APOLOGY TO OWAIS QADRI

[sajjad dar ashrafi]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

I would like to apologise to Owais Qadri because I remember maybe nearly 2 yrs ago writing a post about him saying he demanded a lot of money and did not write much good about him.
BUT after speaking to a few people who invited him to their mehfils this year I now know that it is not true, he does not demand money or ask for X amount of money, what ever he is given he accepts

[Sayyad Ayaz]

Feb 26, 2009 10:41:02 GMT sajjad dar ashrafi said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

I would like to apologise to Owais Qadri because I remember maybe nearly 2 yrs ago writing a post about him saying he demanded a lot of money and did not write much good about him.
BUT after speaking to a few people who invited him to their mehfils this year I now know that it is not true, he does not demand money or ask for X amount of money, what ever he is given he accepts

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walekum salam brother.

zajakallah brother! u felt sorry 4 what u have done.
it is very big thing.
very nice brother.. may allah guide us for what we say to our brothers with out knowing....

[Rifaii]

Mashallah, there is a video on youtube where owais raza qadri explains this issue

[Noor e Naqshband]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Mashallah! Thats a huge step, Inshallah we can all learn from this

May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala reward you for your sincere actions, Ameen!

Fi Aminillah

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

[fatma]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

could you post the link to the video brother rifaii.

[Sohail]

could it be those persons connected to owais qadri could be asking for money upfront and everyone was thinking it was Owais qadri ?

[adee]

Mashallah...

[saher]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Well said Sister Hajjan,
There is a big lesson for us to be learn.

[hal786]

Assalamu Alaykum Bhai, Can i say i am very impressed that in this day and age a brother such as your self exists. A brother such as yourself who is very honest and admits to his error made well done bhai.
Brother we need more people like your self who are very open to there mistakes made. You are very brave Brother may Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala reward you for your intentions and efforts ameen.

take care happy Milad Ul Nabi bhai
Allah Hafiz

[sajjad dar ashrafi]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

It was my job to explain the situation cause I remember saying things about him, and brother Sohail might have a point about these agents

[Anwar K]

I am/was of the same persusaion as brother Sajjad dar, but say no smoke without fire.

[Naqshbandi]

Brother Sohail it is both, the agents work with Owais Qadri, they make their cut of the money, and Owais Bhai makes his.
Here at Jamia Al hashmi the other night we were told that there was no demand made. However from other events there are stories told on both sides of the argument.
Though I am not saying whether his demanding of a fee is right or wrong.

[Anwar K]

Feb 27, 2009 23:56:02 GMT Naqshbandi said:

Brother Sohail it is both, the agents work with Owais Qadri, they make their cut of the money, and Owais Bhai makes his.
Here at Jamia Al hashmi the other night we were told that there was no demand made. However from other events there are stories told on both sides of the argument.
Though I am not saying whether his demanding of a fee is right or wrong.

a naat khwan is entitled to earn money if its his only means to support his family,but any excess should be strictly sadqa.

I am totally agaisnt naat khwans demanding fixed upfront fees and support all masjids that dont give in to these greedy demands. most masjids if not all give nazrana, plus the n. khwans receive plenty of handouts from the audience so they cant really complain.

[Sag E Dargah E Jilani]

Feb 26, 2009 10:41:02 GMT sajjad dar ashrafi said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

I would like to apologise to Owais Qadri because I remember maybe nearly 2 yrs ago writing a post about him saying he demanded a lot of money and did not write much good about him.
BUT after speaking to a few people who invited him to their mehfils this year I now know that it is not true, he does not demand money or ask for X amount of money, what ever he is given he accepts

mashallah thats great brother sajjad. very noble indeed

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

[sarfaraz]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Regardless of whether they demand money or not they're certainly entitled to it. How many of you who may have your own business do something for free for another person? I would doubt very few if any... as it takes time, money and resources.

Just the same for a naat khwan, they have to spend time reciting the naats to make sure they remember them, they have to spend a lot of their time travelling, they have to spend money getting there and who knows what other kind of preperation they need to do. So why can't they ask for some money to help cover that and the fact that they probably don't work a 'normal job'

Of course there are people who give them money during the mehfils themselves but that's not a guarantee and is from the individual person themselves.

[Naqshbandi]

Feb 28, 2009 13:59:05 GMT sarfaraz said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Regardless of whether they demand money or not they're certainly entitled to it. How many of you who may have your own business do something for free for another person? I would doubt very few if any... as it takes time, money and resources.

Just the same for a naat khwan, they have to spend time reciting the naats to make sure they remember them, they have to spend a lot of their time travelling, they have to spend money getting there and who knows what other kind of preperation they need to do. So why can't they ask for some money to help cover that and the fact that they probably don't work a 'normal job'

Of course there are people who give them money during the mehfils themselves but that's not a guarantee and is from the individual person themselves.

They are not entitled to demanding money, not at all, at one point Imams were not allowed to take money for being an Imam, then all the ulema came together and said that if this goes on then nobody will become alim, or an Imam, hence the ruling was changed.
Demanding a fee for reading naat is disliked by the majority of the ahlesunnat scholars, and therefore it is not allowed, especially when they demand large, non affordable amounts.

We cannot compare doing work for deen to our normal jobs.

There was a top discussion on this topic, on an asian channel the other week, with Mufti Muneebur Rehman sahib from the sunnis, and then a shia scholar, a deobandi scholar, and then a salafi scholar. They all agreed on parts of the discussion.

[sarfaraz]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

(To me) a naat khawn is not a neccesity but Imam is, so if I were to call them to any function that I may have organised (unlikely I know ) I would expect that I'd have to pay them for their troubles. An Imam is a different story as it is a neccesity and the person who wants to become an Imam 'should' know fullwell that they won't be able to demand money.

Maybe I'm wrong though but I would still expect to pay them for their trouble and not demand that they come to a function for free. Heck I would even pay the Imam if I needed them to attend/do something for me that makes them go out of their way to help.

[sajjad dar ashrafi]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

I have to totally disagree with brother Naqshbandi(Nothing new there ), Why are Imams not entitled to ask for money, where have you read that? how are they suppose to support their families?

Also lets not forget that a large majority of Naat Khawans are not money grabbers but do it through love but then again brother Naqshbandi has to be negative about almost everything ;D ;D

[Naqshbandi]

Mar 1, 2009 15:38:06 GMT sajjad dar ashrafi said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

I have to totally disagree with brother Naqshbandi(Nothing new there ), Why are Imams not entitled to ask for money, where have you read that? how are they suppose to support their families?

Also lets not forget that a large majority of Naat Khawans are not money grabbers but do it through love but then again brother Naqshbandi has to be negative about almost everything ;D ;D

Go ask any alim-e-deen, Mufti Abdunabi Hamidi sahib damat baraktohum aliyah when refuting the najdis, told us that at one point in history Imams were not allowed to ask for money, initially this was the case, but later the ulema changed the ruling.
So you are not disagreeing with me you are disagreeing with the fiqh in regards to which I am speaking!

Also no I am not negative, I am straight up, just sometimes the truth is a bit bitter!
I have never said that they are money grabbers, please tell me where have I said that.

[Naqshbandi]

I am not saying anything against Owais Qadri himself, just the fact that none of them has the right to demand high amounts of money.
You want to see a true naatkhwaan then take a look of the life of Mushtaq Qadri May allah have mercy upon his soul Ameen.