allah given aid’ or tawfiq to repent. So both points of view, that kufr cannot emanate from a Saa’daat and he can embrace disbelief or kufr but he will not die as a disbeliever or kaafir are both derived due to his ancestry (nasab) and not his efforts (a’maal). So the benefit of being the descendant of the beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam is that it repels kufr. What greater benefit can there be than this?
No other ancestry except the beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam ancestry can claim this benefit. So Imam Ahmad Raza Radi Allahu anhu says kufr cannot come near a Saa’daat and Imam Bada’uni says kufr will not remain with a Saa’daat and both these are based on ancestry (nasab) not effort (a’maal). The reason is that they will be joined and lodged with the beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam and hence they will go to him with faith (imaan).
Shaykh al Islam Madani Miya Sahib Qibla agrees with both the above mentioned scholar on this issue.
I hope this answer the question from brother Shamshuddin , ank92 and brother Ahmad 786.
I will continue with my post tommowrow and Insha-Allah will continue with reference from Quran and hadith shareef.
Jazakallahu khayrun
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Post by musaafir on Nov 29, 2007 14:27:51 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhuok what about rafzi shia syeds ? Assalaam Alaikum If they are real syeds(not like the type that become Syed half way as is common is shia circles) then we should not show bughz(dislike or disrespect) for their noble lineage,but rather just dislike their beliefs.
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Nov 29, 2007 15:29:31 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhuok what about rafzi shia syeds ? Assalaam Alaikum If they are real syeds(not like the type that become Syed half way as is common is shia circles) then we should not show bughz(dislike or disrespect) for their noble lineage,but rather just dislike their beliefs. Well said brother Musaafir.
Once Hazrat Khwaja Abul Hasan Khirqani Radi Allahu anhu orgainse a meelad and he invite the whole city and people from the nearby villages. But he did'nt one person because he was a drunkard. After the meelad When Khwaja Abul hasan Radi Allahu anhu went to sleep , He saw in his dream that Beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam is washing a very very dirty cloth, Khwaja Abul Hasan Radi Allahu anhu went to beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam and said O my Master Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam give me this cloth i will wash it for you ,
Sarwar-e-konain Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam said O Abul Hasan you cant clean this cloth , this is not a cloth this is the sin of my descendant and its only me who can clean it. and Sarwar-e-Konain Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam turned his face from Abul Hasan Radi Allahu anhu
Khwaja Abul hasan Radi Allahu anhu said o my Master Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam , why are you turning your face from me.
Sarwar-e-Konain Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam replied O Abul hasan Radi Allahu anhu whose meelad you celebrate today
Yours said Abul hasan Radi Allahu anhu
Then why did'nt you invite my descendant replied beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
O my Master Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam i invite all your descendant and your slave present in this city replied Abul Hasan Khirqani Radi Allahu anhu
Are you sure? replied beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
I didnt invite one drunkard replied Khwaja Abul hasan Khirqani Radi Allahu anhu
beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam said O Abul Hasan you see that he is drunkard but you did'nt see that he is among my descendant.
Khwaja Abul Hasan Khirqani Radi Allahu anhu wake from the dream and he start crying.
He straight away went to that person house and fell on his feet and ask him to forgive him.
When that person forgive him , Khwaja abul hasan Radi Allahu anhu narrated him his dream to that person , when that person heard about all the event's from Khwaja Radi Allahu anhu dream he start crying and repent from all his sin's and become disciple of Khwaja Abul hasan Khirqani Radi Allahu anhu
From the lecture of Allama Maulana Nabi Sarwar Naqshbandi Qadiri Ashrafi Sahib.
