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Post by Saalik on Apr 10, 2011 7:59:40 GMT
 The National Museum of Saudi Arabia was opened in Riyadh in 1999 to celebrate centenary (100 year) of Saudi occupation of Arabian Peninsula. It was designed by Moriyama & Teshima Planners, Canada, the winners of Intl Design Competition for this Museum. Riyadh Museum at Night: Among other ancient artifacts, the Museum houses ancient Idol Gods which were worshiped by Saudi ancestors. These Idols are reported to have been found by Saudis in various Archaeological sites in the Kingdom. Carved in stone, this Idol God is considered to be 4000 years BC. It is given extra-ordinary importance and focus in Riyadh Museum, as well as in Saudi Archaeological Exhibitions in the world. Courtesy - www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/art/shades-of-arabia-for-the-louvre The Idol was placed in the first gallery of "Arabian Routes Exhibition" Paris, France, during July 16 - Sept 27, 2010.
The Arabian Routes Exhibition was later shifted to La Caixa, Barcelona, Spain, during Nov 4, 2010 - Feb 6, 2011. In Spain also, this ancient Idol God was provided with special focus of attention by Saudi organizers. The Arabian Routes Exhibition will be held in three more American cities during 2011-12.  In 1944, G. Caton Thompson discovered this idol in Southern Saudi Arabian excavation which is considered to be the Moon-God of Pagans (also known as Hubul). This was confirmed by well-known archaeologists, like Richard Le Baron Bower Jr. and Frank P. Albright, "Archaeological Discoveries in South Arabia", Baltimore, John Hopkins Univ Press, 1958, p.78ff, and Ray Cleveland, "An Ancient South Arabian Necropolis", Baltimore, John Hopkins Univ Press, 1965; Nelson Gleuck, "Deities & Dolphins" NY, Farrar-Strauss-Giroux, 1965). In the 1950's a major Moon-God-Temple was excavated at Hazor, Palestine. Two idols of the Moon-God were found. Each was an Idol sitting upon a throne with a crescent moon carved on his chest. The accompanying inscriptions make it clear that these were idols of the Moon-God. Several smaller Idols were also found which were identified by their inscriptions as the daughters of the Moon-God (Popularly known as al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat).
The preservation and display of archaeological heritage is the most important aspect of Saudi Government policy for the past 100 years. The idols worshiped by Saudi ancestors are preserved for their future generations as important specimens of Saudi Arabian culture and tradition. Courtesy Arab News: arabnews.com/lifestyle/art_culture/article199019.eceThe Saudi Department of Museums and Antiquities has undertaken the task of excavating, classifying and maintaining the Idols worshiped by Saudi ancestors. The Department of Archeology at King Saud University in Riyadh is also an important Institution which preserves ancient Heritage of Saudi Arabia.
 The most important Restoration Work of Najd was undertaken recently was at Diriyah, Najd, the ancestral home of Saudi Royals.  Tarut is an island, four square kilometers in radius, in Arabian Gulf near Al-Qatif, Najd. Several archaeological sites have been recorded around this island showing evidences of Idol worship in ancient Najd. |
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Post by Saalik on Apr 10, 2011 8:03:31 GMT
There's a sect (wahhabi/salfi) in Saudi Arabia whose adherents are still worshiping Allah Azzawajal with the intention that He is a Sky God known as Allah because God is translated in Arabic as Allah. Similarly, Christians in Arabic, Persian and Urdu translations of Bible, refer to their God as Allah. They (the concerned Muslim sect in Saudi Arabia) believe that Allah (their Sky God) has (i) a physical body (al-jism), (ii) He is physically sitting on the sky (on a throne), and (iii) He has limbs, hands, eyes, tongue, face and other body parts.
There's a connection between the wahhabi/salafi concept of Allah Azzawajal and the concept of God by their ancestors who were idol worshipers who thought their God as a super being sitting upon a throne.
