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Post by Ghulam Mustufa on Feb 9, 2008 23:52:02 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
With the recent controversy and mass hysteria regarding the Arch-Bishop of Canterbury's comment regarding Shariah Law for British Muslims,
..... We ask what do you think of Shariah Law, do you agree if an oppotunity arose we should encourage it, or would you prefer the legal system already in place in your country ?
Wa'assalam
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Post by madnibrother786 on Feb 10, 2008 0:58:43 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
I think those who want to adopt the shariah law should do it, but it doesnt have to be anything official! I.e at home if someone says talaaq to their wife 3x then they are divorced whether they have signed the divorce or not, then the signing bit can come after!
I think this thing in the news is just a wind up, and the media playing into peoples mind! English people are so daft! They just believe what ever comes on the media! Like media is their bible, and the pub is their religious place!
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Post by PBUH on Feb 10, 2008 2:22:07 GMT
i cant see there being a problem with this,
it would be good because it'll help solve and put into line a lot of toerags abusing the marriage system, because lets face it they dont feel that british law can touch them, so shariah in my opinion would help force them to change their ways, equal rights and all that.
Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by fatma on Feb 10, 2008 8:52:05 GMT
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i don't see a problem adopting shariah law if your a "practicing muslim" as you will already be living by those standards. i guess those that don't follow so much would find it hard to adjust but then again their own fault for not following the law of Elahi.
it would make life easier and more clear cut but there will always be opposition and criticism but then again that comes with any change doesn't it.
Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by Sister Nomee on Feb 10, 2008 13:39:19 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa SallamI also do not see a problem arising from Muslims as we should stick to the rulings of sharia law anyway, but I do see problems arising from Non Muslims well human Activists, Human rights supporters they may class certain area of sharia law against their believes etc It does saddens me that countries where Sharia law is in existence they are still facing problems crime, abuse, rape. Personally I do not see why a big issue being made by non muslims whether sharia law is enforced or not as it will not affect them these ruling apply to Muslims only!! Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu[/b]
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Post by Haarith on Feb 10, 2008 19:01:59 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu i don't see a problem adopting shariah law if your a "practicing muslim" as you will already be living by those standards. Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuMasha Allah. Nicely said sister Fatma. Wassalamu 'alaykum
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Post by madnibrother786 on Feb 10, 2008 20:50:03 GMT
I dont understand how they want it to work, do they want the whole of the UK to operate on this? Or just the muslims?
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Post by guz_Attaria on Feb 10, 2008 23:23:39 GMT
i agree that there is no problem as muslims follow the sharia law anyway but i kind of think that if the law was introduced here it wud be of benefit to muslims but also to the western ppl. for example if thieves got their hands cut of im sure they wont b stealin again unlike now where ppl jus reoffend as in my opinion the current law is leniant, and it wud solve the prison overcrowding problem, right?
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Post by muzaffar on Feb 11, 2008 2:06:05 GMT
I dont understand how they want it to work, do they want the whole of the UK to operate on this? Or just the muslims? This is the argument Naseer, the Archbishop has been taken out of context and misquoted and the media and politicians have jumped on him from a large height as usual. The AB was speaking at some academic meeting where he referred the justification only to a part of shariah which was basically the civil courts side, that deal with matters like marriage, wills, divorce, etc. We already have in the UK the many Jewish courts ''beth-din'' i think theyre called, and they deal with the same type of issues. None of this would contradict or hinder the present civil english statute, if anything it should help to reduce the overall number of sittings. The problem is the media only think of chopping hands off, and stoning when they think of shariah, they forget we already live by shariah law and rules everyday, well most of us do!! The way i see it is if the Jewish immigrants can adopt and adminster their own laws and courts then whats wrong with muslims doing so, ohh thats right, ive just remembered jews arent muslims so its okay for them.
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Post by madnibrother786 on Feb 11, 2008 14:38:07 GMT
Well No I dont think we need to! Why do we need to make a fuss out of everything! We are fine living the way we are now! Those of us who think we are really religious, then carry it out in your own homes! Other then that the British law is contradicting the islamic law, if it was then Yes you should oppose that! Otherwise we are living fine!
Just make a fuss about getting the taxes down and the petrol prices! ;D
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Post by Hafeez on Feb 11, 2008 15:12:17 GMT
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I voted yes
This because its about time we had a shariah court, Muslims have been part of british society for the last 40-50 years, therefore our needs have to be addressed.
The bishops comments have ignited the flames of the Islamaphobes again!!!!
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Post by Muhammad Zaynul Abideen on Feb 11, 2008 18:19:33 GMT
I'm ony young so I dont quite understand it
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Post by guz_Attaria on Feb 11, 2008 18:54:54 GMT
oh right i didnt know they were just talking about part of the shariah law like the civil court, i thought it was about all the shariah law! bcoz i was watchin bbc news and they were talking about the hand cutting off and the stoning but i guess that was just the media taking subjects to da extreme.
