Awans..........Are they Ahle bait?

[nida]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu


Awans in pakistan say that they are descendants of Hazrat Ali Radi Allahu anhu?

Can anyone confirm it?

If it is true then it means they are ahle bait and all sadqa zakat are haram for them.

Does anyone have any knowledge?

jazakallaha in anticipation

[Naqshbandi]

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Yes they are the Malak Awan cast who from the aulaad (lineage) of Hazrat Ali Shehr-e-Khuda Radi Allahu anhu, however they are not sayyads, as sayyads are only from the aulaad of Hazrat Fatima tuz Zahra Radi Allahu anha, in other words the family of the prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam...!

Now some people who are from Hazrat Ali Shehr-e-khuda Radi Allahu anhu's family are also being referred to as 'Sayyad', however the title 'Sayyad' although it wasn’t originaly only for aal-e-paak originally, but now-a-days it is reserved for the aal-e-paak, hence people calling their seniors or shaykhs as 'Sayyad' people assume that they are aal-e-paak, therefore most ulema will say that it is best that this title is reserved for aal-e-paak only.

[nida]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

All sayyids, and descendants of Hazrat Ali Radi Allahu anhu, hazrat jaffar Radi Allahu anhu and hazrat aqeel Radi Allahu anhu are also included in ahle bait. and sadqa zakat are haram for them.

Can anyone confirm it?

[Musafir]

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[nida]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

i wonder why did brother musafir deleted his post

[nida]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

PL. check it out if u can understand urdu

mufti.faizaneattar.net/Answer.php?Q=13260


Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

[ali0009]

Please view this, it will clear it all out

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZaXQSTs9a8&feature=rec-HM-rn

[Naqshbandi]

May 30, 2009 14:35:28 GMT ali0009 said:

Please view this, it will clear it all out

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZaXQSTs9a8&feature=rec-HM-rn

mashallah excellent!
Great explanation.

[nida]

May 30, 2009 14:35:28 GMT ali0009 said:

Please view this, it will clear it all out

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZaXQSTs9a8&feature=rec-HM-rn

jazakallaha brother

but

i am still confused because i am not asking about sayyids.
I am asking about descendants of hazrat Ali Radi Allahu anhu other than hassanain karameen.

If u know any thing, pl. let me know

I will be really thankful to u.

[fatma]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

i know this isn't really answering your question but i thought the other descendants of hazrat Ali Radi Allahu anhu are called alvi if they are not from hazrat fatima Radi Allahu anha

[nida]

May 30, 2009 20:07:21 GMT fatma said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

i know this isn't really answering your question but i thought the other descendants of hazrat Ali Radi Allahu anhu are called alvi if they are not from hazrat fatima Radi Allahu anha

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

yes, Some are called alvi and some are awan, i dont know what is the difference.

But i want to confirm are they ahle bayait because i dont want to be sinner by giving them any zakat etc. Because i have heard that if somebody will do this intentionally, he/she will commit a haram action because zakat/sadqa is haram for ahle bayait.

that is why, i am more conscious

[anees786]

May 29, 2009 17:01:36 GMT nida said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

All sayyids, and descendants of Hazrat Ali Radi Allahu anhu, hazrat jaffar Radi Allahu anhu and hazrat aqeel Radi Allahu anhu are also included in ahle bait. and sadqa zakat are haram for them.

Can anyone confirm it?

Wa Alaykum Salaam.

I heard this aswell from a speech done by Mufti Ansar ul Qadri. He said that the family of Abbas ibn Abdul Muttalib, Ali ibn Abi Talib, Aqeel with two others which i dont remeber are included in the ahle bait and therefore are syed. This was done at the urs of Nausha Ganj Baksh Rahmatullah Alaih.

Syed Nausha Ganj Baksh Qadri were from the family of Abbas ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib. Both Mufti Ansar ul Qadri and Pir Syed Irfan Shah Mashadi clarified that Syed Nausha Ganj Baksh were syed and therefore Pir Syed Maroof Hussain Arif Naushahi are also sayyid.

[ali0009]

There are number of opinions on the issue :

-- Al-Razi, al-Tafsir al-Kabir (6:615):

"Explanations have differed concerning the 'Ahl al-Bayt' but the most appropriate and correct is to say they are his children and wives; al-Hasan and al-Husayn being among them and `Ali being among them..."

-- Al-Khazin, Lubab al-Ta'wil fi Ma`ani al-Tanzil (3:490):

"They [Ahl al-Bayt] are the wives of the Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam because they are in his house." Then he mentions other two explanations, namely, that they are the `Itra or that they are the families of `Ali, `Aqil, Ja`far, and al-`Abbas."

-- Al-Baydawi, Anwar al-Tanzil (4:374):

"The Shi`a's claim that verse 33:33 is specific to Fatima, `Ali, and their two sons - Allah be well-pleased with them - ... and their adducing it as proof of their immunity from sin (`ismat) and of the probative character of their consensus, is weak, because restricting the meaning to them is not consistent with what precedes the verse and what follows it. The thread of speech means that they are part of the Ahl al-Bayt, not that others are not part of it also."

-- Al-Shawkani, Fath al-Qadir (4:278-280) and al-Mubarakfuri, Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi
(9:48-49):

"A third group stands midway between the two and includes both [the wives and the `Itra]... A number of the verifying authorities consider this the most correct explanation, among them al-Qurtubi, Ibn Kathir, and others."

