Recognize Kharjis/Nasibis between Sunnis

[ahlesunnah]

Ali0009 , I won't even bother responding to an (inappropriate comment removed) like yourself.

Do us all a favor and learn some manners.

[ahlesunnah]

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[Naqshbandi]

Nov 15, 2009 15:29:20 GMT ali0009 said:

Nov 15, 2009 11:29:00 GMT shamshuddin said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

it is a grave sin for people to label others as khariji monsters. moderators please take note.

And its not a grave sin to call sunni alim a Shia? I hope you didnt get your education from a school with no chairs and tables?

Brother Ali009:

Brother Shamsuddin came late to this post hence he couldnt see what comments had been made by the previous brother against Shaykh Sayyad Ninowy mada zil hul aali.

But what he did see was you labeling the brother as a kharji, which you havent denied that it was also wrong.
You must have heard the saying 'Two wrongs dont make a right'.
So you are very hypocritical for telling the brother off for his labeling by little judgement of an alim, yet doing the same against him.
You then went on to make personal attacks against the brother 'ahlesunnah'.
Also when brother Shamsuddin came into the discussion to calm things down you made indirect personal attacks there too
"I hope you didnt get your education from a school with no chairs and tables?"

Brother this is totally wrong, we all get heated at times and sometimes even I am guilty of doing that but I have now learnt from my mistakes hence I am asking you also to please stop this nonesense. It doesnt suit this forum, and makes it very unpleasant for members like myself to come on when things like this keep going on.

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On the other hand brother Ahlesunnah:

What you hear about shaykh Sayyad Ninowy mada zil hul aali is what you heard, no sunni alim-e-deen has passed a fatwa against him that we are aware off. Even then this forum doesnt like to engage in slandering of scholars, you was wrong initially for all this to build up. You should not say anything until researched.

I think you had realised your fault, but maybe the heat of this thread has made you delete your account, which is very sad.
I would like to ask you if you are reading this to come back to this forum by re-registering, and if you want to discuss in a nice way then surely mods will let you, or better still you have apologised so just let it go and come back to the forum to participate constructively rather then destructively.

Jazakallahu khayrun

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

[ahlesunnah]

Dear brother Naqshbandi, as-Salamu `alaykum:

I have made full tahqiq which has led me to my belief on Dr. Muhammad bin Yahya al-Ninowy from his own letters.

Thus, my research is not baseless. As such, I have re-created my account for usage.

Wassalam

[Saalik]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

This thread was not let open for continued verbal abuse but for positive discussions. Brother Ali0009, though the Brother is wrong in his aim and view he wouldn't have retaliated likewise if he wasn't abused verbally, so please be moderate in your response to him and other members too. A single wrong response is most of the times the cause of threads turning into a platform of hate and much more.

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It would be better and informative for all if the definition and characteristics of "tafdili shi`as" are provided instead of being used singularly and randomly.

[ali0009]

The actual words of Shaykh Ninowy are posted above. As brother Naqshbandi has said, there is no fatwa against the shaykh, so kharjis can continue to spread hate against Shaykh Ninoway, because frankly speaking, their problem is not with him, their Problem is with Prophet Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam himself.


Recently a group of brothers have waged a campaign of hate and slander towards huzur Mufakir e islam and Hazrat syed yahya ninowy and many other Ulama with the most heinous slander. May Allah guide them and show them the way of Rasul Allah(sallalahu alayhi wa aalihi wasallam). they have followed the way of the dutch man who made the film 'fitna' with out of context 20 second snippets with deliberate omissions of before and after.



The reason for calling him a shia is because Shaykh Al-Ninowy said:

" the only way to become a Wali, is through the Door of loving Ali alayhis 'salam"



Ps brother naqshbandi, i have no regret in calling a kharji with his true title, since such tricks are only used by kharji minded 'sunnis' who are found in abundance. Thats what Shaykh Ninowy is telling us above in his video above, and thats what this thread is about - how to recoganize them.

[Saalik]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu


No personal slanderous comment on Shaykh Ninowy (Damat Barkatuhumul Aliya) or any other Sunni Scholars who are on Haq will be tolerated. Discuss but with respect to the rules of the forum.