Jazakallahu khayrun
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Post by E P N on Nov 29, 2007 17:27:27 GMT
Imam 'Abd al-Qadir Bada'uni Radi Allahu anhu the author of Bada’yun Shareef says that he can embrace disbelief or kufr but he will not die as a disbeliever or kaafir.[/size] He will be granted the ‘Allah given aid’ or tawfiq to repent. So both points of view, that kufr cannot emanate from a Saa’daat and he can embrace disbelief or kufr but he will not die as a disbeliever or kaafir are both derived due to his ancestry (nasab) and not his efforts (a’maal). So the benefit of being the descendant of the beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam is that it repels kufr. What greater benefit can there be than this? [/quote] Subhan-allah! Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuJazak-allah Sayyed Sahib for some fascinating information. After reading through your above post I remembered hearing that every Sayyed near the moment of death is given an opportunity to repent (seek forgiveness) from ALLAH Subhanahu wa Ta'ala? Is it correct to assume this is related to the above? Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by madnibrother786 on Nov 29, 2007 18:40:40 GMT
Sayyedina Umar Radi Allahu anhu said I heard the Messenger of Allah Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam say "Every lineage and means will be severed on the Day of Judgment except my lineage and my means." Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa SallamNot doubting the hadeeth, but I just want to discuss this with some ulema whom I follow, just wondering if there is a reference to hand shah saab. Jazakallahu Khayrun Naseer
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Post by king786 on Nov 30, 2007 6:53:40 GMT
Assalaam Alaikum beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam said O Abul Hasan you see that he is drunkard but you did'nt see that he is among my descendant. Khwaja Abul Hasan Khirqani Radi Allahu anhu wake from the dream and he start crying. He straight away went to that person house and fell on his feet and ask him to forgive him. When that person forgive him , Khwaja abul hasan Radi Allahu anhu narrated him his dream to that person , when that person heard about all the event's from Khwaja Radi Allahu anhu dream he start crying and repent from all his sin's and become disciple of Khwaja Abul hasan Khirqani Radi Allahu anhuFrom the lecture of Allama Maulana Nabi Sarwar Naqshbandi Qadiri Ashrafi Sahib. Jazakallahu khayrun Yaa Ali[/b][/color][/quote] Masha'Allah! a very interesting episode brother.
A Important thing is our beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam at his temporal death bed called out
MY UMMAH MY UMMAH
If you realize that a person like Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam who was so much concerned with a happy ending for his Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam ummat would SURELY be more concerned about a happy ending for his Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam own family .
As we all know the Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam has not cursed his own Ummat because he Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam loved his ummat so much compared to other Prophets alayhis 'salam who most of them cursed their own ummati .
Going by the above if Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam has shown so much mercy and love for his ummati then he Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam will SURELY show more love and mercy to his Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam own family .
There is no doubt Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam was sent by Allah as an MERCY to all mankind .
“And We have sent you (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) not but as a mercy for all the worlds.” QURAN (Al-Anbiyâ 21:107)
Now this mercy to mankind Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam is even more merciful to his own flesh and blood the Sayyids , needless to say Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam laid a great stress in treating relatives well .
Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam will be raised to the station of praise or muqaam e Mahmood on the day of Judgment by Allah .
Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam will praise Allah standing at the station of Praise with which Allah will be so pleased that He will say
" O" Muhammad ask what you will and it will be given
Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam will start asking for forgiveness for all mankind the foremost will be his Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam ummat who will be granted forgiveness and needless to say that the Prophets Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam own family will also be given forgiveness by Allah as the Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam will intercede more and ask forgiveness more for his own family .
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Nov 30, 2007 20:17:46 GMT
Imam 'Abd al-Qadir Bada'uni Radi Allahu anhu the author of Bada’yun Shareef says that he can embrace disbelief or kufr but he will not die as a disbeliever or kaafir.[/size] He will be granted the ‘Allah given aid’ or tawfiq to repent. So both points of view, that kufr cannot emanate from a Saa’daat and he can embrace disbelief or kufr but he will not die as a disbeliever or kaafir are both derived due to his ancestry (nasab) and not his efforts (a’maal). So the benefit of being the descendant of the beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam is that it repels kufr. What greater benefit can there be than this? [/quote] Subhan-allah! Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuJazak-allah Sayyed Sahib for some fascinating information. After reading through your above post I remembered hearing that every Sayyed near the moment of death is given an opportunity to repent (seek forgiveness) from ALLAH Subhanahu wa Ta'ala? Is it correct to assume this is related to the above? Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu[/quote] Yes it correct to assume that it is related to above. Ya Ahle Bayt Al-Athar
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Nov 30, 2007 20:19:41 GMT
Sayyedina Umar Radi Allahu anhu said I heard the Messenger of Allah Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam say "Every lineage and means will be severed on the Day of Judgment except my lineage and my means." Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa SallamNot doubting the hadeeth, but I just want to discuss this with some ulema whom I follow, just wondering if there is a reference to hand shah saab. Jazakallahu Khayrun Naseer Tabarani: al-Mujam-ul-Awsat (4:257#4132) and in al-Mujam-ul-Kabir (11:243# 11621) through Abdullah bin Abbas with different wording and in (20:27#33) through Miswar bin Makharramah.
