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Post by Bint e Attar on Mar 5, 2010 19:45:35 GMT
Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuhu
Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Ya Rasoolallah Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam
Point by Point Reply to Majlis-ul-Ulma by Moulana Abdun Nabi Hamidi (Sunni Ulema Council – Transvaal)
FOURTH OBJECTION
Meelad functions are declared Haraam because of the following reason: “Qawwali - Music at Meelad functions”.
OUR ANSWER
This is another baseless accusation. I have never observed any function of Meelad in which Qawwali is sung. If anyone has Qawwali with music in a Meelad function then he or she should be stopped and told that it is not correct. They should be advised to put a stop to such an activity, but should not be stopped from celebrating the Meelad function.
Eid-ul-Fitr and Eid-ul-Adha are days of worship and collective happiness for the Muslims. Some people have made these days as occasions of merry-making. On Eid-ul-Fitr, people in Johannesburg get together at the Zoo Lake. Inter-mingling of sexes is seen openly. Women wear fancy make- up on their faces. Blaring music is played. No Mufti has ever issued a Fatwa that Eid-ulFitr or Eid-ul-Adha should be stopped based on the non-Shari’ activities, or that the days of Eid should not be celebrated anymore. Eid celebrations are not stopped although many Haraam activities have certainly mixed with the occasion. Why then should the Meelad celebrations be stopped?
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Post by Haarith on Mar 7, 2010 8:03:15 GMT
Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
I'm still in the process of catching up with this thread. Nevertheless very educational. JazakAllahu khayr.
Wassalamu 'alaykum
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Post by Bint e Attar on Mar 7, 2010 20:07:21 GMT
Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuhu
Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Ya Rasoolallah Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam
Point by Point Reply to Majlis-ul-Ulma by Moulana Abdun Nabi Hamidi (Sunni Ulema Council – Transvaal)
FIFTH OBJECTION
Meelad function is declared Haraam because of the following reason: “Reciting of verses which transgress the limits of legitimate praise, thus assigning a position of divinity to our Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam).”
OUR ANSWER
Here is another lie and false accusation. We believe that if anyone writes or says anything which proves Divinity to our Rasool (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), then that person is a Kaafir and Mushrik. Majlisul Ulama failed to furnish any proof of the blasphemous verse being sung. This is another accusation based on assumption. This type of baseless accusation are not suitable at all for those who claim to be learned.
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Post by Bint e Attar on Mar 9, 2010 9:42:13 GMT
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Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Ya Rasoolallah Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa SallamPoint by Point Reply to Majlis-ul-Ulma by Moulana Abdun Nabi Hamidi (Sunni Ulema Council – Transvaal) SIXTH OBJECTION Meelad function is declared Haraam and an evil Bid’at because of the following reason: “The congregation of various types of people such as fussaaq (open and rebellious sinners), immoral people with evil intentions, etc.)” OUR ANSWER Before I answer this objection, I would like to ask all the Ulema of Deoband - you say that the Prophet's and the Awliya do not have Knowledge of the Unseen, since when do you have the Knowledge of the Unseen for you are able to see the good or evil intentions of people? Can you say with certainty that not one amongst all those thousands of people who attend the Ijtimais an open sinner? I am sure that you cannot because this type of claim can only be done via Wahi (Revelation). Many sinners definitely attend the Ijtima. Why then you do not issue the Fatwa that Ijtima and partaking in the Ijtima is Haraam and an evil Bid’at? If an open sinner recites Quraan, will you stop the recitation because the sinner is participating in the recitation of the Quraan? So if any sinner attends the Meelad function, why then does the Meelad function become Haraam and an evil Bid’at? to be continued.. InshaAllah Azwajal..
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Post by Sayyedah 777 on Mar 10, 2010 10:25:41 GMT
jazakALLAH hairan 4 sis bint e attar.....4 quoting such nice inf.
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Post by Bint e Attar on Mar 11, 2010 8:03:35 GMT
Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuhu
Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Ya Rasoolallah Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam
Point by Point Reply to Majlis-ul-Ulma by Moulana Abdun Nabi Hamidi (Sunni Ulema Council – Transvaal)
SEVENTH OBJECTION
Meelad function is branded Haraam, un-Islamic and an evil Bid’at because of the following reason: “Singing at these functions by young boys and girls”.[/color]
OUR ANSWER
First and foremost, to describe the beautiful recitation of praises of our beloved Rasool (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) with the word “singing” discloses your hidden agenda. It is a psychological fact that if you describe something with a distasteful or vile term it will definitely not create any importance in the mind of people about what you wish to describe. Your job is to belittle all those things which lead towards the love of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam).
