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Post by sajjad dar ashrafi on Mar 1, 2009 16:08:02 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Were and are is a different thing, so now the Imams can demand money.
Secondly they(the Naat Khawans) have a right to ask what they want and if people accept their demands then is that the Naat Khawans problem or fault
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Post by Naqshbandi on Mar 1, 2009 16:13:54 GMT
Yes it is the naat khwaans fault, because they shouldnt make the demand in the first place and not make the people majboor. Some times because Owais Raza Qadri brings in the audiences people will call them to drag the kids to the masjid as then they will come, as nowadays no matter how big of an alim you call nobody is interested.
Well although there is a difference between 'were' and 'are' it is always important to know the basics and the initial rulings so then we know where we are. Some ulema still dont agree hence it is important to acknowledge that point.!!!
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Post by Musafir on Mar 1, 2009 16:14:02 GMT
It is haraam to demand or pay money for the recital of Quran e kareem and imamat.
However the ulema allow wages to the imaams/moilvis for their "time"(which they give could have otherwise used to to do another job to feed their families),and not with intention of paying of Quran recital(in salaah too) or imamat per say.
The moulvis still need to to earn for the upkeep of their families like anybody else.
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Post by Musafir on Mar 1, 2009 16:16:36 GMT
Secondly they(the Naat Khawans) have a right to ask what they want Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuNo, its not permissable acording to shariah to demand money for reciting naat.
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Post by sajjad dar ashrafi on Mar 2, 2009 11:16:31 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Well if you are not happy with the Naath Khawans apparently demanding money you should not go to see them
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Post by fatma on Mar 2, 2009 21:37:39 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
it's not permissable for naat khwans to ask for money to recite naat as they are reading something out of their love for Rasool Allah Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam and they shouldn't ask for anything and neither should they expect it. (my hubby's view)
but saying that you as a good muslim should pay them for their trouble if you called them as then you know that you have called them to something which maybe they would not have attended. maybe they would have been at work instead at that time earning a living for their family.
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Post by E P N on Mar 2, 2009 22:30:03 GMT
It is haraam to demand or pay money for the recital of Quran e kareem and imamat. However the ulema allow wages to the imaams/moilvis for their "time"(which they give could have otherwise used to to do another job to feed their families),and not with intention of paying of Quran recital(in salaah too) or imamat per say. The moulvis still need to to earn for the upkeep of their families like anybody else. Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuA similar question was asked Hazrat SHAYKH-UL-ISLAM Wal Muslimeen; Hazrat's reply was just as brother Musafir has stated - We pay for their " TIME," it is what we expect to pay when using another's service - TIME! Back to brother Sajjad's original point of his thread and although commendable, I think it may have been wiser and correct to seek forgiveness from the man himself if possible? Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by E P N on Mar 2, 2009 22:30:42 GMT
Posted in error!!!
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Post by Naqshbandi on Mar 2, 2009 23:12:39 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa SallamWell if you are not happy with the Naath Khawans apparently demanding money you should not go to see them I dont! Simple! Never have never will. I never go to see a naat khwaan, going to see a shaykh/wali yes as that is a good act. I will only go to a mehfil of the prophet salla allahu alayhi wasalam. That day when Owais Qadri Saab came to blackburn, I went to remember the life of Peer Sayyad Naseer udeen Naseer Rehmatullahi alay. Even if we do go to see them, where does shariat say that if someone is doing something wrong you cannot go to see them? Or is that just your narrow minded opinion. Also as a brother has said, rather then posting it on here why dont you go and say to the brother himself?
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Post by sajjad dar ashrafi on Mar 4, 2009 14:57:18 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Because you were there when we both found out the truth (which was about 1 in the morning)and unlike you I admit my mistakes and dont make excuses
Inshallah if ALLAH TA ALLAH will in the future if ever meet him I will apologise
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Post by Naqshbandi on Mar 4, 2009 17:37:54 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa SallamBecause you were there when we both found out the truth (which was about 1 in the morning)and unlike you I admit my mistakes and dont make excuses Inshallah if ALLAH TA ALLAH will in the future if ever meet him I will apologise No we didnt find out the truth, we just heard how the situation was with one person. You have heard from that one person, however I have heard different things from different people. However I am not passing a judgement on any person. Mashallah Owais Qadri are doing great work for deen. However this goes to every single naat khwaan, that they must not make high demands of money for their naat khwaani, and not even the excuse of travel costs which normally have already been covered. However if they genuinely require a donation towards their travel cost, and are asking for a genuine amount to cover their costs and maybe for their time aswell then that is a different situation. However asking every mehfil to pay for your ticket from pakistan/india, is very spooky!