JazakAllahu khayrun
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Nov 30, 2007 20:28:44 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
JAZZALLAHU ANNA SAYYEDINA MUHAMMADAN MA HUWA AHLAHU
MANAM SAGHE DARBARE JILANI
Maula-e-Kainat alayhis 'salam was brought up under the guardianship and in the household of the beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam .
Who are people of the household (ghar)? They are those who can walk into and leave the house without seeking permission. Those who need permission to enter are people of the Prophets Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam bless Court (dar) not the Prophets Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam bless Home (ghar).
The law has been fixed for Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) says in the glorious Qur’aan in the 33rd Sura al-Ahzaab (the Associates), Verse 53:
O you who believe! Do not enter the houses of the Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam unless permission is given to you
This law is not for the members of the Prophets Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam bless Home (ghar) but it is for people of the Prophets Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam bless Court (dar). For Hazrath Ali alayhis 'salam, Imam Hassan alayhis 'salam and Imam Hussain alayhis 'salam there is no restricted entry they may enter and leave repeatedly without permission.
Ponder, even Hazrath Uthman Radi Allahu anhu was the son-in-law of the beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam but he also needed permission to enter and leave the house of the beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam . The reason is that if Hazrath Uthman Radi Allahu anhu had to enter the blessed house then Hazrath Fatimah Zahra salamun alayha would have to wear her pardah.
So those are the members of the Prophets Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam bless Home (ghar) whom, if they enter then the females don’t have to observe pardah. So right unto the time of Imam Mahdi alayhis 'salam and beyond all the Sayyids or the direct descendants of the beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam are allowed to enter the blessed household without permission for Bibi Fatimah salamun alayha is their grandmother. So do understand that the bless Household (ahlal Bayt) refers to the Pure Wives, ‘The Purified Five’ or ‘Panjattan Paak’; and all children that are born of the ‘Panjattan Paak’ till the Day of Reckoning (Qiyaamah).
To be continue........
JazakAllahu khayrun
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Post by Ashiq e Rasool on Dec 1, 2007 12:38:01 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam SubhanAllah Shah Sahib a n excellent set of post very educative and inspiring, fascinating reading, I have learned so much keep up the good work and I look forward to read more. If anybody had doubts this will certainly clear them up.
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Post by ank92 on Dec 2, 2007 22:53:22 GMT
Most respected Fana fi Shaykh kibla Sayed Saheb,
I quote you from earlier post, could you please clarify from the above what defines 'means' is it 'rishta e gulami'?
from my post what I meant was that the Beloved Messenger Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam stated that their lineage will not be broken off till qiyamat which is mine and every sunnis Iman Inshallah but those who do cut themselves off my going towards kufr are no longer in this lineage but this does not effect our Aqa's lineage in any way - just as those who are Ummati but become kafir it does not affect our Aqa's 'means' in any way because their lineage and 'means' will remain intact till qiayamt. Just as from Hadrat Adam alayhis 'salamup to our Beloved there was no infidelity in between the Noor shone on Hadrat Abdullah Radi Allahu anhu to our Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam and this Noor will continue through our Beloveds descendants till qiayamat hence Sayed generally only marry sayyed. But just as the son of Hadrat Nooh Alayhis Salaams became a kafir his 'ahl' was cut off but he still remained Hadrat Nooh's physical son. There is a verse on this by the great poet Allama Iqbal. Even the disgraced Abu Laheb though was our Aqa's Uncle but due to his infidelity he is not classed as the 'Ahle ie family of Rasoolai Kareem Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam. I hope you can see where I am coming from.
Please continue to entral me and fill my heart with the love and honour of the Ahle Bayt. and pray that we can be with you in Jannah.