If Na-Baligh (immature) boys and girls read in Meelad functions, there is nothing wrong with that. Baaligha (mature) girls do not read at all in Meelad functions. If in any function a baaligha girl reads a Naat in front of the audience, that will not make the Meelad Haraam. Rather, people should be told about the illegitimacy of this act. The reading of Baligh boys in front of an audience is Ja’iz (permissable). There is no proof in Shar’iah against it unconditionally. Therefore, it should not be an issue of debate.
In many Darul Ulooms, Amard (young boys with no beard grown yet) study with adult men and they mix with each other. Sometimes, evil results of that mixing emerge as well. Why then do the Ulema of Deoband not close Darul Ulooms? If they do not wish to close their Darul Ulooms, why then do they ask us to stop the celebration of Meelad in which such danger does not even exist because young children are under the continuous scrutiny of their parents and guardians? Otherwise, explain the reason for your illogical objection!.
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Post by Bint e Attar on Mar 12, 2010 18:57:12 GMT
Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuhu
Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Ya Rasoolallah Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam
Point by Point Reply to Majlis-ul-Ulma by Moulana Abdun Nabi Hamidi (Sunni Ulema Council – Transvaal)
EIGHTH OBJECTION
Meelad is Haraam and Bid’at because of the following reason:
“Inter-mingling of sexes at such gatherings”. [/color]
We may add that Majlisul Ulama published a very interesting ruling: “Even if it is possible to screen the females completely from the man, then too, it is not possible for them to emerge from their homes to attend these functions for the simple reason that the Shari’ah has decreed that they may not emerge from their homes for even Salaah in the Masjid”. (page 17)
OUR ANSWER
This is another false accusation. Women sit in Meelad gatherings separate from men with necessary Shari’ Hijab.
Necessary Shari’ Hijab (Pardah)
The Shari’ limit of Hijab for women is that they must cover the whole body besides the face, both hands and feet. Their hair must be covered and the clothes must not be so thin that the colour of the body may be seen. In the light of the Holy Quraan, Hadith and Fiqh it is not compulsory for woman to cover the face, hands and feet from a Ghair Mahram.
(N.B.: It is Mustahab for women to cover the whole face and not Waajib) For further reference consult “Tafseer Mazhari”, Vol. 6, pg. 493; “Tafseer Kabeer”, Vol. 23, pg. 203; “ Roohul Ma’aani”, Vol. 18, pg. 128; “Khazin”, Vol. 6, pg. 68; “Abu Dawood”, Vol. 2, pg. 211; “Mishkaat”, pg. 377; “Muslim”, Vol. 2, pg. 212; “Mu’atta Imam Malik”, pg. 708; “Quduri”, pg. 246; “Kanzud Daqa’iq”, pg. 424; “Mabsoot”, Vol. 10, pg. 152-153; “Badaai-us-Sanaai’”,Vol. 5,pg.121-122
If the women attend the Meelad functions with Shar’i Hijab, which they do, and sit separately from the men, surely this is not called “inter-mingling of sexes”. Even if in a Meelad function, inter-mingling of sexes does occur, the actual Meelad celebration still will not become Haraam or an evil Bid’at. In this case, if such a thing happens then the people should be taught the correct manners.
Allama Shaami (radi Allahu anhu) states: “One must not leave visiting the graves just because some illegal activities are taking place, for example, inter-mingling of sexes. Mustahabbaat (recommended acts) should not be left out because of this type of illegal activities. It is necessary for the people to visit the graves and stop the Bid’at”. (Fatawa Shaami: Kitabul Jana’iz - Discussion on visiting the graves)
Allama Shaami (radi Allahu anhu) has stated categorically that inter-mingling of sexes will not make any Mustahab act Haraam or avoided. There were idols in the Kaaba before Makkah was conquered, but Muslims did not leave out performing the Tawaaf (circumbulation) or Umrah because of the idols. Yes, when Almighty Allah gave them the power, they eventually destroyed the idols.
