Terrorist Taliban blow up innocent people

[Naqshbandi]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Check this. This video is not suitable for amateurs, especially those of us who are squeamish.



Jazakallahu khayrun

[khansahib1]

Apr 4, 2009 17:54:09 GMT Naqshbandi said:

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Check this. This video is not suitable for amateurs, especially those of us who are squeamish.



Jazakallahu khayrun

It doesnt say anywhere that Taliban was behind it. So stop accusing Taliban. This video is of a Sunni/shia conflict that has raged for a long time in NWFP. And those who are behind it is Afghan goverment in cohuts with usa and its alliance. They are shias who have killed ,raped and erased many sunni villages in NWFP. They have on order of Karzai that scumbag done this. They dress up like Taliban and bomb girl shcools etc in NWFP and then they blame on Taliban ,just to defame them:

[Naqshbandi]

Infact it says everywhere it was the terrorist regime of fake muslims the najdi taliban group who done this, it was reported all over pakistan, all over the world except in the taliban world! BBc officials went, and I know exactly what you are going to argue and say that it is propoganda from governments, however it is not, I know people who have had their own personal encounters with the terror group in pakistani and afghani areas and tell me exactly what everyone says except you.

[Ridhwaan]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

How is this thread going to contribute positively on the forum? If anyone has got any idea, please share, jazakallah.

[Ridhwaan]

Lock, I can't say but fight again I can say it will cause.

[Naqshbandi]

No brother, this is an issue concerning muslims, as behaviour like this is associated and tagged with all muslims where as many of us know it is clearly not the teachings of Islam.
Also we need to know what is going on, this is a muslim country in which it is occuring and causing problems for muslim across the globe. I think this can be a healthy discussion aslong as members all stick within the forum rules and regulations.

[adee]

Apr 4, 2009 17:54:09 GMT Naqshbandi said:

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Check this. This video is not suitable for amateurs, especially those of us who are squeamish.



Jazakallahu khayrun

brother this incident happend in my town and lucky i passed that street probably 15 min before that bomb blast. It was Friday 20th Feb and i was going back to hostel...

it was a shia Janaza going toward Graveyard
intelligence agencies warn them from before that dont go in a gathering. Many sucide bomber blew their self in shia janaza, but they neglect it and went , there were around 1000+ shias and 32 shia got killed and 60+ got injuried and 1 sunni also got killed coz after blast remaining armed shia opened fire all around...

[Ridhwaan]

Apr 5, 2009 16:32:32 GMT Naqshbandi said:

I think this can be a healthy discussion aslong as members all stick within the forum rules and regulations.

You may be right but how many times have members stick to rules & regulations on similar topics. May times I see threads getting out of control and get locked without members getting the chance to reply to misunderstandings, accusations and so on.

[dust of madina]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

check this out.........

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7980899.stm

Is taliban really so cruel or is the reality something else . , the media trying to potray bad image of taliban .

what do you think brothers and sisters ? what's actually the reality ?

some years back U S troops to protect afghanistan from taliban's cruel rule entered it . but, we all know afganistan's destruction was caused more by than the taliban's rule.


ps: I am not taking taliban's side . As it is a discussion forum so wanted to know the views of brothers and sisters about taliban's reality . May be I can know something more from the members here .

[khansahib1]

Apr 5, 2009 17:54:28 GMT Ridhwaan said:

Apr 5, 2009 16:32:32 GMT Naqshbandi said:

I think this can be a healthy discussion aslong as members all stick within the forum rules and regulations.

You may be right but how many times have members stick to rules & regulations on similar topics. May times I see threads getting out of control and get locked without members getting the chance to reply to misunderstandings, accusations and so on.

Brother, its all false accusations against Taliban. You should learn from history that the kafirs have not spared Prophet Mohammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam and made up so many bad lies the past 1430 years to defame Him Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam,so why wouldnt they say bad things about Talibans???


Let me give you example .

1.

They said that Talibans were against girl schools well this is a lie as I contacted Swedish Commite For Afghanistan who done a survey about this and they found out that 385 girl schools were open with Taliban blessing .Here is the email I sent them and the reply I got:

To: [e-mail]
Subject: Info about a Survey

Dear sir / madam

A few years back I read on your internet site www.swedishcommittee.org a survey where your organisation had done a survey in the provinces of Afghanistan during Taliban reign. The survey found out that there were as much as 385 girl schools open with the blessing of Taliban. And I recently read on the net an article of a danish journalist name Eva Arnvig who mentions your organisation. My question is where is that file of that survey on your net site now? And can you please confimr to me in an email that indeed these girl schools were open ?

