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Post by sajjad dar ashrafi on Oct 6, 2008 1:00:36 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Brother Abdullah That is due to lack of education and narrow mindedness, these people (even though they are wrong) do it out of love and respect for the Aulia ALLAHs not worshipping them
Sister Fatma I did not call any one names or avoid answering his question, I said he was confused and when I said fools I meant any one who would think like that(worshipping or prostating to any one other than ALLAH TA ALLAH)
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Post by sajjad dar ashrafi on Oct 6, 2008 1:01:35 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa SallamBrother Abdullah is your next question gonna be why do we ask Aulia ALLAHs for help?
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Post by siraj on Oct 6, 2008 10:52:19 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuBrother Abdullah is your next question gonna be why do we ask Aulia ALLAHs for help? Beloved Brother Sajjad your absolutely incorrect regards tp the above question > do it out of love and respect for the Aulia ALLAHs not worshipping them <Sorry brother sajjad I believe this is disrespect & love is following their way & not in prostrating them & I believe this is not the way of Sahaba's or aulia's & this is considered bidat. & if your going to ask me that i am going to ask the next question is that is building masajid;s over graves is it okay ? Then let me tell you before that i am not going to ask anything like that (inshallah) as i know alhamdulillah that it is permissible (allowed) in islam. I Am modifying this post due to:- Sorry i Meant to say building masjid beside or around the graves I used the wrong word ( Allah know's the best ) Jazakallahu-khairan Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Oct 6, 2008 14:47:44 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Well before Abdullah Sahib & Sajjad Sahib you both start verbal war let me clear everything for you.
SAJDA IS ONLY FOR ALLAH Subhanahu wa Ta'ala
Yes Abdullah is right when he say some Sunni's do Sajda near Mazaar. This is completely Jahaliyat and Haraam in Sharia'h law.
Sajdah is of two kinds:
1)Sajda -e- Ibadah
This prostration (Sajda) is done for worshiping & is done only for Allah Azza Wajjal. This type of sajda is forbidden for any creation, it is only for Allah The Exalted
2)Sajda -e- Tahiyaat or Tazeem
This sajda is done without the intention of worship, eg: When the angels prostrated to Hazrat Sayyedina Adam alayhis 'salam & the sajdas performed to Hazrat Sayyedina Yousof alayhis 'salam by some of his family members
This type of prostration has been forbidden for us, the Ummah of Sayyedina Rasool Allah Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam it is haraam !
Kissing or touching the Mazaar Shareef is different from Sajda.
The word Sajdah in the Shari’h is meant that while doing Sajdah eight parts of the human body must touch the ground, namely both feet (toes), both the knees, both the arms (hands), nose and the forehead, with the express intention (Niyah) of doing Sajdah. Without the clear intention of Sajdah if a person lies on the ground by bending his legs and feet (as is susally done when some one feels extreme cold or he is inflicted with some ailment), this will not mean Sajdah. Therefore, to kiss the feet of the elders or pious persons is not Sajdah since it does not satisfy the conditions of Sajdah.
I hope everything is clear with both of you my beloved brother's.
JazakAllahu khayrun
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Post by sarfaraz on Oct 6, 2008 15:49:55 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
A good in-depth explanation there. This should be stickied somewhere as this question keeps coming up again and again.
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Post by madnibrother786 on Oct 6, 2008 18:25:37 GMT
excellent link to Hazrat Maulana Ilyas Attar Qadri... Mashallah. ;D
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Post by sajjad dar ashrafi on Oct 6, 2008 20:19:24 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Thats what I said it is totally wrong and haram but it is people who are not educated in Islam, and I am sure if you explained to them and taught them that they would not do it again Also these people(even though it is haram and wrong) dont worship the grave like the najdis claim
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Post by fatma on Oct 6, 2008 20:36:50 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
so brother FFS when we go to a dargah shareef and bend over and kiss the tomb and put our forhead on the stone i.e. like in Ajmer shareef near Khwaja dada's feet (i think it's the feet anyway??? ) that is permissible as we are just leaning over?
i personally have never done sajda just bent forward and kissed the blessed dehleeze of the pious.
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Oct 7, 2008 5:38:48 GMT
& if your going to ask me that i am going to ask the next question is that is building masajid;s over graves is it okay ? Then let me tell you before that i am not going to ask anything like that (inshallah) as i know alhamdulillah that it is permissible (allowed) in islam.
Buliding Masjid over Grave's is forbidden and not permissible in Islam.
Where you heard that it is permissible?
JazaKAllahu khayrun
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Oct 7, 2008 5:58:20 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa SallamThats what I said it is totally wrong and haram but it is people who are not educated in Islam, and I am sure if you explained to them and taught them that they would not do it again Also these people(even though it is haram and wrong) dont worship the grave like the najdis claim
Yes you are right br.Sajjad we should educate them and explain them that they are not doing any good's or earning reward by doing sajda near Mazaar Shareef but they are hurting the Wali-Allah.
Any one doing Sajdah-e-Tahiyah/Taazeemi is guilty of a sin and committing act of Haraam. But he is not a Mushrik or a Kaafir. He can offer repentance (Taubah) in the presence of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala.
Remember Allah azwajaal is oft forgiving and merciful.
But if they doing Sajda-e-Ibadah then it's Kufr. I am sure no one even out of ignorance or Jahiliyat do Sajda-e-Ibadah near Awliya-Allah's Mazaar.
As for Najdi's they themselve have Iblees mardood as their Shaykh!