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Post by sajjad dar ashrafi on Mar 4, 2009 20:58:20 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
They can ask for what they want for how long they want, and like I said if someone is not happy with their demands then they should not go to their mehfils or invite them
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Post by sajjad dar ashrafi on Mar 4, 2009 21:00:03 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
The person who told me is more than enough proof for me to believe him and them other lot who told you I would not believe any thing they say(thats my personal opinion of them)
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Post by Naqshbandi on Mar 4, 2009 22:57:20 GMT
Nope you are wrong, they are not their mehfils, maybe if it was their URS or something I was going to then fair enough, however this is the milaad paak I go to of the Prophet salla allahu alayhi wasalam hence the reason I go, and not to listen to any person, however to hear the praise of the prophet salla allahu alayhi wasalam, dont know what intention you are going with, hence you are coming to that conclusion. Secondly if you have a personal vendetta with a group and dont believe them then that is your choice, I listen to both sides of the story and then pass a judgement. Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa SallamThey can ask for what they want for how long they want, and like I said if someone is not happy with their demands then they should not go to their mehfils or invite them And as stated previously, it is actually haram for them to demand money. And it is not about what you say, it is about what shariah says.
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Post by sajjad dar ashrafi on Mar 6, 2009 20:22:03 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Where does it say haram, you said it was and then the ulema said you could and like I said if you dont like it then dont go to their Mehfils
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Post by fatma on Mar 6, 2009 21:12:04 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhuright the topic was that brother sajjad was sorry for what he said and i'm sure everyone has understood that so could the two of you stop bickering as it's getting boring reading your little comments to each other. which honestly you two could do face to face or over the phone as you know each other so well stop spoiling the month of milaad for everyone and just let this thread be as it is. also instead of answering each other why not participate in the durood shareef thread? we still need a lot being read Durood Shareef threadJazakallah Khair. (don't take it personally and don't attack me either )
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Post by Naqshbandi on Mar 6, 2009 22:26:55 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa SallamWhere does it say haram, you said it was and then the ulema said you could and like I said if you dont like it then dont go to their Mehfils I have just answered your suggestion of me not going to their mehfils, and I was talking about the ulema which brother Musafir elaborated on further and explained for what they could take money for and what they couldnt, I shall try getting you a reference, if not then ask the Imam of the masjid, and dont ask any biased ones or ones who are for the money, ask the genuine ones!
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Post by sajjad dar ashrafi on Mar 6, 2009 23:26:26 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Ok sister Fatma I will not post any more comments on this post but would like 1 more post from brother Naqshband and that is the references of his argument, I will be waiting for it
PS see you on sunday
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Post by fatma on Mar 7, 2009 9:05:42 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhusorry brother i'm not planning on coming down there this sunday ;D
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Post by Musafir on Mar 7, 2009 13:50:47 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Lets put this little argument to bed please,as its annoying now.
As for Qari's,ulema and naatkhwaan demanding money for doing what they exel in(i.e. quran recital,ilmi speechs and naats shareef)specifically,then this is prohibitted,since one cannot charge for what is ibaadaat(acts of worship). This mentioned in Fatawa Razawuyah of Ala Hadrat muhaddith e brelwi Rahmatullahi 'alayh in a few places.
Although how they get around this is that they actually agree a fee for the time that they will give to the organiser of such a mehfil(who would act as their employer for that agreed time period that they spend in reciting). This is jaiz as permitted by scholars,as its seen as employment for a certain period(in which the specialists e.g.naatkhwaan,qari,could have earned elsewhere if not here at the mehfil,basically they are being compensated by payment for their time).
So i personally believe that these big naatkhwaan who have managers and representatives may not ask such a such a fee for the naat itself(which would be haraam) but rather may ask or agree a fee for the time they give to those inviting them(especialy those coming from abroad),of course this is only if they do ask for a fee in first place and i have heard from decent sources that fees do get mentioned,Allah knows best.
Simple rule:
Naat kwaan X charges/demands ....amount for recital only = Haraam.
Naatkhwaan Y charges/demands........ amount for time(type of employment) he gives to the organiser of mehfil(which would include him reciting naats within it) = Permissable.
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