And at that time there was a lady called Pia Carlson working for your organisation.Can I have her email so I can adress my question directly to her as she was in Afghanistan during Taliban at time.

Thank you very much

This is what they replied to me:

From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: Info about a Survey
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:44:27 +0430


Dear Sir

Just to correct one thing and that is there were about 38,000 girls attending SCA supported schools during Taliban government. You have missed 3 ZEROS. The survey was made and supported by a video film of almost all schools in almost 10 provinces of the country.

SCA conducted this survey to respond the claim from Evan Bonino who was the women’s rights commissioner at EU during Taliban time and who was arrested for short while when she visited Afghanistan/Jalalabad. She claims that there no single girl attending school and there is not girls’ school in Afghanistan. While SCA had many functional girls schools and more than 38,000 girls were attending only SCA schools. Since SCA was receiving funds from Swedish Government claiming that SCA runs girls education therefore SCA had to proof this fact. We conducted the survey and produced a documentary film.



I am referring your mail to my colleague in SCA education unit and if they can help you in this regard. Although I do not know if we still have those documents because by our role we are destroying documents which are 10 years old.

Best Regards

Shah Mahmood:




And one of theyre others staff sent me the following email :

From: Amir Mohammad Mansory ([e-mail])


I would like to recommend to you below given website, where you can find a full text of a recently published PhD thesis titled:

An Afghan Dilemma: Education, Gender and Globalization in an Islamic Context. I hope you can find more interesting information and analysis on Afghan education (especially of girls’) there. The web address is:


www.diva-portal.org/su/theses/abstract.xsql?dbid=7104

To read the survey click where it says on the page :

Last ned:fulltext




2.

They said that Taliban was against dancing, music etc.. Well on this video you can see Talibans in the mountain with guns , doing the famous cultural dance of Pashtuns called "Attan" and singing as well:




Maybe Taliban banned certain things for a ceratin time, but that was due to some reasons and this is explained in this video by the Senior advisor of Mullah Omar , Syyed Rahmatullah Hashimi:

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8389315549014597692&ei=4qfWSY2fA8W2-AaknYGuCQ&q=Taliban+in+Afghanistan


And there are many other things that they blame Taliban that is not true ,but unfortunatley the muslim Ummah are falling for the lies of kuffar.

PS! Its not about taking side with Taliban or usa , but to speak what is the Truth!

[Bint e Attar]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu`

Brother khansahib1 whats ur opinion on the video posted by sister dust of madina.. ??

They said that Taliban was against dancing, music etc.. Well on this video you can see Talibans in the mountain with guns , doing the famous cultural dance of Pashtuns called "Attan" and singing as well:

isnt music haram in islam..??

[khansahib1]

Apr 8, 2009 15:33:26 GMT Bint e Attar said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu`

Brother khansahib1 whats ur opinion on the video posted by sister dust of madina.. ??

They said that Taliban was against dancing, music etc.. Well on this video you can see Talibans in the mountain with guns , doing the famous cultural dance of Pashtuns called "Attan" and singing as well:

isnt music haram in islam..??

Answer 1.

Sister , I do not know anything about the circumstances or facts of the video sister "dust of madina" posted.So I can not express any opinion.

But I would like to say that this video could be fake. You should remember that in Pakistan/Afghanistan people are poor and for a couple of dollars they will almost do anything for the money. They could have been paid by some to make this.

Earlier in time usa has made many fake videos about Taliban and osama( I am NOT supporter of wahabi/nejdi osama.I hate him) So this could be one of those videos.

But if this is a true video , I still dont know anything about WHY she is getting punished .Its one thing to hear the news beeing unfolded in kufar media and another thing when we hear the view of Talibans. Remember each story has to sides to it. So I can not say anything.

2. To my knowledge I have heard from many people that music is haram , if used to express worldy desires etc..

But if music is used to get into a trance to get closer to Allah then its allowed. This you can see example of among the Naqshbandi people :



And the Chisti Sabiree tariqat people in India using Qawaali:




And the Taliban performing "Attan",doesnt use any music instrument but sing religious Nasheed while performing that dance.

[Naqshbandi]

So brother Khansahib what is your opinion of all the pakistani sunni ulema, who have been threatened by Taliban members, who have had guns put to them, for not having their belief and because they havent joined them in the mountains or in the sufi shrines blowing themselves up.
They go round preaching not to go to shrines, and saying every other thing is biddah and shirk?

Are the ulema lying, are they being paid too? I dont think so?

Please share your opinion on this as I want to know what you think about that?