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Post by sajjad dar ashrafi on Dec 3, 2007 0:06:14 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Mashallah we should and do love all true Sayyads because of the blood that runs through them
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Post by abdooljabbar on Dec 3, 2007 1:17:22 GMT
i have reserve on this....well Allah only has the power to judge.we are not free of sins.we are all sinners.Allah knows who is best among us to be granted jannat be it a sayed or not.
i have even met syeds who are shia,though relatively moderate.
well again we cant judge but i openly show reserve on such issues
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Dec 3, 2007 17:03:44 GMT
Most respected Fana fi Shaykh kibla Sayed Saheb, I quote you from earlier post, could you please clarify from the above what defines 'means' is it 'rishta e gulami'? from my post what I meant was that the Beloved Messenger Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam stated that their lineage will not be broken off till qiyamat which is mine and every sunnis Iman Inshallah but those who do cut themselves off my going towards kufr are no longer in this lineage but this does not effect our Aqa's lineage in any way - just as those who are Ummati but become kafir it does not affect our Aqa's 'means' in any way because their lineage and 'means' will remain intact till qiayamt. Just as from Hadrat Adam alayhis 'salamup to our Beloved there was no infidelity in between the Noor shone on Hadrat Abdullah Radi Allahu anhu to our Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam and this Noor will continue through our Beloveds descendants till qiayamat hence Sayed generally only marry sayyed. But just as the son of Hadrat Nooh Alayhis Salaams became a kafir his 'ahl' was cut off but he still remained Hadrat Nooh's physical son. There is a verse on this by the great poet Allama Iqbal. Even the disgraced Abu Laheb though was our Aqa's Uncle but due to his infidelity he is not classed as the 'Ahle ie family of Rasoolai Kareem Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam. I hope you can see where I am coming from. Please continue to entral me and fill my heart with the love and honour of the Ahle Bayt. and pray that we can be with you in Jannah.
Kulla Nasabi wa sa sahari munqati yaumul Qiyaamah illa nasabi was sahari
On the Day of Judgment every family and relationship will be severed except my family and relationship
All family ties and relationships will be severed except the family tie and relationship (rishtae ghulami) of the beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam . Relationship (rishtae ghulami) of the beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam will only benefit you on the Day of Judgment if you preserve it in this world. To maintain the rishtae ghulami is your duty and to preserve the blood relatives of the beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam is the grace (fazl) of Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) . Rishtae ghulami is created by us but nasab or blood relationship is a gift from Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He). So that which is received through the grace (fazl) of Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) is different from that which is acquired through effort.
Ponder! A high status is attained through knowledge (ilm) and deeds (amal);and through Allah Consciousness (taqwa) and purity (tahaarat). A being possessing all these qualities worshipping for 6 million years, Iblis who had reached the spiritual status of teacher of Angels lost his high status due to his arrogance. The Angels acquire their status due to the fazl of Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) and Iblis acquired his status due to his efforts. The one reaching high status due to effort can falter but not the one who has been blessed with grace (fazl) from Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He).
The Family of the beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam have been blessed with a unique nobility by Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) due to their ancestry (nasab) and link to the beloved ProphetSalla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam . It is the fazl of Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) that they were born in this pure, noble family.
This is also one of the reason why Imam Ahmad Raza Faazile Barelvi Radi Allahu anhu view on this regard is that disbelief or kufr cannot emanate from a Saadaat.
Imam 'Abd al-Qadir Bada'uni Radi Allahu anhu the author of Badayun Shareef says that he can embrace disbelief or kufr but he will not die as a disbeliever or kaafir. He will be granted the Allah given aid or tawfiq to repent.
To be continue.
JazakAllahu khayrun
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Dec 3, 2007 17:11:49 GMT
i have reserve on this....well Allah only has the power to judge.we are not free of sins.we are all sinners.Allah knows who is best among us to be granted jannat be it a sayed or not. i have even met syeds who are shia,though relatively moderate. well again we cant judge but i openly show reserve on such issues
Well said beloved brother , I am not giving anyone any certificate , i just ask the question and i am just trying to show the maqaam of ahle bayt althar to my limited knowledge.
As i see your Shaykh is Razavi then you might be following maslak-e-ala hazrat.
Ala hazrat Radi Allahu anhu view on this subject : Imam Ahmad Raza Faazile Barelvi Radi Allahu anhu view on this regard is that disbelief or kufr cannot emanate from a Saadaat.
Yaa Panjtan Paak
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Post by madnibrother786 on Dec 3, 2007 18:17:17 GMT
mashallah jazakallah shah saab for the information.
