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Post by ali0009 on Sept 8, 2009 9:57:09 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu روى ابن قانع القاضي ، عن أبي الحمراء قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم : لما أسري بي إلى السماء إذا على العرش مكتوب : لا إله إلا الله ، محمد رسول الله ، أيدته بعلي Rasul Allah(Sallallaho alayhi wa aalihi wasallam) says that on Mi'raaj He(Sallallaho alaihi wa aalihi wassallam) saw written on the Arsh 'There is no God but Allah, Mohammed is the Messenger of Allah, I(swt) helped Him(S) with Ali(A)This hadith is written by Hazrat Qadhi ayyadh maliki in his famous book "as-shifa", In volume 11: The virtues of Ali, Muttaqi Hindi. Also by Imam Tabarani and Hafez Al-Haithami. - KARAM YA ALI WE NEED YOUR HELP
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Post by Sayyad Ayaz on Sept 8, 2009 14:53:50 GMT
'There is no God but Allah, Mohammed is the Messenger of Allah, I(swt) helped Him(S) with Ali(A) [/size] [/b][/center][/size][/quote] brother i did understand that. . can u give little detail about this
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Post by Saracen on Sept 8, 2009 22:53:58 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Jazakallah khairun for sharing, may Allah (azza wa jall) reward you immensly for your efforts.
As Sayyad Sahib has requested please could you kindly give more details about this, Jazakallah khairun
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Post by ali0009 on Sept 8, 2009 23:37:20 GMT
What details you guys need about the hadith? Aint everything self-explanatory? Regards Wasalam
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Post by Saracen on Sept 9, 2009 0:03:04 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
The bit i need explaining further is the bit ' I(swt) helped Him(S) with Ali(A) '. Jazakallah Khairun.
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Post by ali0009 on Sept 9, 2009 0:45:45 GMT
The hadith tells us that Prophet Pbuh saw the above line written over the Arsh. The line says " I (Allah) helped him (Prophet) with Ali (the cousin of Prophet).
Maula Ali alayhis 'salam used to be with Prophet Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam since childhood as his most trusted helper and companion. The famous incidents where Hazrat Ali alayhis 'salam helped Prophet Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam are battles and the incident of Migration etc. Hope it helps. I still dont know whats so hard to get.
Allah Almighty has recoganized Maula Ali alayhis 'salam as the helper of Prophet as thats what the above hadith is telling us. Reading a brief life history of Maula e Kainaat, Hazrat Ali alayhis 'salam will explain the above hadith very well.
Regards Wasalam
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Post by Saalik on Sept 9, 2009 2:45:47 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
For some time now I have been reminding some of our regular posters the need for the correct respectful terms - full use of the Darood Shareef when mentioning our Most Beloved Prophet Hadrat Muhammad Mustafa (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam). We have had a tendency to abbreviate the Darood to initials like S.A.W. or .S.A.A.W ?
I have been guilty of this in the past and will endeavour to correct this on the website during given time. We must not be greedy and lazy in shortening our affection for our Most Beloved Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala alayhi wa Sallam) and in our worship and praise of Allah Almighty (Subhanahu wa Ta'ala).
Instead of (saw) - (pbuh) we must always write : (Salla Allahu ta'ala alayhi wa Sallam) or (Peace and Blessings be upon him) or other appropiate or suitable words.
Instead of (swt) : we must write (Subhanahu wa Ta'ala) after writing Allah.
Instead of RA : (Radi Allahu ta'ala anhu) - Sahaba/Awliya-e-Kiram
Instead of AS : (Alaihi as-Salaam) - Ambiya-e-Kiram (Prophets)
Instead of Holy (Prophet) : Noble, Beloved, Dearest, Blessed
Instead of Holy (Qur'an) : Qur'an al-Kareem, al-Qur'an, Qur'an Majid, Noble Qur'an, Glorious Qur'an, Qur'an-e-Paak or Qur'an al Hakeem
Also remember there is only one correct spelling of 'Muhammad' (Salla Allahu Ta'ala alayhi wa Sallam) for our blessed Prophet. The use and placement of the word 'HOLY ' is derived from Christian teachings ie; (Holy spirit, Holy trinity, Holy Bible, etc.,) and respect towards their own religious beliefs. Therefore we must refrain from using their phrases and terminology.
Please remember these small but important points of Adaab and respect especially when referring and pasting from 'other' articles.
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Post by Sanam1 on Sept 9, 2009 8:50:44 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuGood point bro Ghulam mustufa and thx saalik bro for pointing it out I used to make same error not writing correct terms like Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam i used to write saw but now I have changed so bro ali0009 take note
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Post by Saracen on Sept 9, 2009 12:12:59 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Jazakallah for clearing that up brother ali0009. Maybe im too thick to understand that point which i asked you to elaborate on. The way it was written in logical terms says Allah (azza wa jall) and Hazrat Ali Radi Allahu ta'ala anhu helped the Prophet Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam. Are you sure you quoting it right?. So Allah (azza wa jall) mentions his Habib Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam as 'Him' Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam?. Thanks for the history lesson ;D. Jazakallah khairun.