When people go for Haj, there is inter-mingling of sexes at the airport, in the plane, during Tawaaf, at Mina and at Muzdalifah, yet no one puts a stop to Hajj. In Meelad gatherings, at least men and women sit separately and women are with Hijab. In the Nikah assembly, inter-mingling of sexes occurs and most of the women do not come with Shari’ Hijab. Will the Majlisul Ulama issue Fatwas condemning Nikah gathering to be Haraam? If not, why then is your entire effort spent to make Meelaad functions Haraam?
Interesting Ruling
Please read the eight objection (above) on the ruling of Majlisul Ulama and then read the our answer. There ruling is totally baseless. I wish that Majlisul Ulama could give proof of their ruling that under no circumstances may a woman emerge from her home.
Ladies Ta'leem Becomes Haram
Women belonging to the Tableeghi Jamaat have ladies Ta’leem programmmes, which takes place sometimes during the day and sometimes during the evenings. The women emerge from their homes and gather at a particular house to have their programme. If, according to the Majlisul Ulama’s argument, they cannot emerge from their homes even for Salaat, how can they emerge from their homes for ladies Ta’leem? According to the Fatwa of Majlisul Ulama, ladies Ta’leem programmes should also be considered Haraam.
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Post by Bint e Attar on Mar 14, 2010 17:24:40 GMT
Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuhu
Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Ya Rasoolallah Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam
Point by Point Reply to Majlis-ul-Ulma by Moulana Abdun Nabi Hamidi (Sunni Ulema Council – Transvaal)
NINTH OBJECTION
According to the Majlisul Ulama: “Salaat and its performance by Jamaat neglected in a mass scale”.
OUR ANSWER
To show how seriously they object to the Meelad function, the Majlisul Ulama are merely repeating their objections just to add more condemnation. Please refer to the detailed answer given under objection number 3 earlier in this thread.
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Post by Bint e Attar on Mar 14, 2010 17:26:02 GMT
Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuhu
Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Ya Rasoolallah Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa SallamPoint by Point Reply to Majlis-ul-Ulma by Moulana Abdun Nabi Hamidi (Sunni Ulema Council – Transvaal) TENTH OBJECTIONMeelad is declared Haraam and an evil Bid’at because of the following reason: “Abstention from command of Amr Bil Ma’roof and Nahy anil Munkar when these becomes necessary at these funtions”. OUR ANSWER This is another baseless accusation. It seems that the Majlisul Ulama translate “light” into “darkness”. We regard Meelad functions as the best opportunity for “Amr bil Ma’roof” and “Nahy anil Munkar”. Our Ulema take full advantage of these functions and command “Amr bil Ma’roof” and “Nahy anil Munkar” (Commanding that which is Good and Forbidding that which is Evil). The members of Majlisul Ulama do not attend Meelad functions, so how then can they say “Amr bil Ma’roof” and “Nahy anil Munkar”is not carried out at these functions? to be continued.. InshaAllah Azwajal..
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Post by Bint e Attar on Mar 16, 2010 12:15:03 GMT
Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuhu
Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Ya Rasoolallah Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam
Point by Point Reply to Majlis-ul-Ulma by Moulana Abdun Nabi Hamidi (Sunni Ulema Council – Transvaal)
ELEVENTH OBJECTION
Meelad functions are declared Haraam and an evil Bid’at because of the following reason: “Israaf or waste of money in unnecessary ventures”.
OUR ANSWER
People are served a meal at Meelaad functions. This is regarded as a waste of money by the Majlisul Ulama. On the occasion of Walimah and Aqiqah, it is Sunnah to invite people for partaking in food. Why? Because it is an occasion of happiness. When the assembly of Zikr of the beloved Rasool (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) takes place, a Muslim is happy and joyful, therefore, he invites people to partake in the food provided, he gives charity and distributes sweat meats. To feed people after an important or virtuous deed is the practice of the Sahaba. Shah Abdul Aziz Muhaddis Delwi (radi Allahu anhu) writes: “Imam Bihqi reports in ‘Sha’bul Iman’ that Ibn Umar narrated that when Hazrat Umar (radi Allahu anhuma) completed the study of Surah Baqarah with all its secrets and hints in twelve years, he slaughtered a camel, prepared lots of food and fed the Sahabah”. (Tafseer Fathul Aziz, pg. 86)
Thus, it is proven that one may feed the people after an important virtuous deed. Meelad is also an important virtuous deed in the eyes of the Believers. Therefore, the distribution of food and sweatmeats is not Israaf (waste).