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Post by king786 on Dec 4, 2007 16:27:28 GMT
Most respected Fana fi Shaykh kibla Sayed Saheb, I quote you from earlier post, could you please clarify from the above what defines 'means' is it 'rishta e gulami'? from my post what I meant was that the Beloved Messenger Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam stated that their lineage will not be broken off till qiyamat which is mine and every sunnis Iman Inshallah but those who do cut themselves off my going towards kufr are no longer in this lineage but this does not effect our Aqa's lineage in any way - just as those who are Ummati but become kafir it does not affect our Aqa's 'means' in any way because their lineage and 'means' will remain intact till qiayamt. Just as from Hadrat Adam alayhis 'salamup to our Beloved there was no infidelity in between the Noor shone on Hadrat Abdullah Radi Allahu anhu to our Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam and this Noor will continue through our Beloveds descendants till qiayamat hence Sayed generally only marry sayyed. But just as the son of Hadrat Nooh Alayhis Salaams became a kafir his 'ahl' was cut off but he still remained Hadrat Nooh's physical son. There is a verse on this by the great poet Allama Iqbal. Even the disgraced Abu Laheb though was our Aqa's Uncle but due to his infidelity he is not classed as the 'Ahle ie family of Rasoolai Kareem Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam. I hope you can see where I am coming from. Please continue to entral me and fill my heart with the love and honour of the Ahle Bayt. and pray that we can be with you in Jannah. Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu my dear brother as this question was directed to dear brother Fana fi Shaykh and the brother has answered your query very well .
They are few things I would like to add .
All praise is to Allah who gives answers to difficult questions to the slaves who sincerely seek the respect and love of beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Brother you said one of the sons of Noah alayhis 'salam became an unbeliever and hence his spiritual Ahl was cut off from Noah alayhis 'salam but what you fail to realize my dear brother the position bestowed to our beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam is far beyond the position bestowed to any other Prophets alayhis 'salam .
were the position of all prophets alayhis 'salam ends there beings the position of beloved of Allah Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam Hadhrat Abu Dharr (Radhi Allahu Ta'ala 'Anhu) while holding the door of the Ka'ba, said that he had heard the Holy Nabi (Sall Allahu alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallim) say, "My family among you are like Noah's ark. He who sails on it will be safe, but he who holds back from it will perish." (Musnad Ahmad bin Hambal)Masha'Allah! EVERY ONE of our beloved Prophets Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam near family members or Ahel Bayt ( Sayyids) are LIKE NOAH alayhis 'salam ARK , LEAVE ALONE THEM DROWNING THEY ARE THE SHIP ON WHICH WHOEVER EMBARKS IS SAVED FROM BECOMING A JAHANUMI AND WILL SURELY BECOME JANAATI .
As I have said earlier my dear brother I repeat again
were the position of all prophets alayhis 'salam ends there beings the position of beloved of Allah Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Eyes cannot see and mind cannot Imagine and comprehend the Hig position of beloved of Allah , Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Only Allah knows the postion of his beloved Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam {Nun. By the pen and that which they write (therewith), you art not, for your Lord's favor unto you, a madman. And lo! yours verily will be a reward unfailing. And lo! you are of a tremendous nature} Quran (68:1-4). My dear brother you also quoted the example of Abu Lahab who was an uncle of Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam but died as unbeliver but you should have taken notice of brother Fana fi Shaykh earlier explanation on this thread regarding who are Ahle Bayt as our brother clearly explained the Ahle Bayt are Ali ( Radi Allahu anhu , Fatima Radi Allahu anha , Hassan Radi Allahu anhu Hussain Radi Allahu anhu and their decendends Sayiids , Plus the Mother of belivers the wifes Radi Allahu anha of our beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam .
As you can see my dear brother the Sayyids are from Ahle Bayt and when we talk about family of Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam we mean the Ahle Bayt ONLY genreally .
As Abu Lahab was an uncle of Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam he is not of Sayyids or Ahle Bayt .
But look at the good fortune of Abu Lahab among the people of hell that every Monday his punishment is lessened because he freed slaves in joy of his nephews Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam birth . Let see what Siddiq Osman Noormuhammad says about the Issue of Abu Lahab on the website Iqra.net
Shaykh Siddiq Ahmad Nasir explains that Hafiz ad-Dimishqi wrote in his book:
"It is established in Sahih Ahadith that punishment is lessened for Abu Lahab every Monday because he set Thuwaibah free out of joy and happiness at the birth of the Noble Prophet Sallallahu 'alaihi wa Sallam".