-- Al-Wahidi, al-Wajiz fi Tafsir al-Kitab al-`Aziz (2:865):

"Ahl al-Bayt [in 33:33] meaning, the wives of the Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam and the men [and women] of the People of his House."

-- Ibn Jama`a, Ghurar al-Tibyan fi Ma lam Yusamma fi al-Qur'an (p. 421 #1201):

"Ahl al-Bayt in verse 33 are the Prophet and his wives. It was also said they are `Ali, Fatima, al-Hasan, and al-Husayn, and it was also said they are those for whom sadaqa is unlawful [i.e. Al `Aqil, Al `Ali, Al Ja`far, and Al al-`Abbas]."

-- Al-Zarkashi, al-Burhan fi `Ulum al-Qur'an (2:197): "The phrasing of the Qur'an [in Surat al-Ahzab] shows that the wives are meant, that the verses were revealed concerning them, and that it is impossible to exclude them from the meaning of the verse. However, since others were to be included with them it was said with the masculine gender: {Allah desires to remove uncleanness far from you [masculine plural], O Folk of the Household}. It is then known that this desire comprises all the Folk of the Household - both male and female - "

-- Abu al-Su`ud, Irshad al-`Aql al-Salim ila Mazaya al-Qur'an al-Karim (7:103):

"This [33:33], as you see, is an explicit verse and a radiant proof that the wives of the Prophet - Allah bless and greet him - are among the People of his House (min Ahli Baytihi), ruling once and for all the invalidity of the opinion of the Shi`is who narrow it to mean only Fatima, `Ali, and their two sons - Allah be well-pleased with them. As for what they claim as their proof [hadith of the Mantle], it only shows that they [the Four] are part of Ahl al-Bayt, not that other than them are excluded."

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The first two are most widely accpted i think, as brother also stated above.

Regards
Wasalam

[nida]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

jazakallaha brothers for your replies.

Now,

It is confirmed that Ale Ali Radi Allahu anhu are included in ahle bait and so zakat/sadqa is unlawful (haraam) for them.

Thanks very much

[Naqshbandi]

May 30, 2009 21:33:13 GMT anees786 said:

May 29, 2009 17:01:36 GMT nida said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

All sayyids, and descendants of Hazrat Ali Radi Allahu anhu, hazrat jaffar Radi Allahu anhu and hazrat aqeel Radi Allahu anhu are also included in ahle bait. and sadqa zakat are haram for them.

Can anyone confirm it?

Wa Alaykum Salaam.

I heard this aswell from a speech done by Mufti Ansar ul Qadri. He said that the family of Abbas ibn Abdul Muttalib, Ali ibn Abi Talib, Aqeel with two others which i dont remeber are included in the ahle bait and therefore are syed. This was done at the urs of Nausha Ganj Baksh Rahmatullah Alaih.

Syed Nausha Ganj Baksh Qadri were from the family of Abbas ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib. Both Mufti Ansar ul Qadri and Pir Syed Irfan Shah Mashadi clarified that Syed Nausha Ganj Baksh were syed and therefore Pir Syed Maroof Hussain Arif Naushahi are also sayyid.

Nope brother, the family of Ghazi Abbas Alamdar, including all other family of Hazrat Ali Shehr-e-Khuda Radi Allahu anhu, which are not from Mother Fatima tuz Zahra Radi Allahu anha are not Sayyad.

Sayyads are just from Hasnain Kareemain Radi Allahu anhu, please view video of Dr tahirul Qadri sahib.

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

[anees786]

Qanoon-e-Shariat written by Qazi Shamsuddin Jafri states:

'It is not permissible for one to give Zakat to Bani Hashim. The term Bani Hashim stands for the descendants of Hazrat Ali, Hazrat Ja'far and Aqeel, Hazrat Haris ibn Muttalib.'

(Alamgeeree, Raddul Mukhtar, etc.)

[anees786]

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[Shiraz Ashrafi]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

A Sayyad is someone who has

Nabi Ka Noor Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Ali ka Khoon Radi Allahu anhu
Fatima ka dhood Radi Allahu anha

[ali0009]

May 30, 2009 22:22:36 GMT nida said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

jazakallaha brothers for your replies.

Now,

It is confirmed that Ale Ali Radi Allahu anhu are included in ahle bait and so zakat/sadqa is unlawful (haraam) for them.

Thanks very much

You should still ask some scholar.

[Musafir]

May 30, 2009 10:47:09 GMT nida said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

i wonder why did brother musafir deleted his post

This is a very complicated masala in our day and age and not as simple as what i had assumed.

Especially as most Awans cant prove through proper shijra evidence of themselves actually being alawi(Aulad e ali),most just go by what their father/forefathers have told them throuigh word of mouth or by possible assumption.

only the sayyeds have really preserved their ancestory through carefully recorded shijras,whereas the rest of banu hashim is hard to prove(not saying they dont exhist or anything).

The 2 ulema spoke too are both awans themselves yet they say that awans are allowed to take zakah/or do take it.(but they arent very big scholars so do not take their word for it).

I have asked for it to be a put to a very eminant mufti,i will let you know what the answer is for this day and age of uncertainty.