JazakAllahu khayrun
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Oct 7, 2008 11:09:29 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhuso brother FFS when we go to a dargah shareef and bend over and kiss the tomb and put our forhead on the stone i.e. like in Ajmer shareef near Khwaja dada's feet (i think it's the feet anyway??? ) that is permissible as we are just leaning over? i personally have never done sajda just bent forward and kissed the blessed dehleeze of the pious.
In the book "Alamgiri", Bab Ziyaratil Qubur, it is said that it does not matter much if some one kisses the graves of his parents.
Sister i think you miss this important quote from my post above "The word Sajdah in the Shari’h is meant that while doing Sajdah eight parts of the human body must touch the ground, namely both feet (toes), both the knees, both the arms (hands), nose and the forehead, with the express intention (Niyah) of doing Sajdah. Without the clear intention of Sajdah if a person lies on the ground by bending his legs and feet (as is susally done when some one feels extreme cold or he is inflicted with some ailment), this will not mean Sajdah. Therefore, to kiss the feet of the elders or pious persons is not Sajdah since it does not satisfy the conditions of Sajdah."!
Charo Taraf Budh Parasti Hee Budh Parasti , Hind mein Tanha mere Khwaja Aise mein Nabbe Laakh ko Kalima Padhana Kisike Bas ki Baat nahi
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Post by siraj on Oct 7, 2008 15:51:58 GMT
& if your going to ask me that i am going to ask the next question is that is building masajid;s over graves is it okay ? Then let me tell you before that i am not going to ask anything like that (inshallah) as i know alhamdulillah that it is permissible (allowed) in islam.
Buliding Masjid over Grave's is forbidden and not permissible in Islam.
Where you heard that it is permissible?
JazaKAllahu khayrun
Sakhi Abdul Rahim ki shaan kya niraali hain Bagdadi Imamah hain Hashmi Gharana hain Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuBrother i heard from this video below 2-5 days ago searching on google but personally i dont know the person or which sect he follows , before this i also use to think its forbidden. www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPPFjjqDyLUPlease clarify the topic for me. Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Oct 8, 2008 6:47:17 GMT
Buliding Masjid over Grave's is forbidden and not permissible in Islam.
Where you heard that it is permissible?
JazaKAllahu khayrun
Sakhi Abdul Rahim ki shaan kya niraali hain Bagdadi Imamah hain Hashmi Gharana hain Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuBrother i heard from this video below 2-5 days ago searching on google but personally i dont know the person or which sect he follows , before this i also use to think its forbidden. www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPPFjjqDyLUPlease clarify the topic for me. Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
The speaker is Ammar Nakshwani a SHIA. So stay away from his speeches.
I heard the lecture , let me clear your confusion brother When he said Masjid over graves he mean's around the grave i.e. by not destroying the grave.
Like Mazaar shareef the dargah is built around the Mazaar shareef without destroying the Graves.
To stand upon the muslim grave is also not permissible.
I hope i clear off your confusion.
Feel free to ask further question , It will be better if you start a new thread for further Question.
Please remember this nacheez in your supplication's.
JazakAllahu khayrun
Yaa Rahim Huwal Rahim Haq Rahim
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Post by sarfaraz on Oct 8, 2008 9:43:31 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
I'm slightly confused here sorry. So do you mean it's allowed to build a mosque around a grave? I don't mean over it so people are walking over the grave but building a mosque and leaving the grave intact so people can't walk over it?
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Oct 8, 2008 10:58:11 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuI'm slightly confused here sorry. So do you mean it's allowed to build a mosque around a grave? I was refering toward's Masjid's in graveyard and Masjid around the shrine of awliya-Allah.. Let me clarify it further as i am short of time so cud'nt reply completely in my last post. This Year on the night Shab-e-Baraat in one of the Masjid in Mumbai 6 Mazaar Shareef were found Alhumdulillah. The Masjid was there since last 50 to 60 year's but no one knows about the Masjid, A little boy saw a dream that there are Mazaar Shareef in one of the corner of Masjid, He related the dream to his family who report it to trustees of the Masjid, When people start digging the part of the Masjid they found 6 Mazaar Shareef, Now they did'nt destroy those Mazaar but build four wall's around the area. If one find's Mazaar shareef inside Masjid, so one should not destroy the Mazaar shareef but leave that area and build the further place for Masjid. I hope this clear your confusion. JazakAllahu khayrun
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Post by sajjad dar ashrafi on Oct 9, 2008 14:06:57 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Subhanallah Shah Saab, great info there
Also brother Abdullah please be very careful of the internet as there are a lot of decieving people on there, like the video you watched on youtube, the guy has no beard (a very important Sunnah of the Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
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Post by Areff on Mar 29, 2011 12:37:01 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuIn Sawaiq al Muhriqa page 177, Imam of Ahl ul Sunnah Ibn Hajr al-Makki al-Haythami records this event that took place during Hadhrath Umar's khilafath: "Once two land owners approached Umar with a dispute. Umar called 'Ali and asked that he resolve the matter. Imam 'Ali resolved the dispute, and one of the individuals said, 'This man ['Ali] is going to decide between us?' Upon hearing this Hadhrath Umar grabbed the individual by the collar and said 'Don't you know who this individual is? He is the Maula of me, you and all Momin's, and whoever does NOT take him to be his Maula is not a momin (believer)" * Nisa-i, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Tirmidhi, Tibrani, Tabari, and Hakim have mentioned the following words also: "Man kuntu mawlahu fa Aliyyun mawlahu Allahumma wali man walahu wa adi man adahu " Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuSubhaanallahAli Maula Ali Maula Ali Maula
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Mar 29, 2011 18:03:12 GMT
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