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Post by Shiraz Ashrafi on Mar 23, 2011 12:06:01 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuSaalik would you kindly tell me why in every century above there has been between 3 or 6 mujaddids ,yet in the 14th there is only one listed? Is the 14th century more special than the previous ones and how? Seems this list was compiled by a razvi brelvi. Why are tajdare Golra(even accepted by the elder deos,never mind sunnis as both mujaddid and gous e waqt),why not syed jamaat Ali shah and why not Shaykh Yusuf Nabhani included? Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuIt's indeed a Rizvi Barelwi compilation (not updated) and they also say the following but have not added it to their list: Sultaanul Munazireen, Sheikhul Aarifeen, Hadrat Mujaahid-e-Millat Maulana Shah Habeebur Rahman Abbasi Razvi (Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhu) was a contemporary of Hadrat Mufti-e-Azam Hind (Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhu). He said, 'Hadrat Mufti-e-Azam Hind (Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhu) is that King of the Auliyah of his era. This faqeer is his humble servant. This is the year 1399 Hijri. All the conditions of a Mujaddid are found in its most high form in Hadrat Mufti-e-Azam Hind (Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhu). Only one condition is left. The fourteenth century is about to come to an end. If he gains some part of the fifteenth century, then there is no doubt, that he is the true Mujaddid of the fifteenth century.'
It must be noted, that as per the statement of Hadrat Mujaahid-e-Millat (Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhu), Hadrat Mufti-e-Azam Hind (Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhu) did attain part of the fifteenth century, as he only passed from this world in 1402 Hijri. According to Hadrat Mujaahid-e-Millat's statement, Hadrat Mufti-e-Azam Hind (Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhu) is the Mujaddid of the fifteenth century.Why they have not listed other potential revivalists of the 14th century is . Full conditions (Qualities of a Mujaddid) apart, we had and still have world renowned personalities and organizations who have revived the Deen, for example Maulanah Shah Ahmad Nooraani Siddiqui (Rahmatullahi Ta'ala Alayh), the leaders of Dawat e Islami and Minhaj ul Quran, whether the mass or some specific groups accept it or not. The proof of their achievements are right before our eyes, refusing/denying their achievements will not wipe the truth. Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuI would respecfully disagree on the last part, I strongly feel that neither Dawate Islami nor Minhaj or even the very respected Shah Noorani Baba Rahmatullahi 'alayh would complete the criteria of Mujadid, especially when you compare them to others on the list. I think we are in desperation, hence we feel the need that someone has to fill that position.
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Post by Shiraz Ashrafi on Mar 23, 2011 13:04:55 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuIf Both Hazrat Gawth E Azam Abdul Qadir Jilani Radi Allahu anhu and Hazrat Khawaja Gharib Nawaaz Radi Allahu anhu met in their liftime, why are they 2 centuries apart in regards to being the Mujadid
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Mar 23, 2011 14:07:31 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
1st century: Syedina Umar ibn Abdul-Aziz
2nd century: Syedina Imam Al-Shafi
3rd century: Syedina Ibn Surayj and al-Ashari
4th century: Syedina Al-Baqillani, Sahl al-Suluki, and Abu Hamid al-Isfarayni
5th century: Syedina Imam Al-Ghazzali
6th century: Al-Fakhr al-Razi and al-Rafi
7th century: Ibn Daqiq al-Id (625-702)
8th century: Al-Bulqini and al-Iraqi
9th century: Al-Suyuti rizwanullahi ta'ala ajmaeen.
ref - (Tuhfat al-Mujtahidin bi Asma' al-Mujaddidin)
Al-`Azim Abadi in `Awn al-Ma`bûd (4:182) followed up above list with the following differences:
1st century: Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri, al-Qasim ibn Muhammad, Salim ibn `Abd Allah, al-Haasan al-Basrî, Muhammad ibn Sirin, and Muhammad al-Baqir; 2nd century: Yahya ibn Ma`in; 3rd century: Al-Nasai;
4th century: Al-Hakim, `Abd al-Ghani al-Maqdisi; 11th century: Ibrahim ibn Haasan al-Kurdî al-Kawrani al-Madani; 12th century: Salih. ibn Muhammad ibn Nuh. al-Fulani al-Madani, al-Sayyid Murtada al-Zabidi; 13th century: Sayyid Nadhir Husayn, al-Qadi Husayn ibn Muhammad al-Ansari al-Khazraji al-Sadi al-Yamani, Nawab Siiddîq Hasan Khan Bhûpâlî al-Qinnawjî.
