The Muslimah and the ninja

[Haarith]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

This poll is about this picture:


(If you cannot see the image click here)

Please note that this poll is not a means to offend any of our sisters, brothers or anyone else. Rather, it is a poll to gauge the way of thought among us. What is the boundary line for Muslims between funny and offending cartoons?

Please vote and discuss. (Results will only be visible once voted)

Wassalamu 'alaykum

[MadniMunna]

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I think it is cool

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[Sag E Dargah E Jilani]

Jul 11, 2008 17:21:08 GMT MadniMunna said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

I think it is cool

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

totally agree with you brother madnimunna. nothing but cool ;D ;D

reminds me of a few sisters ;D ;D ;D

[Sister Nomee]

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ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam


At first I thought it was mocking and could be seen as offensive towards those sisters who do wear the niqaab.

I voted all depends on the intention of the creator.

Is the creator trying to give an image of Muslim women to be oppressed ?

or

Is he/she trying to say that Muslim Women are powerful and strong (which we naturally are ) as Ninja's are experts in martial art so I go with the latter and take it as a compliment.

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[musaafir]

Whats the creator of this cartoon trying to say?

is he objecting to their dress sense?

or, is he suggesting they are very good at a far eastern martial art form that has roots in witchcraft?

[PBUH]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

I am sorry but i find it offensive, It is offensive and mocking to all of our sisters who wear the niqab.
as for the intention of the person who created it, Allah knows.

Yes we can laugh at ourselves and joke but not in this way,the way Allah and the Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam intended, to gaurd our modesty and respect our sisters.

[Abid Ali Hussain]

Jul 12, 2008 0:37:22 GMT PBUH said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

I am sorry but i find it offensive, It is offensive and mocking to all of our sisters who wear the niqab.
as for the intention of the person who created it, Allah knows.

Yes we can laugh at ourselves and joke but not in this way,the way Allah and the Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam intended, to gaurd our modesty and respect our sisters.

come off it its just a harmless bit of fun, im sure some sisters i know would see it that way,so y complicate things when people arent bothered?

[sajjad dar ashrafi]

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ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

When me and my friends are talking about a lady dressed like that we refer to them as ninjas most of the times as well

[farahashrafi]

As-salaamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu
As-salaatu wasalaamu alaika Yaa Rasul Allah sallallahu alaihi wasallam

I'm afraid I agree with brother PBUH. I cringe when people refer to sisters/ladies wearing niqaab/veil as 'ninjas'. Seems as though everything is becoming a joke - you have the cartoons as an example and perhaps a lot more. Its not only young girls who may veil but mature women and the wives of Shuyukh. I wouldn't refer to the dress like that.


'O Prophet! Tell to your wives, and daughters and Muslim women, that they should keep putting a part of their wrapping covers over their faces. This is nearer than this that if they are recognized, they should not be annoyed. And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. "
www.ahadees.com/english-surah-33.html

"O Prophet! Tell your wives, your daughters and the women of the Muslims that (when they go out) to cast their cloaks over themselves. This way they will easily be recognised and they will not be harassed" (33:59)
Translation of the verse taken from the chapter on veil from the book:
"The Status of a woman in Islam in the light of the Qur'an and Sunnah" - Muhammad Imdad Hussain Pirzada.

Wasalaam

[sajjad dar ashrafi]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Since you said that sister I will Inshallah try to refrain from saying ninjas and also if I hear people saying it I will try to make them stop saying it too

[Haarith]

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

I have voted for funny, nothing wrong about it. A women in a niqab looks like a ninja, that's a fact. That's not funny but the combination with the posture is...

Wassalamu 'alaykum

[Sanam1]

Jul 13, 2008 22:04:39 GMT Haarith said:

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I have voted for funny, nothing wrong about it. A women in a niqab looks like a ninja, that's a fact. That's not funny but the combination with the posture is...

Wassalamu 'alaykum

I agree the picture with karate stuff is funny

[fatma]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

i thought it was funny i wear hijaab and jilbaab and have also tried niqaab but don't find the picture offensive in the least.

[Ashiq e Rasool]

Jul 13, 2008 16:23:50 GMT farahashrafi said:

As-salaamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu
As-salaatu wasalaamu alaika Yaa Rasul Allah sallallahu alaihi wasallam

Its not only young girls who may veil but mature women and the wives of Shuyukh. I wouldn't refer to the dress like that.

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Well said sister Farah, The blessed mothers and daughters of the Ahle Bayt dress code is the Veil I voted for not funny and mocking.

[Salman]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Is this a case that we can laugh if a muslim makes mockery of us, but call foul if a non-muslim makes fun ?

[Muhammad Adam]

Jul 13, 2008 22:04:39 GMT Haarith said:

A women in a niqab looks like a ninja, that's a fact. That's not funny but the combination with the posture is...

Wassalamu 'alaykum

i agree with you not funn but not mockin either

[gaddu]

in bangladesh poeple were it all the time but here dey can do what ever dey like
i think think it depends on what the creator of the picture thinks
it is not fars to were it but poeple still make a big deal out of it

[Sister Nomee]

Sept 13, 2008 19:45:44 GMT @gaddu said:

in bangladesh poeple were it all the time but here dey can do what ever dey like
i think think it depends on what the creator of the picture thinks
it is not fars to were it but poeple still make a big deal out of it

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[Noor e Naqshband]

I find this very offensive and mocking, yeah sometimes I just put my head down and get on with it, but admitfully its very hurtful

Not mocking for me, but the women of the Ansaar! Narrated Aisha Radi Allahu anha, Ummul Mu'minin: "Safiyyah Radi Allahu anha, daughter of Shaybah, said that Aisha Radi Allahu anha mentioned the women of Ansar, praised them and said good words about them. She then said: 'When Surat an-Nur came down, they took the curtains, tore them and made head covers of them.'" (Sunan Abu Dawud Shareef: Book 32, Number 4089)

It things like these that make it right for the non muslims to make fun of us

Shame on the person who made this picture

[sinful but yet hopeful]

spot on brother salman, if a nonmuslim said muslim ninja we would get upset but when we say it we see it as a joke, well thats why we are taken as jokes by none muslims, you dont like others calling our sisters ninjas then dont say it yourself and encourage others by sayin its just a bit of fun cos to you it is but not to the women who wear it.