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Post by Saalik on Apr 17, 2008 18:54:46 GMT
Brothers, salaam aliequm Allah has given us a brain, quran and sunnah, HE knows that we will fall into shaitan or nafs tricks. The biggest thing for nafs is me, myself, I that where we get into trouble, then we don’t listen anyone, accept anything, even the knowledge Allah has given to us destroyed by our proudness, the biggest example is Iblees or mirza ghulam ahmad. I pray Allah give hadyat to me and everyone amen. Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahim Iblees showed disrespect to Sayyidinah Adam Alayhis Salaam and he was banned and became the accursed. By writing SAW instead of Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam you are being more disrespectful than the accursed iblees. Write the required respects to all the Blessed Names as well. When you logged in did you not received a pop up message about it. You are hereby being given hidaayat to follow the following Hadith Shareef. There are more on the link below, read and act upon them first instead of giving more priority to the person (whoever he may be) you are defending:- ashraf786.proboards15.com/index.cgi?board=prophets&action=display&thread=12260&page=1* Hazrat Abu Hasan Ali bin Attar says: " I got some written parts of Ahadith from Abu Tahir , and noticed that he wrote with every Name of the Beloved Prophet : 'May Allah send His Blessings upon Him, a foregranted peace in large number, in large number, in large number.'I asked him the reason of writting in that manner. He said, "I used to write Hadith in my youth. Once I dreamt that I paid a visit to the Beloved Prophet , I offered salaam to Him, but He turned His Face from me. I went to the other side and again offered salaam and He again turned His Face to the next side. When I came for the third time to His side I asked why He was turning His Face from me." The Beloved Prophet said, "Why do you not write Darood with My Name in your book?" Since then I started to write the following Darood with His Name." (Badi')'May Allah send His Blessings upon Him, a foregranted peace in large number, in large number, in large number.'
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Post by qadir on Apr 17, 2008 19:35:01 GMT
Look mr,shakeel you are trying to avoid my question by mixing up other things. the problem with you is lack of understanding of islam.1st of all sheikh amin is not a sufi saint he is not even a Muslim he is a misled who spoke lie about Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam and this is not a miner think which a Muslim can ignore.sheikh amin is a liar and a lair cannot be a sufi sheikh He is a fitna and our master Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam’s order is to crush fitna. Do you agree or not? Did sheikh amin not said in the audio clip that Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam) said about himself that not much possession over spiritual knowledge is under his reach." (ma'azAllah)? Tell me yes or no. Had he not said that mehmood ul hasan’s book is Knowledge of sea, neither a friend of Allah can understand it nor a Prophet so it is not disrespect of hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam? What do you personally believe that mehmood ulhasan deobandis was more knowledgeable than any Prophit? If you say no then you should have ask sheikh amin that why did he say so in the audio clip. Sheikh amin even showed no respect for shabas even,he said not all sahibs but some shabas were munafiq what he said is (golmol baat karte hain ke shaba munafiq thay,,,,,munafiq thay likin wo shaba to munfiq nahi thay jin ka naam liya giya ha) Do you think shabas were munafiq? If you say no, then you must ask this so-called peer that why he called some sahabs munafiq? Now I have given you some details of sheikh amin’s aqeeda if you think that a person who hold this kind of beliefs can be called a muslim? Again I request you to bring the reference of the hadis when Master (Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam) said about himself that not much possession over spiritual knowledge is under his reach." (ma'azAllah) Pls dont ran away and answer my questions to the point.dont try to go away from the main issue. Islam teach us to fight fitnas and sheikh amin is fitna too.if you don’t accept it then kindly brink the proof and again answer my question to the point.
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Post by mustafabhai on Apr 18, 2008 19:02:41 GMT
Shakeel sahib. At a quick glance I can see Sulah-e-Kullism (as expected).
Look, answer me this only... why does Shaykh Amin oppose Shia sects? Is this not disunity? Is this not a sort of fight? Will the "ummah" not get hurt with the sayings of Amin sahib?
aik tarf keh rahe hain "kisi ko bura bhala na kahain" doosri taraf "shion se, mirzaiyon se, agha khanion se dilli muhabbat na rakhain"
You should explain this... And 1 more thing, defend you peer sahib by answering the questions raised with Quran and Sunnah... Rest whatever you will say will not be counted as a "reply".