We wish to remind you of the famous saying of Hazrat Ibn Umar (radi Allahu anhuma). Somebody told Hazrat Ibn Umar (radi Allahu anhuma) that there is goodness in waste. He immediately replied that to spend in goodness is not waste.
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Post by Bint e Attar on Mar 17, 2010 16:07:33 GMT
Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuhu
Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Ya Rasoolallah Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam
Point by Point Reply to Majlis-ul-Ulma by Moulana Abdun Nabi Hamidi (Sunni Ulema Council – Transvaal)
TWELFTH OBJECTION
Meelad is declared Haraam and an evil Bid’at because of the following reason: “Soliciting public funds for the upkeep and organizing of these functions”.
OUR ANSWER
The Wahabi and Deobandi public do not contribute to Meelad functions at all. Why should there be a question of this nature? In most places, Meelad functions are arranged by individual families. They do not collect funds from anybody. In some places, certain organizations arrange massive Meelad gatherings and the members collect funds only from those people who believe in Meelad and thus, contribute happily. So, we ask, what is wrong with that? Don’t you collect funds for your Tableeghi Ijtima, which is, in our view, a waste of time and Muslim resources? Hundreds and thousands of Rands are spent just to erect the structure of the stage and tent, etc. Where does that money come from? Why does the Majlisul Ulama not issue a Fatwa against Ijtima because of the use of public money? Why is the entire effort made to make Meelad Haraam only?
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Post by Bint e Attar on Mar 19, 2010 19:54:17 GMT
Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuhu
Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Ya Rasoolallah Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam
Point by Point Reply to Majlis-ul-Ulma by Moulana Abdun Nabi Hamidi (Sunni Ulema Council – Transvaal)
THIRTEEN OBJECTION
Meelad is declared Haraam and an evil Bid’at because of the following reason: “Tashabboh bil Kufaar, the celebration of birthdays and anniversaries has no connection with Islam. This is an exclusive custom of the Kuffaar. Our Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) did not celebrate birthdays and anniversaries. Nor did the Sahabah or the great learned Jurists of Islam. Such celebrations have no basis in the Shari’ah. In upholding these innovatory customs, Muslims are in fact imitating the Kuffaar and this our Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) has strictly forbidden”.
OUR ANSWER
A. The Ulama of Deoband celebrated their hundred years anniversary of Darul Uloom Deoband in which they called Indhira Ghandi who was dressed in a Sarrie. She was seated on the stage while hundreds of Ulama were seated on the ground. Was this Islamic? Early Muslims did not celebrate hundred years establishment of Islam which was far more important that the establishment of Darul Uloom Deoband. According to you, our Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) did not celebrate birthdays and anniversaries. If the Ulama-e-Deoband claim to be true followers of the Sunnah, why then did they celebrate the hundred year anniversary of Darul Uloom Deoband? Was this not a Bid’at?
According to you, every Bid’at is an evil Bid’at. Well, I suppose that it is permissible in the Shari’ah of Deoband that you may act upon evil Bid’ats sometimes or maybe there is exemption for Ulema-e-Deoband in Shari’ah as there is exemption for elite Brahaman Caste in Hinduism!
B. It is Sunnah to commemorate happiness. In order to explain this, I would like to quote a Hadith: “Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) was asked about fasting on a Monday. He Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam replied, ‘I was born on that day and Wahi (Revelation) began upon me on that day’.” (Mishkat, Kitabus Sawm, Baab Sawmut Tatawwo)
It is now proven that to keep fast on a Monday is Sunnah because Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) was born on that day. Two issues are proven from the above Hadith:-
1. To commemorate important things is Sunnah.
2. It is Sunnah to do virtuous deeds and express happiness on the birth of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). These virtuous deeds can be in the form of Badni Ibaadat (bodily worship), such as fasting and Nafil Salaah, or it can be in the form of Maali Ibaadat (worship by utilising one’s wealth for Deen), like charity, feeding and distributing sweatmeats, etc.
To brand Meelad celebrations as being similar to the act of the Kufaar is an insult to Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) and an expression of total ignorance.