Here is some other names of Shaykh who are also known as Mujaddid apart from the Shuyukhs mention in the above list.
10th century: al-Ramli
11th century: Shaykh Ahmad al-Faruqi of Sirhind; 12th century: Al-Qutb `Abd Allâh al-Haddad of Hadramawt, Yemen; 13th century: Shaykh Khalid al-Baghdadi and his student Shaykh Muhammad Amin `Abidîn (Ibn `Abidîn), both of Damascus; 14th century: Shaykh Badr al-Dîn al-Haasani of Damascus , Shaykh Muhammad Zahid al-Kawthari of Turkey , Imam Ahmed Raza Khan barelvi , Syed Mehr Ali Shah Jilani golravi.
Allah and his Rasool knows the best.
JazakAllahu Khayrun
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Mar 23, 2011 14:14:48 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuSaalik would you kindly tell me why in every century above there has been between 3 or 6 mujaddids ,yet in the 14th there is only one listed? Because Razavi Shuyukh want it like this.
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Post by Shiraz Ashrafi on Mar 23, 2011 16:35:57 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Its quite clear that there has been more then 1 Mujadid in the same century, both have excelled in different aspects of the religion, and maybe in different regions of the Muslim workd, no doubt the last century had more then 1 mujadid, I read a list by an Arab Sunni Scholar whom didnt put Imam Ahmad Raza Rahmatullahi 'alayh as the Mujadid, which would make sense because their impact was mainly on the sub continent.
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Post by MAZHAR FAZLE REHMANI on Mar 26, 2011 10:35:43 GMT
There is always diffrence in the openion in ulema i have read in the book rehmat wa neemat.
9th century mujadid was Hazrat Makhdoom Misbahul ashiquine (rehmatullah alaih)(Mallawan Sharif)
12th century was Hazrat Khawja Afaq Sahab(rehmatullah alaih) (Delhi)
13th century was Hazrat Maulna Fazl-E-Rehman Gunjumuradabadi(rehmatullah alaih).
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Post by sanaqshi on Mar 31, 2011 11:03:45 GMT
acording to the verse which establish the existence of the the saints of Allah azza wa jal and specifically the abdal (substitues) I have read a hadeeth shareef narated by Hadret abdullah ibne umer radi allaht tala anho who states that because of the blessings and good ness of a good person (rajalun saleH) 100 people of his families hardships will be taken away and in another hadeeth narrated by by al faqi hadret Abdullah ibne Masood radi allahu maula tabaarukullah wata ala were he states that: (1) there are 300 (rajulun saleH) who have the heart like prophet Adam alayhi salaam (2) there are 40 people in the ummat that have hearts like prophet Moses alayhis salaam (3) there are 7 ,whose heart is like that Prophet Abraham alayhis salaam (4) there are 5, whose heart is like that of jibra'eel's alayhi salaam (5) there are 3 whose heart is like that of micha'eel (6) and one whose heart is like that of israfeel and because of their tifail and blessings Allah takes away hardships from the earth/people. these people are known by the title awtaadul ard (poles of the world) and where ever they are they are like poles. /stakes in the ground from which the earth and people derive benefit.
there are countless other hadeeth that substantiate our aqaid on this issue!
and with regards who is was the mujjaddad of this century that is some what of a nonsensical argument is is without double muhadithi brailvi Imam al ahle sunnat alayhi rehma. all accross the indian subcontinent (bangladesh, india pakistan and kashimir) the fiqha ahnaaf is tought through darsi nazaami which was set up byHis Eminence muffakari islam Sayyed Dildar Ali Shah chisti Nizami alayhi rehma who not only wrote fatawa's at brailvi shareef was from amongst the famous Khulifa of Ala hadret alayhi rehma. Ala hadret Khulifa reached all accross the globe from australia to singapore to europe to USA, canada and south america. Alla of the ulema from indian and pakistan have some link with ala hadret alayhi rehma either directly, through his khulifa or even students of his khulifa (to many to name). This is the great contrabution made by His eminence not just through his writing but his students and alhamdulillah we are still recieving that fayooz and barakat today accross bangladesh india and pakistan even in syria and yemen (where the habib's are teaching from the books of ala hdaret)
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Apr 9, 2011 20:56:24 GMT
I told my freind who is becoming an alim to ask his Ustad and here is what he told me.