Mustafa Ali...
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Post by Abid Ali Hussain on Apr 18, 2008 22:43:36 GMT
why dont idi amin stop saying bad things himself then i am sure everyone else will stop
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Post by shakeel1968 on Apr 19, 2008 5:56:00 GMT
Brothers, salaam aliequm
You are right I have lack of knowledge, I accept that. I am human and all humans are in Khasara according to surah al-asar. According to Quran we are argumentative, impatient and week.
Iblees was very knowledgeable Jinn, so he got level closer to angles because of his knowledge and prayers, but look what happened to him, where is he proud and misleading people. Mirza ghulam ahmad was a knowledgeable person what happened to him.
I pray to Allah please keep me away from that knowledge: Which divide Muslims from each other. Which create hatred between Muslims. Which makes me proud and destroy. Which make me to show off people and try to mislead them. Which create back biting.
I am not going away from the topic and not running away, but I am Muslim and don¡¦t want argues because Allah don¡¦t like argumentative people. That what I am trying to explain that sheitan always try to create issues and involve in arguments and people divided.
About sahabi¡¦s:
What is the meaning of sahabah? Who accepted Islam by Muhammad (saw) or saw or met Muhammad (saw) as Muslim and Muhammad (saw) looked at him. Now what is the meaning of Munafiq (hippocrate)? A person who lives in you act like you, obeys you, show that he/she is your friend and one of you, But actually by heart that person is your enemy.
Once Muhammad (saw) gave a list of some munafiqs to a sahabah. Umar Radi Allahu anhu went to that shabah and asked him can you tell me if my name is in that list, he replied, No.¡¨.
Why umar Radi Allahu anhu went to ask him, because that list was about some Munafiq sahabis, they were sahabi but actually by heart they were Muslims enemy, morning with Muslims and evening with kufar-e-Mekkah, even they have build a mosque close to medina and at night they use to go there and plan against Muhammad (saw) and their actions. so Allah revealed this in Quran and Muhammad (saw) created a list of Munafiqs and burned that Mosque.
There were some people they accepted islam and become sahabah, but they were munafiq. The biggest name was musalama qazaab. He accepted Islam by Muhammad (saw), when Muhammad (saw) use to address, he always stood up and announce, oh people He is Muhammad (saw) the rasool of Allah listen to him carefully. But he was a leader of munafiq. But he was sahabi. The definition I have mentioned above about sahabi is he was acting like that, all shabis knows that he is a sahabi, only Muhammad (saw) knew that he is munafiq and there were some munafiq Muslims with him to destroy islam. But they were under the umbrella of sahabi category, according to sahabi definition.
Once Muhammad (Saw) stood up said, ¡§asked me anything I will answer, few people asked about past, future and Muhammad (saw) answered them, one sahabi asked can you tell me where I will be after death heaven or hell, Muhammad(saw) replied, Hell. That sahabi was one of munafiq¡¦s¡¨.
No one like loyal shabis after prophets. No one can become a sahabi with million years of ibadat. I respect all shabis. No one can be like them.
Few days ago Pakistani government release one prison from Pakistani jail, he was an Indian spy, living in Pakistan and act like an imam of a mosque long time ago. He was acting like a Muslim, praying five times in the mosque etc but he was a sikh and spy, actually he was a munafiq, but we thought he was a Muslim masjid imam and Pakistani.
There were few kafirs living with in medina they accpeted islam and act like sahabis, but they were munafiq¡¦s. that what sheikh amen is referencing.
About knowledge:
Khizar alayhis 'salam said to musa alayhis 'salam, ¡§yours and mine knowledge is like taking a drop from this sea, means nothing all sea is still their¡¨. Knowledge is like a deep sea no one can go their, only Allah knows all knowledge and after Allah Muhammad (saw) knows what has gave him.
You are right I have lack of knowledge, I accept that. But here are 3 kinds of knowledge. One is worldly knowledge, second is revealed knowledge like Quran and third is milla duni knowledge. Allah has mentioned in Quran about this knowledge. The third kind of knowledge Allah gives to whom he wants, mostly walli Allah and Mesheikhs bestowed with this knowledge.