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Post by Bint e Attar on Mar 21, 2010 12:11:52 GMT
Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuhu
Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Ya Rasoolallah Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam
Point by Point Reply to Majlis-ul-Ulma by Moulana Abdun Nabi Hamidi (Sunni Ulema Council – Transvaal)
FOURTEENTH OBJECTION
Meelad is declared Haraam and an evil Bid’at because of the following reason:[/color] “MAINTAINING A CUSTOM WHICH WAS ORIGINATED BY IRRELIGIOUS PERSONS.It has already been explained else where in this article that the originators of Meelad custom were irreligious persons. Six hundred years after our Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), the irreligious ruler of Irbal, assisted by irreligious learned men, invented and established this custom. Thus, those who organize Meelad functions and those who participate in them are in reality assisting to establish a practise introduced by evil men. They are aiding and abetting in the fostering of a custom which is in total conflict with the Shari’ah of Islam. It is a great crime to maintain and encourage customs and practices which were brought into being by those who had no connection with the Deen, more so, when these customs and practices are a conglomeration of un-Islamic elements”.
OUR ANSWER
Some scholars have written that Meelad was invented in the 7th century by the king of Arbal, Abu Sa’eed Muzaffar. Those scholars have explained this with the reference of Haafiz Ibn Kaseer. But this not correct. Haafiz Ibn Kaseer has mentioned Abu Sa’eed Muzaffar in detail in “Al Bidaya Wan Nihaya”. He wrote that King Abu Muzaffar used to celebrate Meelad-un-Nabi with pomp and glory, but no where has he mentioned that the King was an inventor of Meelad.
We present a complete quotation of Haafiz Ibn Kaseer for a clear understanding. Ibn Kaseer writes regarding the events of the year 630 A.H.: “Amongst pious, generous and great Kings, there was a King, Abu Sa’eed Muzaffar. He used to celebrate Meelad in Rabi-ul-Awwal. His assembly of Meelad used to be one of its kind. He was brave, a thinker, pious, just and an Aalim of Deen. Sheikh Abul Khitaab Ibn Dahya wrote a book on the topic of Meelad titled ‘At Tanweer fi Moulidil Basheerin Nazeer’. On this, the King rewarded the Sheikh with one thousand Dinars. His government remained for a long time. He died while besieging Aka. His government and his character was excellent. Those people who attended the Meelad function arranged by King Muzaffar say that in his Meelad function there used to be 5 000 roasted sheep heads, 10 000 chickens, 100 000 pieces of cheese and 30 000 pieces of sweat meats. Great Ulama and Sufis of that period participated in his Meelad assembly. His food table was open for people of all walks of life and from all areas. He used to give charity in all types of Ibaadah. He used to spend a lot on the Ibaadah of Makkah and Madina. He used to spend 30 000 Dinars in arranging water for Makkah and Madina. Charities which he gave secretly are hidden from us. May Allah send His Mercy upon King Muzaffar. He died in the year 630 A.H. in the fort of Arbal. He made a Wasiyat to be buried in Makkah but it was not carried out. He is buried in the neighbourhood of Hazrat Ali (radi Allahu anhu)”. (Al Bidaya Wan Ni haya, Vol. 13,pg. 136-137,Darul Fikr, Beirut)
The following matters arise from the statement of Haafiz Ibn Kaseer:-
1. King Abu Sa’eed Muzaffar was not the inventor of Meelad celebrations,
2. He was a pious, brave, thinker, just, an Aalim-e-Deen and not an evil man,
3. Great Ulama and Sufis of that time participated in Meelad functions,
4. He was generous and hospitable,
5. Nowhere is it said that he used to spend Baitul Maal money to celebrate Meelad,
6. People like Haafiz Ibn Kaseer regarded King Muzaffar as one of the great kings amongst Muslim Kings.
Note that all the things which the Majlisul Ulama have mentioned about King Muzaffar are without any reference, therefore, making them unreliable. We have given our references in detail. You may check the original source.