After that he composed these three verses:
Idhaa kaana haadhaa kaafiran ja'a dhimmuhu Bi Tabbat Yadaa fi'l jaheemi mukhalladaa
Ataa annahu fee yaumi'l Ithnayni daaiman Yukhaffif 'anhu lisururi bi Ahmadaa
Famadhannu bi'l 'abdilladhee kaana 'umruhu Bi Ahmad masrooran wa maata Muwahhidaa
When this is a kaafir and his censure has come (in the Qur'an) Perish his hands in the fire of hell forever
It has been narrated that always on Monday (His punishment) is lessened because of his happiness at (the birth of) Ahmad
What is the view then about the servant (of Allah) who spent his whole life Being happy at (the birth of) Ahmad and died an upholder of Tawhid?
May Allah Sub'hanahu wa Ta'ala give us the hidaya (guidance) to continue sending salawaat and salaam on the beloved Prophet Muhammad al-Mustafa Sallallahu 'alaihi wa Sallam till our last breath and give all of us Husn u'l Khaatimah (a felicitous end), Aameen Yaa Rabba'l 'Aalameen.
Sallallahu 'alaa Muhammad Sallallahu 'alaihi wa Sallim
Yaa Nabi Salaam 'alaika Yaa Rasul Salaam 'alaika Yaa Habib Salaam 'alaika Salawatullah 'alaika.
[/b][/color] Now it wont be an overstatement to sate from the above hadith that Abu Lahab earned the decrease in his torment on every Monday on account of his being an uncle of Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam and the joy he felt at the birth of his nephew Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam .
Masha'Allah! If such is the treatment of a relative of Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam who did not even belong to his Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam Ahle Bayt or near family by Allah even though he was an enemy of Islam and Prophet Himself
Then one cant help but wonder how Allah will treat the true Ahle Bayit or Sayyids .
IN THE END ALLAH ONLY KNOWS
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Dec 6, 2007 13:06:00 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Excellent reply by brother king786.
P.S. I am am editing the name of this thread , so there be no confusion or doubts in anybody's mind.
Yaa Punjtan Paak
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Dec 6, 2007 14:09:15 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
JAZZALLAHU ANNA SAYYEDINA MUHAMMADAN MA HUWA AHLAHU
MANAM SAGHE DARBARE JILANI
Let us refocus upon "Ayat al-Tathir" or "The Verse of Purification" and in the light of the clarification of who constitutes the belovedProphet’s Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam Pure Household (ahlal Bayt). Some translate it as:
O Members of the Household Allah's wish is but that you remain pure; do good deeds and keep yourself clean and pure; be Allah Conscious
If translated in this way there is no special distinction given to the members of the Prophets Household. Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) addresses the Members of the Pure Household specifically and He is asking them to do what He exhorts every person, Muslim or non-Muslim in His universal message to adopt. This does not merit the specific addressing of the members beloved Prophet’s Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam Pure Household (ahlal Bayt). Let me give you the answer for the various questions I shall pose from "Ayat al-Tathir" or "The Verse of Purification".
I tell Sayed Ruknuddin sitting alongside me, ‘O Sayed Ruknuddin! I intend that you build a house in the city of Baroda.’ What does this mean?
The intention is mine but he has to build the house. I don’t know if he has the means and resources to fulfill my intention. So my statement makes one who listens to it focus on Sayed Ruknuddin as to whether he has the capacity to fulfill my request. On the other hand if I say, ‘O Sayed Ruknuddin! I intend to build a house for you in the city of Baroda.’ Now the listener focuses on me as to whether I have the means and resources to fulfill my intention or not. In the "Ayat al-Tathir" or "The Verse of Purification" Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) did not tell the members beloved Prophet’s Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam Pure Household (ahlal Bayt) to cleanse themselves of (rijs) but He said:
Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) intends to remove (rijs) from you
Honestly tell me does Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) not possess the means and resources to fulfill His intention. So don’t focus on the members beloved Prophet’s Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam Pure Household (ahlal Bayt) but focus on Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) who wishes to purify them.
To be continue...
JazakAllahu khayrun
Yaa Panjtan Paak
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