1. Why have they not destroyed all these idols and why are they preserving them in their musuem?
2. Why does the ward named (Saudi heritage) only contain Najdi cultural items?
3. Why Najdi heritage was labelled as Saudi heritage whereas Saudi Arabia also includes Hejaz, Janoob, Shamal and Sharq among other regions?
Manhaj
The Historical Influences and Effects of the Methodologies of al-Ikhwaan al-Muslimoon Upon the Salafi dawah.www.salafipublications.com/sps/downloads/pdf/MNJ180008.pdf
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Post by Saalik on Apr 10, 2011 8:09:52 GMT
The Anthropomorphist may say that Saudis want to showcase their ancestral Idol worship and cultural history by preserving the Idols found in Kingdom's archaeological excavations. Every nation preserves its heritage. There is nothing wrong in it. If we accept the above argument, then Saudis should have also preserved the vast Islamic heritage destroyed by them in Arabian Peninsula, particularly in Hijaz. The current preservation of so called Islamic heritage by Saudi Government is selective, which does not contain anything related to Prophet Mohammad  , His Family and Sahabah (Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhum). Why Saudis destroyed everything related to Islam, specially the relics of Prophet Mohammad and Sahabah (Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhum) ; their mosques, houses and other important traces of Islam? Was it not the cultural heritage of Saudi Arabia? Not only they destroyed the house of Prophet Mohammad in Makka where he lived 28 years with his family, they also humiliated him by constructing a Public Toilet on it where millions of people relieves the contents of their intestines and spit 24 hours of the day. As a matter of fact, they destroyed the entire Geography of Seeratun Nabi While destroying the important Islamic Heritage, they claimed that people give respect to the relics of Prophet Mohammad and Sahabah (Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhum) . This is an alibi and deception. They know that the respect of Prophet's relics is the practice of all Sahabah (Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhum) and is part of Islamic faith.
The respect, importance and display of their ancestral Idols in magnificent air conditioned Archeology Museums is clear cut evidence that Idols of their ancestral Gods are more important to them than the relics of Prophet Mohammad . As a matter of fact the house of Prophet Mohammad in Makka was so evil and dirty for them that they not only destroyed it but built a Public Toilet on it.
They have planned to destroy the Green Dome and sacred grave of Prophet Mohammad so that this last trace of Islam is removed from the face of this Earth.
They openly say that preservation of Prophet's relics, his houses, the houses of Sahabah, their old mosques and even their sacred graves is shirk; but preservation of Idols worshiped by their forefathers is their important responsibility towards their future generations.
The Prophet Mohammad destroyed all 360 Idols kept in Ka'aba and ordered Muslims to refrain from Idol worship in all its formats. If Saudis found an Idol in an Archeology site, they should have destroyed it then and there itself because this was ordered by Prophet Mohammad . |
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Post by Saalik on Apr 10, 2011 8:23:16 GMT
How come Saudi Government is preserving and protecting their ancestral Idol Gods and displaying them in huge Museums which look like Magnificent Temples built for their future generations?
The importance and reverence given in displaying Idols Gods worshiped by Saudi ancestors at magnificent centralized Museums in major cities points towards a strong trend in Saudi society. Since they are very much concerned about the protection and preservation of Idols worshiped by their forefathers, there is a strong possibility that soon their scholars will issue Fatawas to preserve and display these Idols at the most secured, sacred, protected and centralized place in the Kingdom, ie., 'Ka'aba' and the old story of Ka'aba is repeated once again in Arabian Peninsula.
The above observation may look strange to some readers, but when you read about the lavish and lustful life and unthinkable moral corruption of Royals and the Rich in Saudi Arabia, it will be easier for you to compare them with Pagan-Lords of Prophet's time who preserved and displayed 360 Idol Gods in Ka'aba. As a matter of fact, the pagan lords can come nowhere near the modern Royals and the rich of their society in any deed you compare between them.