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Post by sanaqshi on Sept 9, 2009 12:50:14 GMT
this is a shiah rewaya if i am right..................there is no pardah (vails) between the mohib and the mehboob namely between allah azza wa jal and sarkari do alim ashraful ambiyah the steal of prophethood sayyidina muhammed sallahu alayhiwasalam, so how would He theh blessed of allah and crown of creation need any help, maybe the rbother is msirtaken the hadith purtaining to hadret ali may allah belss him being the maula (helper) of this ummah according to quranic traditions
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Post by Shiraz Ashrafi on Sept 9, 2009 12:50:10 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuI've not come accross this hadith before, I browsed on the net, couldnt find anything It might be worth just mentioning this to the Imam for him to clarify it because it did leave me a little confused too
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Post by Shiraz Ashrafi on Sept 9, 2009 13:00:18 GMT
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Post by aaq on Sept 9, 2009 15:57:36 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
No direct accusation please. The Brother has given a reference, so allow him to further elaborate on the matter. As we don't know much about the author of the book "As Shifa" or the present source of the book itself, it is better that we search/enquire before coming to a final conclusion. In the meantime it will remain a subject of discussion as this is how we learn about sensitive matters.
Edited to remove offensive comment.
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Post by ali0009 on Sept 9, 2009 20:57:31 GMT
Ive provided more then 3 references to the hadith. i am sure there are 3 million other hadiths which many might have never hurd/read or probably might not hear/read all you'r life, it does not means they dont exist.
Everything related to Hazrat Ali alayhis 'salam is not a shia thing.
Regards Waslam
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Post by Saalik on Sept 9, 2009 21:27:07 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
This thread has been left open for a healthy discussion, so please be moderate and don't resort to name calling.
Jazaak Alah for your co-operation.
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Post by aaq on Sept 9, 2009 22:53:33 GMT
Ive provided more then 3 references to the hadith. i am sure there are 3 million other hadiths which many might have never hurd/read or probably might not hear/read all you'r life, it does not means they dont exist. Everything related to Hazrat Ali alayhis 'salam is not a shia thing. Regards Waslam Assalaamu Alaykum, Some people have made a valid point in questioning the authenticity of this hadith. The reason it sounds very shia-ish is because it sounds similar to the shia adhan where they have added 'Ali(radi allahu anhu) is the firend of Allah(azzawajal). Yes I know you have given references to sunni sources but sometimes things need to be double checked. I have access to Qadi Iyad's(rahimahullahs) 'Ash Shifa,' so if you know what page this is written on that would be very helpful. Brother Shiraz Ashrafi had done the right thing by asking the Imam Sahib of this website for clarity on this issue. I think everyone who had questions about this narration only had the purest of intentions. Wassalaam
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Post by ali0009 on Sept 9, 2009 23:05:45 GMT
There are references given below the hadith written in english letters which everyone is able to read. The issue of authenticity arises when there are references, one can check those references for the satisification. Also, I dont know how this hadith is in connection with Ali alayhis 'salam being the friend of Allah Thats a total mis-leading statment to make after reading what the hadith states. Regards Wasalam
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Post by aaq on Sept 9, 2009 23:22:26 GMT
There are references given below the hadith written in english letters which everyone is able to read. The issue of authenticity arises when there are references, one can check those references for the satisification. A quote being in a book doesn't make it authentic. And I think none of us here are qualified to look into it also. There is no page number for the quote relating to Qadi Iyad's (rahimahullah) Ash-Shifa. Also, I dont know how this hadith is in connection with Ali alayhis 'salam being the friend of Allah Thats a total mis-leading statment to make after reading what the hadith states. I suppose that was a bit far fetched, probably due to me not reading your initial post carefully however some people have said this is a forgery and from a shia source. Anyway lets wait patiently for the Imam Sahibs clarification.
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Post by ali0009 on Sept 9, 2009 23:33:42 GMT
The hadith is not in just As shifa but 3 other books. These are the references to the other collections. I Sunni books also have reference to the arrival of Imam Mehdi alayhis 'salam, and Shias have that concept, would you get all suspicious on those hadiths too just beacause shias believe in that? In volume 11: The virtues of Ali, Muttaqi Hindi Rahmatullahi 'alayh
المجلد الحادي عشر >> تتمة الإكمال من فضائل علي رضي الله عنه 33040- رأيت ليلة أسري بي مثبتا على ساق العرش: أني أنا الله لا إله غيري، خلقت جنة عدن بيدي، محمد صفوتي من خلقي، أيدته بعلي نصرته بعلي. (ابن عساكر وابن الجوزي في الواهيات من طريقين - عن أبي الحمراء).
By Imam Al Tabrani Rahmatullahi 'alayh باب الهاء >> هلال بن الحارث أبو الحمراء صاحب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم حدثنا محمد بن عثمان بن أبي شيبة ثنا عبادة بن زياد الأسدي ثنا عمرو بن ثابت عن أبي حمزة الثمالي عن سعيد بن جبير عن أبي الحمراء خادم النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول لما أسري بي إلى السماء دخلت الجنة فرأيت في ساق العرش مكتوبا لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله أيدته بعلي ونصرته
In Majma-uz-zawaaid By Hafez Al-Haithami Rahmatullahi 'alayh
المجلد التاسع. >> 37. كتاب المناقب >> 4. (أبواب) مناقب علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنه. >> 17. باب جامع في مناقبه رضي الله عنه. 14702- وعن أبي الحمراء خادم النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: سمعت النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول: "لما أسري بي إلى السماء دخلت الجنة فرأيت في ساق العرش مكتوباً: لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله أيدته بعلي ونصرته". رواه الطبراني وفيه عمرو بن ثابت وهو متروك
Are these shia sources?
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Post by aaq on Sept 9, 2009 23:55:49 GMT
Are these shia sources? Then I don't have a problem if its authentic. The only problem is when people mention Hadrat Ali(radi allahu anho) most of the time and not the other sahaba(radi allahu anhum).
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