To declare someone the Mujadid of the era is not the work of aam people but it is the work of Ulema E Kiram. As for Syedi Ala Hazrat Maulana Ash Shah Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Barailvi Rahmatullahi 'alayh he was declared the Mujadid of the era by the Sajjada Nasheen of a great Wali called Hazrat Sayyedinah Makhdoom Sharfuddin Yahya Muneeri Rahmatullahi 'alayh. Hazrat Sayyedinah Makhdoom Sharfuddin Yahya Muneeri Rahmatullahi 'alayh Janasheen in the all india patna conferance in the presence of 5,000 Ulema E Kiram declared Ala Hazrat Mohadis E Barailvi Rahmatullahi 'alayh the mujadid saying that all the conditions of a mujadid have been fulfilled by Imam Ahmad Raza Rahmatullahi 'alayh.
All of the Ulema E Kiram agreed with this as at this time Ala Hazrat Rahmatullahi 'alayh had written 300 books to which these Ulema checked and after observong Ala Hazrats knowledge and style of writing, refutation etc they all agreed.
ALLAHU AKHBAR!!!
YA SYEDI ALA HAZRAT IMAM AHMAD RAZA KHAN BARAILVI AL MADAD
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Post by Naqshbandi on Apr 12, 2011 21:52:50 GMT
There is a great speech by Peer Sayyad Madni Miya sahib Madda zil hu aali that I have in my possession. Hazrat say one can be declared a mujadid by 1000s but may not be a mujadid and another may not be declared a mujadid at all but may still be the mujadid.
Peer Sayyad Abdul Qadir Jilani Shah sahib qibla believe Taajdar-e-Golra rehamtullahi alay to be the mujadid of the last century along with many other pakistani ulema.
Alot of people of the arab world regard Imam Yusuf Nibhani Rehmatullahi alay as the mujadid, and then there are others too.
Writing the most books or giving the most fatwa's doesn't make on a mujadid.
Allah ta'ala knows best.
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Post by sanaqshi on Apr 13, 2011 23:14:50 GMT
There is a great speech by Peer Sayyad Madni Miya sahib Madda zil hu aali that I have in my possession. Hazrat say one can be declared a mujadid by 1000s but may not be a mujadid and another may not be declared a mujadid at all but may still be the mujadid. Peer Sayyad Abdul Qadir Jilani Shah sahib qibla believe Taajdar-e-Golra rehamtullahi alay to be the mujadid of the last century along with many other pakistani ulema. Alot of people of the arab world regard Imam Yusuf Nibhani Rehmatullahi alay as the mujadid, and then there are others too. Writing the most books or giving the most fatwa's doesn't make on a mujadid. Allah ta'ala knows best. majority of the Ulema of arab and ajam are agreed upon Aal hadret Mujjadadaani Deeno Millat Imam Ahmed radha Khan alayhi rehma as being the revivor because the biggest fitna's of the last 145 years has been (1) wahabiyat (2) Deobandiyyat (Indian extreme wahabai's (3) qaadiyaanat all 3 instigated by the british masonic fraternities and all three were tackled by ala Hdaret may allah bless him first, who made and showed through the books of the ahle sunnat the clear light and day difference between the ahle sunnat and the heretics such as wahabi's deobandi's and the ahmadis. In regards to Pir mehr ali shah alayhi rehma's challange of Mirza Qadiani that is well documented in history, so why don't those scholars also mention the contribution of asta Hadret Pir Jamaat ali shah sahib alayhi rehma in the narative because in the famous debate with Mirza Pir Mehr Ali shah asked a mureed to go and fetch Hadret Pir Jamaat ali shah who finished the manaazara with Mirza and completely destroyed his debas faith and uttered the famous words "you will die in the toilet", after which Mirza died on the toilet (that place is still present in to this day in Lahore)
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Post by Naqshbandi on Apr 15, 2011 19:15:13 GMT
There is a great speech by Peer Sayyad Madni Miya sahib Madda zil hu aali that I have in my possession. Hazrat say one can be declared a mujadid by 1000s but may not be a mujadid and another may not be declared a mujadid at all but may still be the mujadid. Peer Sayyad Abdul Qadir Jilani Shah sahib qibla believe Taajdar-e-Golra rehamtullahi alay to be the mujadid of the last century along with many other pakistani ulema. Alot of people of the arab world regard Imam Yusuf Nibhani Rehmatullahi alay as the mujadid, and then there are others too. Writing the most books or giving the most fatwa's doesn't make on a mujadid. Allah ta'ala knows best. majority of the Ulema of arab and ajam are agreed upon Aal hadret Mujjadadaani Deeno Millat Imam Ahmed radha Khan alayhi rehma as being the revivor because the biggest fitna's of the last 145 years has been (1) wahabiyat (2) Deobandiyyat (Indian extreme wahabai's (3) qaadiyaanat all 3 instigated by the british masonic fraternities and all three were