[iaa]

The reason for calling him a shia is because Shaykh Al-Ninowy said:

" the only way to become a Wali, is through the Door of loving Ali alayhis 'salam"

No it is not. It is his stated views on the afzaliyat of Hazrat Abu Bakkar Siddique Radi Allahu anhu and comments attributed to him regarding Hazrat Amir e Muawiya Radi Allahu anhu.

Labelling anyone who raises an aqeedah valid point as kharji is the practice of the shia and shouldn't be used without evidence.

[ali0009]

Nov 16, 2009 10:19:51 GMT iaa said:

It is his stated views on the afzaliyat of Hazrat Abu Bakkar Siddique Radi Allahu anhu and comments attributed to him regarding Hazrat Amir e Muawiya Radi Allahu anhu

Labelling anyone who raises an aqeedah valid point as kharji is the practice of the shia and shouldn't be used without evidence.

Muslims throughout history have been victimized by heedless scholars whose cognitive self bear more affinity towards earthly means than Islamic values. These individuals are a reality even today and they regularly infect Muslim minds with venomous doctrines based on ill-founded figments of their imagination.




Imam ibn hajar al asqalani Radi Allahu anhu a shia as per you'r rules? Imam Hassan alayhis 'salam a shia? Hazrat Salman Farsi a shia? Why dont you ask you'r mullah to issue a fatwa - declaring them and all other sahaba e karam who considere'd Maula Ali as greatest - shia.

- Imam Ibn Haj’ar Al-Asqalani in his book : Shar’h Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol. 13, page 67, said: “It is an established fact that all those who fought against Ali alayhis 'salam were Transgressors”.


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Your arguments are nothing but gas, and ONLY kharjis have the habit of labeling sunni scholars as shia. Your kinds have always been refuted, my friend.

[iaa]

Ali009

Do you believe that Mowla Ali Radi Allahu anhu is greater in
rank i.e 'afzal' than Hazrat Abu Bakkar Siddique Radi Allahu anhu?

Because all those who hold this view are regarded by Sunni scholars as tafzili Shia. This is the view held by A'la Hazrat Imam Ahmed Raza Radi Allahu anhu and all other mainstream sunni scholars today.

[Sag E Dargah E Jilani]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Many people considered Hazrat Ali Alayhis salam as more afzal after Nabi E Kareem Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam. Amounst them are:

Hazrat Abu Huraira
- Hazrat Salman Farsi
- Hazrat Mikdat
- Hazrat Zaid Bin Arkam
- Hazrat Abu Said Khuzri
- Hazrat Abuzar Ghefari
- Hazrat Jabir Ibne Abullah Ansari
- Hazrat Amar Yasir
- Hazrat Hassan Bin Tabit
- Hazrat Abu Aswat Dholi
- Hazrat Imam Zayd ash shaheed ibne Ali ibne Hussain ibne Ali
- Hazrat Imam Malik
- Hazrat Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal
- Hazrat Sheikh Shahab-ul-Din Suharwardi
- Hazrat Abdul Rehman Jami

Ridwanullah Tala Ajmaeen.

Also a great scholar who just left us and did purda to. A lion of Gaus E Azam. Hazrat Qibla Peer Syed Naseeruddin Naseer Rahmatullahi 'alayh.

Ala Hazrat Barieely Rahmatullahi 'alayh was not only the sunni scholars.

[Sister Nomee]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Sadly the afziliyat issue is not something we should be debating and falling out upon, there are various opinions by various Scholars on this and we must respect and honour that.

Forum rules have been breached, many personal/slanderous comments have been made, this forum is not a platform to Slander Sunni Scholars and debate matters from other websites.

JazakAllah everyone for your input.

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[Shiraz Ashrafi]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

I would just like to add, we are not allowed to discuss the issues of afzaliyat, Hazrat Shaykh Ul Islam have said the Sahaba Ikraam's status is so high that scholars dont have the authority to take sides, we respeect everyones opinions but please do not discuss the matters of Afzaliyat here, or try to take sides, this dispute goes back to the blessed Sahaba Ikraam and we are not even worthy of kissing the ground that they walk on.

If you think Hazrat Abu Bakar Sadeeq Radi Allahu anhu are more afzal or if you think Maula Ali Sher E Khuda alayhis 'salam are more afzal, keep your opinons to yourself.