Bint e Attar
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Post by Bint e Attar on Jan 30, 2011 9:57:39 GMT
Apprently on this site it has been said namaz behind bad mazhab is allowed??? Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuThis is the main problem with some careless Sunni webmasters. They affiliate deobandi oriented scholars with their websites for Questions and Answers on Fiqh together with Aqeedah and others Islamic related matters. Due to the fact of it being a Sunni website with Shaykh Hisham Kabbani Damat (Barkatuhumul Aliya) as reference, one who is not well experienced and don't have much knowledge will end up taking the deobandi stuffs to be correct. It must be noted that Shaykh Hisham kabbani (Damat Barkatuhumul Aliya) is not the webmaster of the site and that he's not aware of all that goes on there. He doesn't answers all questions, there are other people there too who answer some questions (this is from what I've noted). I'm not saying the website is bad but certain issues can mislead. Hafiz Saahib can you please post the link to where you saw that, I'm too much busy to go and search for it there. Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuThese 2 questions are answered by Shaykh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani ( Damat Barkatuhumul Aliya) www.eshaykh.com/halal_haram/praying-different-aqidah/www.eshaykh.com/doctrine/not-agreeing-with-imams-takfir/Reason for Editing: To re-edit subject title.
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Post by Saalik on Jan 30, 2011 12:40:39 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuJazaak Allah Khayran for posting the links. This is ..........from what's written there I would have liked to know about the Ahadith in which Sayyidinah Rasoolullah (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alyhi Wa Sallam) said, “don’t check the `aqidah of the imam”. About this part: "that one can pray behind someone, even if that person is a fasiq (sinner)", I think it's fair according to what is referenced from Fatwa-e-Rizvia, page 273, part three: "If not able to find an imam for Jumma beside a fasiq & muallin imam then pray Jumma because it is fard and fard is important (later on repeat your namaz as of Zuhr)"About the fact that in all schools we can pray behind an Imam not following ones ways, i.e., not of same Madzhab, this is ok, there's no problem with this from any point but if the way of the Imam is that of gustaakh then there's a problem here... About praying behind a deviant the opinion which I know and agree more with is that one's prayer in invalid and one has to do it again. These 2 fatawa are against praying behind them: "If anyone believes that the Wahhabi's are Muslims, he becomes an UNBELIEVER. It is not lawful to pray behind him..." (Fatawa Ridwiyya, 6/80-91). "Whoever believes that the Wahhabi's of Najd are Muslims, or prays behind them, is an UNBELIVER AND APOSTATE." (Fatawa of Shuja'at Ali al-Qadiri, p. 25) If anyone is aware of any other Fatwah or Hadith which validates praying behind the gustakhs/deviants etc, it would be interesting to know so that we know what to do if we are stuck in a situation where the Imaam is a deviant.
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Jan 30, 2011 13:45:29 GMT
"If anyone believes that the Wahhabi's are Muslims, he becomes an UNBELIEVER. It is not lawful to pray behind him..." (Fatawa Ridwiyya, 6/80-91). "Whoever believes that the Wahhabi's of Najd are Muslims, or prays behind them, is an UNBELIVER AND APOSTATE." (Fatawa of Shuja'at Ali al-Qadiri, p. 25)
[/b] [/quote] Bro, dont you think that is a bit extreme or have I not understood it properly? Reason for Editing: To re-edit subject title.
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Post by Saalik on Jan 31, 2011 10:26:47 GMT
Bro, dont you think that is a bit extreme or have I not understood it properly? Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuIt is, that's why I posted it so that if anyone has any idea about it... It needs to be checked whether it is as is in the book. It's not that easy to check for that in the Fatawa_e_Razawiyya urdu software or ebook.
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Post by Saalik on Jan 31, 2011 10:46:24 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Hakim Mustadrak aur Tabarani Muajjam may Marthad ibn Abi Marthad al-Ghanawi (Radi Allahu Anhu) say rawaayi Huzoor Sayyad e Aalam (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam) farmaatay hein, "Agar tumhein apni Namaaz ka qubul hona khush aata ho to chaahiye jo tum may achchay hon wo tumhaaray Imaam hon kay wo tumhaaray safeer hein tum may aur tumhaaray Rab may."