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Apr 10, 2011 16:48:01 GMT
Asalamu Alaykum
Mashallah a great thread. Hope Mr jagga looks at his own people before pointing fingers at others.
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Post by fatma on Apr 11, 2011 8:26:39 GMT
Asalamu Alaykum Mashallah a great thread. Hope Mr jagga looks at his own people before pointing fingers at others. who's Mr jagga?  |
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Apr 11, 2011 9:43:45 GMT
Asalamu Alaykum Mashallah a great thread. Hope Mr jagga looks at his own people before pointing fingers at others. who's Mr jagga? A nut case najdi chamboo who came on to this forum ans started spreading crap and not to mention dishing out a few curses at my sorry self  . His thread was removed and I believe this thread was created in his response as he claimed that all the Mazars are shitty idols (Yes he used those words) Astaghfirullah and one day he will burn them  |
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Post by Saalik on Apr 11, 2011 12:50:04 GMT
Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuHis thread was removed and I believe this thread was created in his response as he claimed that all the Mazars are shitty idols (Yes he used those words) Astaghfirullah and one day he will burn them How did you know that it is in response to jaggoo's crap. Indeed it is, when I checked the forum in the morning the other day I saw all that and his posts were already booted by Sister Nomee. Couldn't miss such occasions as the stuffs were ready to be posted since a few weeks ago. More can be read here: www.cifiaonline.com/salafiskygodhistory.htmIt would be better to bring them here bit by bit to ease reading. If you have some free time Haafiz Saahib, please go ahead with this thread as I'm too busy these days and also my net is not in synchronization in the evening till morning. May be this week it will be fixed. Jazaak Allah Khayran |
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Post by fatma on Apr 12, 2011 9:42:17 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhuwho's Mr jagga? A nut case najdi chamboo who came on to this forum ans started spreading crap and not to mention dishing out a few curses at my sorry self . His thread was removed and I believe this thread was created in his response as he claimed that all the Mazars are shitty idols (Yes he used those words) Astaghfirullah and one day he will burn them aaaah i see!!!  |
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Post by Shiraz Ashrafi on Apr 12, 2011 10:57:33 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Wow, Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala bless your efforts brother saalik, theres some great info here
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Post by E P N on Apr 12, 2011 21:51:45 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum
I enjoyed reading your hard efforts brother Saalik regarding these Idols, thanks.
It 'beggars belief' the hypocrisy of these hypocrites!
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Apr 13, 2011 17:09:39 GMT
Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuHis thread was removed and I believe this thread was created in his response as he claimed that all the Mazars are shitty idols (Yes he used those words) Astaghfirullah and one day he will burn them How did you know that it is in response to jaggoo's crap. Indeed it is, when I checked the forum in the morning the other day I saw all that and his posts were already booted by Sister Nomee. Couldn't miss such occasions as the stuffs were ready to be posted since a few weeks ago. More can be read here: www.cifiaonline.com/salafiskygodhistory.htmIt would be better to bring them here bit by bit to ease reading. If you have some free time Haafiz Saahib, please go ahead with this thread as I'm too busy these days and also my net is not in synchronization in the evening till morning. May be this week it will be fixed. Jazaak Allah Khayran Inshallah brother I will soon   |
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Post by Saalik on Apr 13, 2011 17:23:22 GMT
Inshallah brother I will soon Jazaak Allah Khayran |
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Post by Areff on Apr 16, 2011 13:31:36 GMT
The Hour does not come unless people take al-Lat and al-'Uzza as Deities and worship them again… (Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Rasul Barzanji, Al-Isha'ah li-ashrat al-sa'ah, p. 281)
The hypocrites are preserving their idols for their generations to worship them again. Curse upon the idolaters of najd.