[khansahib1]

Apr 8, 2009 16:10:48 GMT Naqshbandi said:

So brother Khansahib what is your opinion of all the pakistani sunni ulema, who have been threatened by Taliban members, who have had guns put to them, for not having their belief and because they havent joined them in the mountains or in the sufi shrines blowing themselves up.
They go round preaching not to go to shrines, and saying every other thing is biddah and shirk?

Are the ulema lying, are they being paid too? I dont think so?

Please share your opinion on this as I want to know what you think about that?

SubhanAllah, I am glad that you asked so things can come into the open. Maybe you remmeber or not remember but on this topic I used to debate with our brother "king786" on this forum 6- 7 months ago. As I explained to him earlier on I will explain to you.

One has to differentiate between Talibans of Afghanistan and Talibans of Pakistan. Talibans of Afghanistan are ALL Ahle Sunnah Sufis of Naqshbandiya Mujaddadiya Tariqat. Talibans of Pakistan is a complicated story. In NWFP in Pakistan you will find Ahle Sunnah Talibans, wahabi/nejdi/deobandi Taliban.

Those who are blowing up Sufi shrines and doing "terrorist actvities" in Pakistan I do not like them at all. But those who adhere to the Ahle Sunnah is a thumbs up.

Further more you have to understand that situation in NWFP is very messed up. Many of the "terrorist activites" are made by hindu agents,jews,usa and paki agents and people bought up by kufars in order to destabalize Pakistan. So ist very hard to tel who is who there.

When it comes to Suni Ulema of Pakistan I feel abit annoyed with them . I feel majority of them should be ashamed of themselves. Reason I say this is that a year back FOUR AULIA KIRAM of Ahle Sunah Wal Jamah of QADRIYA TARIQAT in NWFP were made Shaheed by NEJDIS.

In the Janazah of those 4 , only One came to attent the Janazah.The rest of the millions of Ulemas/Aulias in Pakistan side who speaks urdu/punjabhi didnt care or bother to come down. So much zulm is beeing done to Sunnis is NWFP , not a single one of those Pakistani Ulemas have been concerned about theyre Sunni brothers in NWFP. They think Ahle Sunah Wal JAmah Aqeedah is just confined to punjab.

This is something an AULIA KIRAM from NWFP discussed with Suni Ulema and Aulia Kiram on a " MASHAYKH CONFERENCE".And also tomake my point even stronger look and hear Dr. Tahirul Qadri speak to another Alim while this NWFP Aulia is making his speech. The Profesor doesnt give a damn about keeping an attentive ear to the Aulias speech. What a moral of conduct Professor sahib:

[ank92]

I think we are talking about two different Talibans here, 'again'. Lets agree and I say this again there is a cruel savage barbaric extreme Wahabi group called the Taliban and pictures dont lie. Then there is a clean sufi type Khansahib keeps trying to bring to the forefront.

As far as the present spate of suicide bombings is concerned in Iraq, Afganistan and now Pakistan it is disgusting and unIslamic should be condemned 24/7

[Sohail]

Is the afgahn president karzai a shiah ?

[adee]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

No he is not a shia,,,,,


he is sunni....

Hamid Karzai, an ethnic Pashtun of the Popalzai clan of the Durrani tribe, was born in the village of Karz, which is located on the edge of Kandahar in southern Afghanistan. He comes from a family that were strong supporters of the former king, Zahir Shah. He has six brothers and one sister.

[asim786]

khansahib1.........its very encouraging to read that Taliban of Afghanistan (fighting against US & nato) are Sunni not the follower of notorious wahabiya cult known as deobandiya.
But thier few issues;
1) If Afghanistan Taliban are Sunni then why our Sunni Ulema dont support them publically???
Whereas deobandi ulemas like fazalur Rehman,Sami ul Haqq etc publically support them
2) If Afghanistan Taliban are Sunni then why they dont refute deobandis propaganda.....that taliban r the extension of deobandiat.
3)Why Taliban of Afghanistan dont condemn Tehreek e Talibaan Pakistan (Fitnas-->Baitullah Mehsood,Mangal Baghetc etc)

I think a single clear message (audio/video) from Mulla Umar or any top member of taleban in refutation of deobandiya wahabiya will serve the purpose.