In Mustadrak al Hakim and Muajjam al Tabarani, Marthad ibn Abi Marthad al-Ghanawi (Radi Allahu Anhu) narrated that Huzoor Sayyad e Aalam (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam) said, "If you want your Prayer (Namaaz) to be accepted you must choose he who is good among you as Imam, for he is the ambassador between you and your Lord"
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Bint e Attar
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Post by Bint e Attar on Jan 31, 2011 10:54:06 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuThen why did Shaykh Hisham Kabbani ( Damat Barkatuhumul Aliya) say that its allowed.. Reason for Editing: To re-edit subject title.
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Post by Saalik on Jan 31, 2011 11:04:55 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuThen why did Shaykh Hisham Kabbani ( Damat Barkatuhumul Aliya) say that its allowed.. Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuThis is what I'm also asking myself and would like to know the basis.
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Jan 31, 2011 21:51:03 GMT
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Musafir
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Post by Musafir on Feb 1, 2011 2:58:49 GMT
"If anyone believes that the Wahhabi's are Muslims, he becomes an UNBELIEVER. It is not lawful to pray behind him..." (Fatawa Ridwiyya, 6/80-91). "Whoever believes that the Wahhabi's of Najd are Muslims, or prays behind them, is an UNBELIVER AND APOSTATE." (Fatawa of Shuja'at Ali al-Qadiri, p. 25)
Those wahaabis were a different bunch of animals than those of today and possibly those whose aqeeda/ghustakhi was well known(heard/read). If one personally hears or reads(writings of) clear kufr of a wahaabi and then considers him muslim and prays behind him despite this,only then will one become an apostate. Otherwise we cannot call every wahabi a kafir without proof(heard or written). Infact books such as hanafi primers like nurul idha state that praying behind a fasiq or ahle bidah(whos bidah has not reached kufr) will be valid,although disliked(in times of neccassity/without alternative). Shaikh kabbani is following the shafi stance which also says the same thing. Yes,if one does not know the aqeeda of an imam he is reading or has read behind he does not need to investigate but assume his salah is valid,but if he knows beforehand or comes to know of gross deviency or kufr then he should refrain or find a sunni imam or at least repeat(if he has time).
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Post by Saalik on Feb 1, 2011 8:44:11 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuJazaak Allah Khayran Brother Musafir. Yes, at that time the dogs of hells were really such and even today some are still. We have hardcore wahabis, softcore wahabis by being born in a wahabi family without having hardcore wahabi belief, ignorant sunnis being wahabis (like them) by having wahabi belief with & without being aware that it is wahabi belief ;D and may be other types......
Haafiz Saahib, I haven't yet come across the fatwa as is in the urdu Fatawa_e_Razawiyya. It's nowhere to be seen in the Volume 6, page 80-91, may be I need to re-check with clear glasses on. It's important to get down to this as I didn't find it anywhere on the net apart from one or 2 deobandi sites where they have mentioned it as is to portray a certain picture in the negative sense. Could it be that, being faithful to the ugly habits of their elders in falsification, they have change the reference number and also replaced the term DEOBANDIS by WAHHABIS (though they are in the same basket).
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Post by Saalik on Feb 1, 2011 8:59:46 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 002, Hadith Number 0482.
Narrated by Abu Sahlah as-Sa'ib ibn Khallad (Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhu) : "A man led the people in prayer. He spat towards Qiblah while the Apostle of Allah (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam) was looking at him. The Apostle of Allah (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam) said to the people when he finished his prayer: He should not lead you in prayer (henceforth)."
Thenceforth he intended to lead them in prayer, but they forbade him and informed him of the prohibition of the Apostle of Allah (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam). He mentioned it to the Apostle of Allah (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam) who said to him: "Yes."
The narrator said: I think He (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam) said: "You did harm to Allah (Azzawajal) and His Apostle (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam)."
Remarks: Due to the very fact that the man spat towards the Qiblah, Sayyidinah Rasoolullah (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam) ordered that he (the man) must not be allowed to lead the Prayer and also confirmed it to the man in question. He (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam) also told him that he did harm to Allah (Azzawajal) and His Apostle (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam).
From what some deos/najdis/shias do and say, it is most abominable than spitting towards the Qiblah.
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