There are 4 holy books, and few books about hadees, but there are lots of books about walli Allah¡¦s life and their daily actions, their dreams about knowledge, dreams about acquiring knowledge from Muhammad (saw) or mushahidas.
Each walli Allah has his own level and connection with Nabi Pak (saw). That knowledge is not in hadees books. Right this minute there will be lots of walli Allahs or sheikhs are having mushahidas and will be in Muhammad (saw) darbar and learning lots from there. That level is very high, we cannot understand but we start pointing finger at them.
Walli Allah or sheikhs stay in the darbar of Muhammad (saw) and learn from them, many walli Allah¡¦s are not even educated but there direct source is nabi pak (saw). Sometimes words come out from walli Allah¡¦s or sheikh¡¦s mouth unwillingly and Allah judge us (listeners) by those words.
Yes, I heared audio clip and I heard that sheikh Ameen mentioned about that saying of Muhammad (saw) that ¡§once Muhammad (saw) said about himself that ¡§Marafat ka ilm meray bhi aboor main itna naheen atta¡¨.
What it means? It means that Allah is a creator and Muhammad (saw) is creation. The most loving and dear creation of Allah.
Allah has the divine knowledge of everything and Muhammad (saw) has the knowledge given by Allah, only what Allah wants. But it is sure that Muhammad (saw) has the most knowledge of everything but after Allahs, but Allah has the divine knowledge of everything. So Muhammad (saw) knowledge is given by Allah, it has a limit. Here is one hadees about qayamat:
Muhammad (saw) said, ¡§at the day of judgment Allah will teach (sikhaey ga) me some his dear names and I will praise Allah with those words¡K..¡¨
It means Allah will TEACH, what is the meaning of teach? I don¡¦t need to tell you. Because I have a lack of knowledge ƒº
I understand the love of Muhammad (saw), we love him. Do we really love him, actually we DON¡¦T. we lie for love. But we still back bit, hate each other, a true follower of Muhammad (saw) will never back bit and try to humilate other Muslims¡K¡K. May Allah fogive us, ameen.
About ghause:
Before I write something about ghause, I would ask you brothers to listen dr, tahir ul qaderi lecture about ghause. Each company or military has levels or assigned positions for people according to their responsibilities. Allah has assigned reposibilities to angles according to their levels. Same way in this world in marifat or tasawaf has levels and positions according to their responsibilities. All walli Allah¡¦s or mesheikhs has levels assigned to them like military. walli Allah is a general word for these people. There are walli Allah¡¦s, qalandars, abdals, qutaab. Here is something for your knowledge Qutaab is the last final level of designation assigned by who I need don¡¦t to tell you. It is too much for you to digest. There are always few Qutaab¡¦s in this world accordingly to their needs, may be 3 or 5 or 7. Who ever is the senior most in these Qutaabs, becomes a leader of them. People started calling him as ghause. It is NOT an official designation in marafat or tasawaf.
Sheikh Ameen said, ¡§there are no ghause but people are just making them, He is correct, he is talking about the designation as marifat. Marifat designation stops at Qutaab.
That what dr. Tahir-ul-qadri mentioned in his speech that in marifat designation stops at Qutaab, there are no official marifat designations, but people started calling the senior most qutaab as ghause as nick name. That is correct there are NO ghause. We use as nick name. that what Sheikh Ameen refers too as official designation.
If you disagree with someone or don¡¦t like them, please don¡¦t create hatred about them, because Alllah and Muhammad (saw) did not allow you that duty, I would suggest fix yourself first.
I don¡¦t care about shia, sunni, hanfi, breeelvi, deo bandi, maliki etc I believe as quran says, ¡§say I am Muslim¡¨ and as Muhammad (saw) said, I am Muslim¡¨. So I say I am Muslim. Nothing else. Yes I can see other imam¡¦s guidence in certain areas if I don¡¦t undersatnd.
I love all walli Allah¡¦s or meshaeikhs in past or present i respect them does not matter they were from deobandi, idreesia, sunni etc, but stick to only one.