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Apr 16, 2011 21:46:11 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
THE ORIGIN OF THE SALAFI SKY GOD
The word "ALLAH" is made-up of two syllables. "AL" and "ILAH". "AL" means "The" and "ILAH" means "God". When these two syllables, which are the two units of the pronunciations, are combined, the letter "I" becomes silent and Al-Ilah, becomes Allah.
It is a known fact that the name Allah was known to people before the advent of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم).
It is in Hadith - Narrated by 'Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Zayd Ibn Aslam (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ), from his father who narrates it from his grandfather from 'Umar Ibn al-Khattaab (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ), marfu'an and mawqufan 'alayh, that when Prophet Adam (علیھ السلا م ) said, 'O Lord! I ask you for the sake of Mohammad [bi haqqi Mohammad-صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم] to forgive me.' He (سبحانہ و تعا لی) said, 'How did you know Mohammad-صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم] ?' He said, 'because when you created me with Your hands and blew into me from Your Spirit, I raised my head and I saw on the legs of Your Throne written, 'Laa ilaha ill-Allah Muhammadu Rasulullah' so I knew You would not put next to your name except the one who is the most beloved to You. ' He said, 'you have said the truth, O' Adam (علیھ السلا م ) and if it were not for Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم ), I would not have created you." [law laa Muhammadan maa khalaqtuk] .
Ibn Taymiyyah, quoted the above Hadith which is narrated by al-Haakim in his Mustadrak, from the Hadith of 'Abdullah bin Muslim al-Fihree (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ), from Isma'il bin Salama(رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ). And Haakim said, 'and it is the first Hadith I have mentioned from 'Abdur-Rahman' in this book. And Haakim says that it is Sahih. And it is related by Shaykh Abu Bakr al-Aajuri, in the book 'ash-Shari'ah' mawqufan on 'Umar from Hadith 'Abdullah bin Isma'il bin Abi Maryam mawqufan from 'Abdur Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam".
Prophet's (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) father's name was Abdullah (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) (the servant of Allah - سبحانہ و تعا لی) which means that Makkans knew about the name Allah before the advent of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم).
Before the advent of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم), there were 360 Idol gods kept in Ka'aba. Hubul was considered to be greatest of them all. Some Christian and Jewish scholars have described Hubul as Pagan's Moon-God. These scholars have mentioned that, as per Pagans' beliefs Hubul was married to a Sun Goddess and together they produced three daughters, (i) al-Lat, (ii) al-Uzza and (iii) Manat, who were considered as intercessors for Hubul.
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Apr 20, 2011 17:24:07 GMT
Asalamu Alaykum
Continued from above post
When we study Pagan's history before the advent of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم), we realize that Pagans knew about Allah as Supreme God, as they were the descendants of Prophet Ibrahim ( علیھ السلا م ) and Ismail ( علیھ السلا م ).
It is Quran - قُلْ مَن يَرْزُقُكُم مِّنَ السَّمَاءِ وَالْأَرْضِ أَمَّن يَمْلِكُ السَّمْعَ وَالْأَبْصَارَ وَمَن يُخْرِجُ الْحَيَّ مِنَ الْمَيِّتِ وَيُخْرِجُ الْمَيِّتَ مِنَ الْحَيِّ وَمَن يُدَبِّرُ الْأَمْرَ ۚ فَسَيَقُولُونَ اللَّهُ ۚ فَقُلْ أَفَلَا تَتَّقُونَ [Meaning - "Say, Who is it that gives you all sustenance from the sky and earth, governs sight and hearing, brings forth life from the dead and death from the living and plans the affairs of man? ' They will all say Allah" (Younus - 31)
It is in Quran - وَلَئِن سَأَلْتَهُم مَّنْ خَلَقَهُمْ لَيَقُولُنَّ اللَّهُ ۖ [Meaning - If you ask them who created them, they would surely say Allah]. (Az-Zukhruf - 87)
But they believed that Allah was a Sky God with human like limbs who is sitting over the skies. They made a replica of their imaginary Sky God and named it "Hubul" and considered that Hubul represented their Sky God in physical looks and that worship of Hubul was actually the worship of their Sky God. This is the reason, Hubul was considered as the Greatest of all Idol Gods by Makkan Pagans. They were scared of Hubul, therefore, they used to sacrifice animals and pour the blood on the Idol to please him.
When Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) explained to Pagans, and to the whole world, the reality of Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ), the creator of this Cosmos, the pagans objected, because the concept of Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) as explained by Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) did not match with their concept of Sky God. Though they considered their Sky God as Supreme, but they held other Gods in great reverence because they considered them to be responsible for various works in the cosmos. Read the concept of Prostration in Islam
They believed that other Idol Gods had special status, and thus could intercede with their Sky God or Hubul for them.
It is in Quran - مَا نَعْبُدُهُمْ إِلَّا لِيُقَرِّبُونَا إِلَى اللَّهِ [Meaning - We only worships them so that they may bring us closer to Allah.] (Az-Zumur - 3)
Factual Tawheed explained by Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم )
It is in Quran - لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ ۖ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْبَصِيرُ ( Meaning - 'There is nothing is like Him and He is all Hearer and all Seer' (Ash-Shura - 11).
It is in Hadith - Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) said "There was Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) and nothing existed but Him". He existed from eternity and there was nothing else." (Bukhari, Baihaqi).
The above Hadith rejects the Pagan faith.
It is important for a physical body to have a place to exist. When Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) existed, there was nothing, no sky, no universe then where was He sitting? There has to be place for a body to exist.
The Hadith clarifies that Allah's ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) existence is pure from the consideration of a body, form, shape, sitting, standing, etc.
Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) destroyed all 360 Idols of Ka'aba and establish that Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) is free from the considerations of shape, body, form, dwelling and other limitations.
We have written a very important Article explaining the facts about Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ). Everyone should read that article to clarify his doubts in this context. We assure all our Salafi friends that 'after reading the following Article, all their confusions about Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) will be cleared and they will Insha-Allah come back to the straight path of Islam' .
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Post by Cristal on May 18, 2013 3:44:38 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Allahumma Salli Alaa Muhammadiwn Wa Alaa Aali Muhammadim Bi adadi Kulli Zarratin-Mi ata Alfi Alfi Marratiwn Wa Barik Wa Sallim ( O Allah ! May The Beneficence be on Muhammad Sallal Laahu Ta 'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam and on the House of Muhammad Sallal Laahu Ta 'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam in a number equal to a million fold of each atom (that is created by Thee) and The blessings be, The peace on him )
Just wanna say thank you for these post brother Saalik, after reading that i understand now how wahabis and salafis are in reality......I was so so confused because they always say things like '' wearing taweez is haram (5 months ago i started wearing a taweez around my neck, someone from Chisti family gave it to me), talking with a Peer is haram, ask them for dua's is shirk.....Specially in France......
I didn't know wich way to go feel like i'm doing shirk everytime !!!! Actually when you don't know much about religion and you want to learn, sometimes you go to the masjid to learn but in France every imam in Masjid is Wahabi or Salafi. I was even afraid to talk with this person from Chisti family who gave me the taweez because of them, Because i thought that i'm going to do shirk.
I'm really happy that i found this site, it's very helpfull for me really ! I don't talk much but i read more than i talk lol this is my first post ! ( Sorry for my english actually i speak french sooo....)
I didn't know the value of duroods before, but now i read them whenever i can. Oh and here wahabi and salafis also says that we are not alowed to read others Durood and salawat because the one we can read is Durood e Ibrahim. I think now i will never listen to wahabi and salafi imams, thank God !
Oufff so they keep idols in their museums and destroys others things....It's like hypocrites peoples isn't it ? Kheyr....Thanks to All, because of you all i can learn more and more. May Allah Bless You ! Salam o lei kum !!!!
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