[khansahib1]

Apr 11, 2009 5:05:19 GMT asim786 said:

khansahib1.........its very encouraging to read that Taliban of Afghanistan (fighting against US & nato) are Sunni not the follower of notorious wahabiya cult known as deobandiya.
But thier few issues;
1) If Afghanistan Taliban are Sunni then why our Sunni Ulema dont support them publically???
Whereas deobandi ulemas like fazalur Rehman,Sami ul Haqq etc publically support them
2) If Afghanistan Taliban are Sunni then why they dont refute deobandis propaganda.....that taliban r the extension of deobandiat.
3)Why Taliban of Afghanistan dont condemn Tehreek e Talibaan Pakistan (Fitnas-->Baitullah Mehsood,Mangal Baghetc etc)

I think a single clear message (audio/video) from Mulla Umar or any top member of taleban in refutation of deobandiya wahabiya will serve the purpose.

Assalamo alaykom,

1. Brother , there are many Sunni Ulema that do support Taliban but they do it behind the scenes because if they did in public they would be branded as "terrorist" ,arrested and shifted to Guantanamo bay. So they are using politics.

2. The Talibans have refuted time after time the propaganda of people associating them with deobandiyat/nejdiat. Shayk Hisham Kabbani who is Khalifa of Mewlana Shayk Nazim invited once ,Shaykh Abdur Rahman Hottak, Minister of Culture for Afghani Taliban government representative, to a SOHBET. In that Sohbet the Taliban minister is asked by Shayk Hisham Kabbani the following question:


Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: What is the influence of the Wahhabis in Afghanistan?

Afghani Representative: As far as the Wahhabi and Salafi movement is concerned, as far as being weak, they are not weak, because there are none. You can't be strong or weak if you're nothing. And as I said before, we're following the Hanafi Madhhab and we're all following tasawwuf, and these forms of fiqh, as far as the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, and these four madhhabs. But prior to this government, there was Wahhabi influence in Afghanistan, and there were leaders who were being aided strongly by Saudi Arabia, General Rahman (?) and his political party, however they have no following now.

The majority of them through faith were not Wahhabi, but economically they were Wahhabi.

And the Taliban minister also says:

Alhamdulillah, in Afghanistan we whole-heartedly agree and have always agreed with everything Shaykh Hisham said about Islam and Shari'ah and Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a. Always, from earlier times until today, we have accepted this in Afghanistan, and will always follow that way.

Alhamdulillah after 20 years of war, 20 years of fighting, 20 years of jihad in Afghanistan against the Russians and against the communist regime in Afghanistan, today we see a government in Afghanistan that is a follower of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, of Prophet Muhammad (s), and of the Naqshbandi-Mojadidi Sufi Tariqat.

This SOHBET you can read on

www.sunnah.org/audio/khutba/sohbat.html

This site is under the supervison of Shayk Hisham Kabbani him self and its Ahle Sunnah Organisation site.

Secondly here is an Al jazeera report on Taliban beeing Naqshbandi Sufis of Ahle Sunnah Wal Jamah :

alsoufia.com/video/afgan.rm

Brother , so Taliban has time after time refuted peoples claims about them beeing asscociaed with nejdis/deos, but for some strange reason the muslim Ummah is barinwashed so much that nomatter what ever proof one bring to the Ummah , they still belive in the Kuffar media and lies the Kuffars brainwash them with about Taliban.

3. To answer you third question ,you should know a bit about the Afghan ( Pashtun ) people. This ethnic group lives on both sides of the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan . There is a famous saying :

"Borders can not seperate blood"

I want to draw a paralell from this saying to one famous Hadith ( Allah forgive me for not remembering it word by word):

"The Muslim Ummah is like a body, if one part of it is in pain the rest of the body feels it"

The Pashtuns in NWFP feel the pain of theyre brothers in Afghanistan. They want to help them out , and the Afghani people need any help they can get from theyre brothers across the border,to get rid of usa and nato.

Mangal bagh and other nejdi Talibans do not have any approval of Talibans of Afghanistan. Not even in NWFP do these wahabis have any support among the Pashtuns. These two mentioned are in fact agents of usa , and they have been paid by usa to create some mischief in NWFP , so Usa could use that as a pretext to invade NWFP.

These Nejdis (MANGAL BAGH) even killed FOUR Aulia Kiram of NWFP. So the Ahle Sunnah Wal Jamah Pashtuns are just waiting for the right oppurtunity to kill these nejdis.

[khansahib1]

Apr 9, 2009 14:19:06 GMT adee said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

No he is not a shia,,,,,


he is sunni....

Hamid Karzai, an ethnic Pashtun of the Popalzai clan of the Durrani tribe, was born in the village of Karz, which is located on the edge of Kandahar in southern Afghanistan. He comes from a family that were strong supporters of the former king, Zahir Shah. He has six brothers and one sister.

Karzai is a MURTADD. He has sold his deen for dollars. Allah says in Quran :

"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. (The Noble Quran, 5:51)"




"And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."

Karzai is one of the kuffars.