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Post by Bint e Attar on Mar 24, 2010 21:33:21 GMT
Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuhu
Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Ya Rasoolallah Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa SallamPoint by Point Reply to Majlis-ul-Ulma by Moulana Abdun Nabi Hamidi (Sunni Ulema Council – Transvaal) FIFTEENTH OBJECTIONMeelad functions are branded Haraam and un-Islamic because of the following reasons: “Reviling and branding as unbelievers and heretics those who do not participate in these functions”. OUR ANSWER This is another lie and baseless accusation. This objection has already been answered under the Second Objection earlier in our book. Please see the details there. SIXTEENTH OBJECTIONMeelad function is branded Haraam because of the following reason: “Regarding the distribution of sweetmeats as essential. This too, is a further transgression committed against the Law of Allah Subhaanahu Wa Ta'ala. This custom of distributing sweetmeats at these functions is regarded as compulsory. A gross falsity in the name of Islam”. OUR ANSWER This is another lie and baseless accusation. No Sunni Muslim believes, wrote or said that the distribution of sweetmeats is compulsory. If you are certain with your claim, why then are you hiding the proof? It seems that the Deobandi Ulama have qualified in a Masters Degrees in lying, deceiving and making false accusations. Remember, this is an issue of belief. You are unable to ascertain someone's belief without that person uttering it or writing it. Why not show us who uttered or wrote that the distribution of sweetmeats is compulsory in Meelad functions? SEVENTEENTH OBJECTIONMeelad functions is branded as Haraam because of the following reasons: “The belief that the soul of our Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) presents itself at the Meelad function. This factor has already been explained under the section dealing with Qiyaam, and it was shown there how crime of Shirk is resultant on this belief”. OUR ANSWER The answer to this objection has already been explained in the section of Qiyaam. It was shown how ignorant Mujlisul Ulema are about the teaching of their own Elders.
Alhamdulillah! Thus far, we have answered all the 17 objections of Majlisul Ulema which will provide the reader with the full knowledge of the deception of Majlisul Ulema. to be continued.. InshaAllah Azwajal..
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Post by Arwah on Mar 28, 2010 14:07:03 GMT
JazakAllah Khayr For Clearing Such Misconceptions Of The Najdi ( Wahaabis/DeoBandis) With Detailed And Clear Proof With Resources! May Allah Shower Upon You And Your Family Countless Blessings! Ameen! JazakAllah Khayr Brother Bint-e-Attar!
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Post by dzaman on Apr 14, 2010 23:06:42 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Looking forward for healthy conversation regarding the issue raised.
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Post by abdulmustafa786 on Jun 5, 2010 14:37:42 GMT
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Post by Ashiq e Rasool on Feb 4, 2011 14:00:47 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAHSalla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam A Brilliant educational thread started brother Saalik, and fantastic replies, too numerous to mention all, JazakAllah Khairun too all May Almighty Allah reward you for all your effort and time in educating us all. Just shows this website is so addictive, I only came on to search for a thread I put up, years ago and started reading and felt obliged to reply to these fantastic threads, sooooo late i'd better go, Salaams to all.
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Post by Bint e Attar on Feb 6, 2011 9:35:29 GMT
Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuhu
Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Ya Rasoolallah Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam
Reply to Majlis-ul-Ulma's Other Objections! OBJECTION Majlisul Ulema wrote on page 8:- “Ibn Masood (radi Allahu anhu) heard that some people gathered in the Musjid and were reciting ‘Laa-ilaaha ilallah’ and Durood Shareef aloud. He went to them and said: ‘This (way of recital) was non-existent during the time of the Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). I regard you as innovators.’ Ibn Masood (radi Allahu anhu) repeated this over and over until the people were rejected from the musjid”. FATAWA QAADHI KHAN It must be noted here that these people were only reciting Laa-ilaaha illallah and Durood Shareef, and both these are acts of Ibaadat of a very high order. Despite this, Hazrat Ibn Masood (radi Allahu anhu) had these people ejected from the musjid and described them as innovators because they were reciting these two forms of Thikr in a manner not taught by our Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) and in a manner not practiced by the noble Sahabah of Rasulullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Further, Hazrat Ibn Masood (radi Allahu anhu) said: “This method was not in vogue during the time of Rasulullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam)”. This statement of Hazrat Ibn Masood (radi Allahu anhu) clearly means that if a form of worship was not instructed by our Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) then it will be a Bid'ah. If the Sahaba did not entertain any new systems or any new ways of worship then we have no right whatsoever of introducing into Islam any new way or form of worship. OUR ANSWER There are two answers to this misleading attempt:- 1. You are also Bid’ati and act upon Haraam as well. You shout “Naara Takbeer” during your Jalsas when the lecturer makes a good point. You do not pass Fatwa against that and do not stop that loud Zikr. Moulana Rashid Ahmed Gangohi writes: “Zikr is correct in whatever way it may be”. (i.e., loud or soft) (Fatawa Rashidia, pg. 251) According to your Fatwa, Moulana Rashid Ahmed Gangohi has become a Bid’ati. Why then do you people make so much noise about Bid’at? Your Elders are Bid’atis themselves! 2. The qoutation of “Fatawa Qazi Khan” is explained in “Fatawa Bazaazia”: “To make Zikr with a loud voice is permissible as it happens in Azaan, Khutba, Jumma and Haj. This issue is explained in Fatawa Kharia Tharaly. Whatever is mentioned in Fatawa Qazi Khan, it means harmful loudness (is Bid’at)”. (Fatawa Bazaazia, pg. 378) It became obvious from here that Hazrat Ibn Masood (radi Allahu anhu) called those people Bid’atis who were making Zikr with harmful loudness. It is possible that they may have been making loud Zikr at the time of Jamaat or that this might cause harm to the Deen. This “proof” which Majlisul Ulema presented to prove that Meelad functions are Bid’at did not help them at all. Rather it made them Bid’atis because Moulana Rashid Ahmed Gangohi wrote eight Fatawa in “Fatawa Rashidia” proving that loud Zikr is permissible. to be continued.. InshaAllah Azwajal..