tackled by ala Hdaret may allah bless him first, who made and showed through the books of the ahle sunnat the clear light and day difference between the ahle sunnat and the heretics such as wahabi's deobandi's and the ahmadis. In regards to Pir mehr ali shah alayhi rehma's challange of Mirza Qadiani that is well documented in history, so why don't those scholars also mention the contribution of asta Hadret Pir Jamaat ali shah sahib alayhi rehma in the narative because in the famous debate with Mirza Pir Mehr Ali shah asked a mureed to go and fetch Hadret Pir Jamaat ali shah who finished the manaazara with Mirza and completely destroyed his debas faith and uttered the famous words "you will die in the toilet", after which Mirza died on the toilet (that place is still present in to this day in Lahore) Brother this is not a competition, but yes many do mention Imam Ahmad Raza Rehamtullahi alay, but many mention Peer Mehr Ali Shah sahib Golravi Rahmatullahi 'alayh, and many mention Peer Sayyad Jamaat Ali Shah Rahmatullahi 'alayh and other personalities too. We shouldnt just mention one, I feel we should give them all a mention. Alot of razvi's just mention the status of Imam Ahmad Raza Rahmatullahi 'alayh on its own. We dont say nothing against that, instead we contribute to the conversation about his status. But when we mention the status and efforts of Peer Sayyad Mehr Ali Shah sahib Golravi Rahmatullahi 'alayh or Muhaddith-e-Alipuri Peer Sayyad Jamaat Ali Shah sahib Rahmatullahi 'alayh, then what happens more often then not is that instead of contributing to the conversation about their efforts of being the ones who tackled the greatest fitna of its time (Qadianism) some razvi inclined brothers begin to oppose us. This is very similar to an illness amongst some sunnis today, when they mention the shaan of sayyedina Siddique Akbar Radi Allahu anhu on its own then thats fine, but they dont allow us to mention the shaan of Sayyedina Maula-e-kainaat Radi Allahu anhu on its own, they just come and start giving bayaans making it sound like its a competition between the two forgetting how much love and respect they had between themselves. (And members please dont go off track down the wrong routes with this mention of Sayyedina Abu bakr-e-sideeq Radi Allahu anhu and Maula-e-kainaat Sayyedina Ali-e-Murtaza Shehr-e-khuda Radi Allahu anhuAssalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by Musafir on Apr 15, 2011 23:19:47 GMT
In regards to Pir mehr ali shah alayhi rehma's challange of Mirza Qadiani that is well documented in history, so why don't those scholars also mention the contribution of asta Hadret Pir Jamaat ali shah sahib alayhi rehma in the narative because in the famous debate with Mirza Pir Mehr Ali shah asked a mureed to go and fetch Hadret Pir Jamaat ali shah who finished the manaazara with Mirza and completely destroyed his debas faith and uttered the famous words "you will die in the toilet", after which Mirza died on the toilet (that place is still present in to this day in Lahore) Where did you get that nonsense from? Dont make things up,infact Pir Naseerudin sahib told muzammal shah off for saying same thing at a khatme nabuwwat conference everybody there at ameere millat centre bham(moulvis etc)shut up because there was/is absolutely no truth to such stuff. People dont have problem with accepting pir jamaat Ali shah or pir mehr ali shah,yusuf nibhani,etc as mujaddis too,its only your types that want it only for imam ahmed raza khan. Why ? When RasoolAllah Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam personally orders and chooses you to to take on the biggest and most powerful fitna of the time(which was qadianiat, and not 4 deobandi moulvis writing the odd ghustakhi in a book here and there,or wahaabiat which had been dealt with already in the previous century to it comprehensively by other lumunaries) infact chooses you above all other scholars of the era to take on this fitna(this is documented in hadrat own memoirs) and when every school (including brelvi )of thought accepts you as their leader and spokeman in this fight then you should know that this is no ordinary person but the greatest personality of the era. A mujaddid! PS There can be many mujaddids in an era and Ahle Sunnah are agreed upon this,so accepting the mujaddidiat of another does not effect the mujaddidat of ala hadrat brelvi. Lets drop this childish playground mentality of my dad is better than yours,razvis should act like real sunnis in this manner not copyright owners of mujaddid of 14th century. Lets face it the ultimate knowledge of a mujaddid is with Allah and his Rasool Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam,and not with moulvis or alims(be they thousands). We honestly need to grow up as sunnis.