Brothers, Keep the difference between Allah and Muhammad (saw) if Muhammad (saw) has all the knowledge then what Allah is doing, I don¡¦t want to go futher with this it can put us in kufar. i seek refuge in Allah,
That what christiens did when they see essa alayhis 'salam curing people, raising dead they started calling him son of God (tauba astagfar), but Muhammad (saw) stricktly prohibit that. Muhammad (saw) knows the knowledge (ilm) that what Allah has bestowed him.
Allah knows all marifats knowledge (ilm) and after Allah no one knows more then Muhammad (saw) that what Sheikh Ameen is refering.
Finally, wallli Allah¡¦s or mesheikhs ilm is consist of quran, sunnah and Milla-Dunni knowledge (ilm), quran and sunnah we know (verylittle, not even there deep meanings) but milla-dunni we don¡¦t.
Shia sect:
Sheikh Ameen does not oppose shia sect, he always says that shia believe in one Allah, Quran and Muhammad (saw) but Sheikh Ameen opposes their actions that shias developed and changed their qalmmah, way of prayers and shia call names to Abu baqar Radi Allahu anhu, Umar Radi Allahu anhu, that what he opposes and sheikh Ameen is correct because there is one qalmma-e-tauheed. One way of prayer what Muhammad (saw) thought us and sahabah Radi Allahu anhu followed that. Muhammad (saw) said about his sahabas, ¡§who keeps hatred with my sahabas, he keeps hatred with me (saw). it means shias keeping hatred with Muhammad (saw). Muhammad (saw) said, ¡§Allah has completed the deen and no one can take or add in it, it is like a day not night¡¨. So we cannot add anything in it that what sheikh Ameen opposes about shias that they added new bidats. But he prays for them too that Allah guide us all.
No father hates his childrens, he only hates their actions. Same way: Allah does not hate us HE does not like our actions and actions leads to wrong habits and wrong habits leads to wrong path and wrong path lead to hell and hell is Allah¡¦s anger.
I know you will ask me about Ahmadis too, yes they are commiting kufar, they misleaded. Allah forgive them and guide them with truth. Actually I have seen many Ahmadis coming back to real Muslim deen according to quran and sunnah. Allah guide all of us to the correct path, insha-Allah.
If I mentioned something incorrect then Allah please forgive me and if It is correct then Allah please keep me on straight path and forgive me and all Muslims. Allah knows the best.
Salaam aliequm Shakeel
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Post by Saalik on Apr 19, 2008 7:53:10 GMT
I understand the love of Muhammad (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam), we love him. Do we really love him, actually we DON¡¦T. we lie for love. But we still back bit, hate each other, a true follower of Muhammad (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam) will never back bit and try to humilate other Muslims¡K¡K. May Allah (Subhaanahu Wa Ta'ala) fogive us, ameen. First act upon what you hypocritically try to preach. If the least respect you don't have for Sayidinah Muhammad Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam, then all that you are trying to say only to justify the disrespect of the one whom you are following, is a pure sign of your hypocrisy. We all know that Spiritual Knowlege is from Allah Subhaanahu Wa Ta'ala and that He gives to Whom He wills among His Chosen Servants, but we don't stoop to the level of Kaafirs and Munafiq who comments on verses of the Qura'an Shareef according to their low level of understanding in an attempt to belittle the already High Status of our Beloved Nabi Sayidinah Muhammad Mustapha Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam. This is a total lack of respect and is severely comdemnable. Even after informing you about the necessity of writing Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam instead of SAW, you have again preferred to stick to your arrogance and obey your nafs.
This proves that your vain attempts to defend another disrespectful person is more dearer to you than showing respect to Allah Subhaanahu Wa Ta'alaa, Sayidinah Muhammad Mustapha Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam, the Ambiya Alaihimus Salaam, the Sahabas Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhum and the Awliyah Rahmatullahu Alayhim.
The first person who really need to read and understand what you write is only you as it reflects yourself.