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Post by Bint e Attar on Feb 8, 2011 9:36:32 GMT
Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuhu
Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Ya Rasoolallah Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam
[ OBJECTION
On page 7, Majlisul Ulama wrote (N.B. Transliterations were in Arabic):
A man sneezed in the presence of Abdullah Ibn Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) and said: “Al-Hamdu lil laahi was salaamu 'ala rasoolil laahi”.
Abdullah Ibn Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) immediately rebuked this person and said that our Nabi (Salla lahu alayhi wa sallam) taught us to recite : “Al-Hamdu lil lahi 'ala qulli haalin” when we sneezed. This Hadith has been narrated by Tirmizi.
The point which we have to ponder here, is Abdullah Ibn Umar's rebuke because this man recited was, “Salaamu 'alar rasoolil laah”, after the words “Al-Hamdu lillaahi”. In reality, the recital of the sentence was “Salaamu 'alar rasoolil laah” is an act of merit. The more we remember Rasulullah Sallal lahi alayhi wa sallam the more thawaab we get. In fact, we have been commanded to constantly offer salutations to our Nabi sallal lahu alayhi wa sallam. However despite this, Hadhrat Abdullah Ibn Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) (one of the great Sahabah) rejected this form of recitation after one has sneezed. And, the reason as explained by Hadhrat Abdullah Ibn Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) was that this formula was not taught to us by Rasulullah sallal lahu alayhi wasallam.
OUR ANSWER
From this Hadith it is proven that people should not add any thing to that what is being proven in Shari’ah. It is stated in “Durre Mukhtaar”: “Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said, ‘Do not mention me (my name) at the time of sneezing and at the time of slaughtering’”. (Durre Mukhtaar, Kitaabuz Zabaih) Therefore, the saying of that person's, “Assalaamo Ala Rasulillah” falls under the prohibited command. It was the duty of Hazrat Ibn Umar (radi Allahu anhuma) to stop that person from committing a prohibited act, and, Alhamdulilah, we also stop people from performing prohibited acts.
We say that the reason of stopping was because this man established the rule of greeting by saying “Assalaamo Ala Rasulillah” at such an occasion in which there was already a fixed rule of Shari’ah to say “Al hamdo lillah”. This was against the Shari’ah and a change in the Deen. What relation can this incident have with the celebration of Melaad Shareef? The increase and creation of good and virtuous deeds in Islam is in accordance with this Hadith, “Whosoever establishes a virtuous path in Islam will be rewarded.” (Mishkaat, Babul I’lm). This (Melaad) is not against the Shari’ah, and it does not cause a change in the Deen. In fact, it is a virtuous deed in which a person is rewarded.
In conclusion, I wish to state with regards to the Hadith of sneezing that, that person added “Assalamo Ala Rasulillah” which was in contradiction to the Nahi (prohibition) of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Therefore, Hazrat Ibn Umar (radi Allahu anhuma) did his duty and stopped him.
Practices attached to Melaad are not prohibited in Shari’ah, so to make analogy of non-prohibited practices on the prohibited practices is incorrect and based on ignorance.
Majlisul Ulama have used wrong analogies throughout their book, “Moulood and the Shari’ah”, to prove Melaad as Haraam, which makes very clear the height of their “Islamic knowledge”.
to be continued.. InshaAllah Azwajal..
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