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Post by Areff on Apr 16, 2011 12:04:07 GMT
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Post by chishti on Apr 26, 2011 10:00:18 GMT
How come all the "new" mujjadids, Qutbs etc all come from Pakistan/India?? ...maybe there is a great Wali in senegal...or indonesia or bosnia...how many Pakistanis would accept a mujjadid from bangladesh?? ;D ...i think the term mujjadid is going to be routinely churned out by mureeds/students of every Pir/Imam..we will end up with thousands of them....like so many other titles which are being attributed to anyone with a beard! I see the Hadeeth Mubarak for the term mujjadid but where is the proof for "mujjadid i Azam"??
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Post by Bint e Attar on Apr 26, 2011 15:23:27 GMT
How many Pakistanis would accept a mujjadid from bangladesh?? ;D Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuWhy would pakistani's have a problem with a mujjadid from Bangladesh ??
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Post by chishti on Apr 26, 2011 20:27:42 GMT
..."Why would pakistani's have a problem with a mujjadid from Bangladesh ??...
.....whenever there is a Sunni conference all you ever get are Pakistani/indian ulema..never any from bangladesh..they just don't seem to be invited. I've noticed a certain amount of prejudice against bengali ulema by their subcon. neighbours and i think this would also be evident if a bengali Imam was named as mujjadid.
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Post by Shiraz Ashrafi on Apr 28, 2011 21:13:50 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Personally, I dont know of many Sunni Scholars from Bangladesh?
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Post by chishti on Apr 29, 2011 17:05:57 GMT
exactly my point bruth ....is it that we don't know because there aren't any (unlikely) or that they are sidelined by the rest and we are kept unaware?...One moron i spoke to declared all of bangladeshi ulema to be deobandis and that is the reason we don't know of them!!! Without resorting to shaikh google try and name 5 Sunni ulema from bangladesh..difficult isn't it ..we could name loads from syria but none from our regional neighbours!! When we talk about the next/last mujjadid it's always a scholar from indo/pak..why??...i mean are all the other ulema in the world unemployed??..i find this to be rather racist and short sighted.
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Post by chishti on Apr 29, 2011 17:14:09 GMT
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Post by Naqshbandi on May 2, 2011 17:03:36 GMT
exactly my point bruth ....is it that we don't know because there aren't any (unlikely) or that they are sidelined by the rest and we are kept unaware?...One moron i spoke to declared all of bangladeshi ulema to be deobandis and that is the reason we don't know of them!!! Without resorting to shaikh google try and name 5 Sunni ulema from bangladesh..difficult isn't it ..we could name loads from syria but none from our regional neighbours!! When we talk about the next/last mujjadid it's always a scholar from indo/pak..why??...i mean are all the other ulema in the world unemployed??..i find this to be rather racist and short sighted. Not at all, many pakistani ulema love Allama Futalli sahib rehmatullahi alay and now have very strong relations with their family. The only short sited-ness is yourself generalising the whole indo-pak people from having spoken with one "moron". Just because the mujadid Imam Ahmad Ridha, Peer Mehr Ali Shah, Shah Ahmad Farooqi sarhandi Rahmatullahi 'alayhim ajmain happen to be the ones that we are aware of doesnt mean there arent any. Feel free to add to the list, I have and nobody has said anything to me, Im sure we will all be happy for you to add some bangladeshi scholars to that list too. Jazakallahu khayrun Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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