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Post by qadir on Apr 19, 2008 8:57:34 GMT
i wish i you knew the definition of a shabi?a shabi is is a person who saw Nabi paak (pbuh) bring iman and died as a muslim.no hippocrate can be called a sahabi. your sheikh dose not even know the definition of a sahabi and by writinf sahabis munafiq you and your sheikh have shown desrespact for the sahab of our beloved Prophit Mohammad (pbuh) again you are failed to answer my question did you bring the reference of the hadis where Nabi paak (pbuh) said about himself that not much possession over spiritual knowledge is under his reach." (ma'azAllah)? Tell me yes or no. why you dont bring the proof of it?trust me you are siding a person who lied about Nabi paak (pbuh) so it is clear that you have more love for your ghustakh sheikh amin than our Beloved Prophet (pbuh) pls remember that you are here to proof that sheikh amin is true sufi so tell me if he true sufi then why he lied ?if you think he did not lie then kindly bring the reference of the hadis? there is lot to say about your last post but it is no use till you bring the reference of the hadis if you cant then admit it that sheikh amin lied. im not going to let you go with out answering this question.what ever you say my demand is to proof that in wich hadis is can we find (Nabi paak)ne apnay motaliq bi kaha tha ke marfat ka ilm meray aboor mein bi itna nahi ata) pls come to the point and dont ignore my question why dont you bring the answer of it? if you dont bring the reference then what should i call you ? and mind munafiqen are not in the list of sahabs. any way this the time you must come with the reference of the hadis i hope your next post will be with the reference of the hadis.Allah ka wasta ha os hadis ka hawala lay kar post kar do ya maan loo ke sheikh amin jhoota ha.
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Post by Saalik on Apr 19, 2008 10:41:01 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
This thread needs to locked or deleted as both parties ( shakeel1968 & qadir) seem to be more interested in giving priority to their personal discussions than showing the convenient written respects to the Blessed Names.The forum rules is clear on the Etiquettes of Posting:- ashraf786.proboards15.com/index.cgi?board=guest&action=display&thread=4962
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Post by shar786 on Oct 17, 2008 20:48:55 GMT
How can you say these kind of things if you have never been to Sheikh Amin or even been to one of his mefal's. I am a follower of Sheikh Amin, but i have never been to Multan to go to his mefal. Inshallah i will go in the nearby future.
You have no right to say things like this.
Only Allah can judge us. NOT YOU
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Post by sajjad dar ashrafi on Oct 18, 2008 14:35:19 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
shar786 no one on this forum had even heard of this Shaykh before brother qadir talked about them, why would he come on this forum and say these things about the Shaykh and saying only ALLAH TA ALLAH can judge you sounds a bit dodgy, why would you want to say that
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Post by omar1 on Nov 25, 2008 8:15:53 GMT
Look mr,shakeel you are trying to avoid my question by mixing up other things. the problem with you is lack of understanding of islam.1st of all sheikh amin is not a sufi saint he is not even a Muslim he is a misled who spoke lie about Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam and this is not a miner think which a Muslim can ignore.sheikh amin is a liar and a lair cannot be a sufi sheikh He is a fitna and our master Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam’s order is to crush fitna. Do you agree or not? Did sheikh amin not said in the audio clip that Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam) said about himself that not much possession over spiritual knowledge is under his reach." (ma'azAllah)? Tell me yes or no. Had he not said that mehmood ul hasan’s book is Knowledge of sea, neither a friend of Allah can understand it nor a Prophet so it is not disrespect of hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam? What do you personally believe that mehmood ulhasan deobandis was more knowledgeable than any Prophit? If you say no then you should have ask sheikh amin that why did he say so in the audio clip. Sheikh amin even showed no respect for shabas even,he said not all sahibs but some shabas were munafiq what he said is (golmol baat karte hain ke shaba munafiq thay,,,,,munafiq thay likin wo shaba to munfiq nahi thay jin ka naam liya giya ha) Do you think shabas were munafiq? If you say no, then you must ask this so-called peer that why he called some sahabs munafiq? Now I have given you some details of sheikh amin’s aqeeda if you think that a person who hold this kind of beliefs can be called a muslim? Again I request you to bring the reference of the hadis when Master (Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam) said about himself that not much possession over spiritual knowledge is under his reach." (ma'azAllah) Pls dont ran away and answer my questions to the point.dont try to go away from the main issue. Islam teach us to fight fitnas and sheikh amin is fitna too.if you don’t accept it then kindly brink the proof and again answer my question to the point.
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Post by Shiraz Ashrafi on Nov 25, 2008 21:50:00 GMT
OK, no point this thread being opened all over again, therefore its locked
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