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Post by ank92 on Feb 11, 2008 23:59:53 GMT
I think I read somewhere a few years ago that Canada amongst a few other West Non Muslim countries have adopted a Sharia Council as part of the Civil Courts to judge and ajudicate the sentence or give sentence to Muslim Criminals. After an initial voice of scepticism from the Non Muslim communities there is content now after the Muslim criminal Stats are showing a drop in crime in comparision to other communities. I would have thought the Non Muslims would be happy that Muslims are under Sharia Law hence under stiffer sentences in comparison to the holiday camp style prisons.
After the recent outcry from the ordinary joe blogg with the rise in teenage 'hoodie' crime, murder, drug and drink abuse, gun crime, muggings etc for stiffer sentencing etc I would be happy for the Sharia Law be extended for Muslims to sentence the criminals of the above crimes. This would show and prove to the non muslims communities that Sharia Law reduces crime.
I also agree with bro Muzaffar that the each time Muslims call for or in this case uncall for a right and there is uproar but in each case the Jews have always had the priviledge., ie their own state funded schools, abbatoirs, own close knit communities which are not classed as ghettos, graveyards ... Im sure Ive forgotten something... oh yes holiday on their religious days.
My answer to the poll is Yes it should be applied full for Muslims only. We would never expect or enforce Sharia Law on Non Muslims ... to do so would be an act against the Shari Law!!
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Post by Jamil on Feb 12, 2008 12:33:29 GMT
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What i find disturbing about all this furore is how disjointed the christians are, that Dr Rowan has barely had any public support from his church compatriots and fellow christian worshippers, where is the compassion and unity of the christians for their anglican leader ?
I am sure Prince Charles would have something to say on this issue but no doubt the media and the politicians would have the last say on whatever he said.
About the Poll I also agree to the implemenation of shari courts for ALL muslims.
Basically in my eye it really wouldnt take much to set these up. If it was left to me I would have each masjid to set up a counsel with the head Imam as the advisor. I think contributions from our community would easily help to set these panels up, and they would be self financing and generate more income for the masjids. If this was rigid and adhered to strictly then maybe it would get some of our more lazier brothers and sisters in the community to get off their backsides and into our masjids and to start living as a proper muslim community. Our Imams should coerce those thats dont come for salat or dont send their children to masjids to be more active, rather than just pay the usual lip service.
At the moment the roles of our Imams in our communities is non-existant ( and thats another topic) so its about time more was done by our leaders to get more people back to Islam, and i see the shari courts as a good way for people to educate themselves better for the sake of their children if not themselves.
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Post by Sohail on Feb 12, 2008 20:40:14 GMT
I think I read somewhere a few years ago that Canada amongst a few other West Non Muslim countries have adopted a Sharia Council as part of the Civil Courts to judge and ajudicate the sentence or give sentence to Muslim Criminals. After an initial voice of scepticism from the Non Muslim communities there is content now after the Muslim criminal Stats are showing a drop in crime in comparision to other communities. I would have thought the Non Muslims would be happy that Muslims are under Sharia Law hence under stiffer sentences in comparison to the holiday camp style prisons. After the recent outcry from the ordinary joe blogg with the rise in teenage 'hoodie' crime, murder, drug and drink abuse, gun crime, muggings etc for stiffer sentencing etc I would be happy for the Sharia Law be extended for Muslims to sentence the criminals of the above crimes. This would show and prove to the non muslims communities that Sharia Law reduces crime. I also agree with bro Muzaffar that the each time Muslims call for or in this case uncall for a right and there is uproar but in each case the Jews have always had the priviledge., ie their own state funded schools, abbatoirs, own close knit communities which are not classed as ghettos, graveyards ... Im sure Ive forgotten something... oh yes holiday on their religious days. My answer to the poll is Yes it should be applied full for Muslims only. We would never expect or enforce Sharia Law on Non Muslims ... to do so would be an act against the Shari Law!! Yes, canada had the Muslim Personal Law , but dont know what the reaction has been in canada ?
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Post by sajjad dar ashrafi on Feb 12, 2008 23:14:43 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
They are trying to be as negative as possible and making it sound really bad in the papers
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Post by Abdul Nasir on Feb 13, 2008 19:47:45 GMT
i think that it wont work because if we want to bring sharia law to u.k then all the other riligions will want there riligions law to be part of u.k.
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Post by Ghulam Mustufa on Feb 26, 2008 1:07:00 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuA Muslim Response .....The Archbishop and the Shari’a www.bogvaerker.dk/AMuslimResponse.htmlImam Abdassamad Clarke Ihsan Mosque, Norwich Wednesday 13th February 2008
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