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Post by nida on Jun 2, 2009 9:12:33 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhujazakallaha brothers for your replies. Now, It is confirmed that Ale Ali Radi Allahu anhu are included in ahle bait and so zakat/sadqa is unlawful (haraam) for them. Thanks very much You should still ask some scholar. yes brother, i had asked a scholar but he said that aulad e Ali Radi Allahu anhu are included in ahle bait but he also said that he did not know about the history of awans.
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Post by nida on Jun 2, 2009 9:14:28 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhui wonder why did brother musafir deleted his post This is a very complicated masala in our day and age and not as simple as what i had assumed. Especially as most Awans cant prove through proper shijra evidence of themselves actually being alawi(Aulad e ali),most just go by what their father/forefathers have told them throuigh word of mouth or by possible assumption. I have asked for it to be a put to a very eminant mufti,i will let you know what the answer is for this day and age of uncertainty. yes, that is the actual reason that made me confused. Will wait what your mufti sahib says........ Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Jun 10, 2009 10:59:24 GMT
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Post by nida on Jun 10, 2009 16:58:55 GMT
May 30, 2009, 2:35pm, ali0009 wrote: nida wrote: i am not asking about syeds brother......... If u read the whole thread , that will make the point more clear to u
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Jun 10, 2009 17:38:01 GMT
May 30, 2009, 2:35pm, ali0009 wrote: nida wrote: i am not asking about syeds brother......... If u read the whole thread , that will make the point more clear to u hmmm.. What is your exact Question.
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Post by nida on Jun 10, 2009 17:47:41 GMT
May 30, 2009, 2:35pm, ali0009 wrote: nida wrote: i am not asking about syeds brother......... If u read the whole thread , that will make the point more clear to u hmmm.. What is your exact Question. Awans in pakistan say that they are descendants of Hazrat Ali Radi Allahu anhu? Can anyone confirm it? If it is true then it means they are ahle bait and all sadqa zakat are haram for them. is it true that awans are descendants of Hazrat Ali Radi Allahu anhu? can /should we believe in it even if they have no shijrahs to show us?
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Jun 28, 2009 18:13:35 GMT
hmmm.. What is your exact Question. Awans in pakistan say that they are descendants of Hazrat Ali Radi Allahu anhu? Can anyone confirm it? is it true that awans are descendants of Hazrat Ali Radi Allahu anhu? can /should we believe in it even if they have no shijrahs to show us? Historically the A'wan tribe trace their descent to Ameer Shah, son of Qutub Shah whose family lineage is traced back to Hazrat Ali Radi Allahu anhu.
One of the greatest awliya Allah from this Awan tribe is his excellency Sultanul Arifeen Shaykh Sultan Bahu Radi Allahu anhu.
the father of Hazrat Sultan Bahu Radi Allahu anhu, Hazrat Bazid Muhammed Radi Allahu anhu was from this A'wan tribe. He was a titleholder and an office bearer in the court of the Mughals. He was a pious and devout scholar and a strict follower of the Shariat.
although Sultanul Arifeen Shaykh Sultan Bahu Radi Allahu anhu is descendanr of Sayyedina Ali Radi Allahu anhu, he never wrote Syed with his name.
Hazrat Sultan Bahu son of Hazrat Bazid Muhammed son of Hazrat Fatah Muhammed son of Hazrat Alla-radatta son of Hazrat Muhammed Tameem son of Hazrat Muhammed Mannan son of Hazrat Mogila son of Hazrat Muhammed Peera son of Hazrat Muhammed Sughra son of Hazrat Muhammed Noor son of Hazrat Sulla'a son of Hazrat Muhammed Baharie son of Hazrat Muhammed Jayoon son of Hazrat Muhammed Hargun son of Hazrat Noor Shah son of Hazrat Ameer Shah son of Hazrat Qutub Shah son of Hazrat Emmaan Shah son of Hazrat Husein Shah. son of Hazrat Firoze Shah son of Hazrat Mahmud Shah son of Hazrat Fartak Shah son of Hazrat Nawaab Shah son of Hazrat Darrab Shah son of Hazrat Awhum Shah son of Hazrat Abeeq Shah son of Hazrat Ahmed Shah son of Hazrat Ameer Zubeir son of Amir Al Momineen Hazrat Ali rizwanullahi ta'ala ajmeen.
JazakAllahu Khayrun
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Post by nida on Jun 29, 2009 8:42:23 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
jazakallha brother for this information
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Post by abbaseali on Oct 21, 2013 20:27:02 GMT
is mein confusion door ho sakti hai kay sayyed ki aulad sayyed hi ho gi. ab RASOOL E KHUDA(SAWW) ke baad beshak HAZRAT ALI(A.S) sab se baray SAYYED hain. is liay HAZRAT ALI(A.S) ki sari aulad sayyed key darjay par faiz hai.
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Post by sultanawan on Dec 19, 2014 20:54:30 GMT
Respected Nida,
AoA,
I am a Qutub Shahi Awan. I read your post and i want to clear your confusion dear.
1-As said by Hazrat Muhammad (SAWW) Zakat is Haram for All Bani Hashims which include The Aulad e Paak of Hazrat Hashim Radi Allahu anhu as:
i) : Hazrat Shaiba Abdul Mutalib Radi Allahu anhu and all the Aulad e Paak of His Radi Allahu anhu. ii) : And the other Aulad e Paak of Hazrat Hashim Radi Allahu anhu.
So concluded that Zakat is Haram on Awans and Syeds as said by Hazrat Muhammad (SAWW).
2-The Aulad e Paak of Hazrat Ali Radi Allahu anhu spreads from five sons as :
i) : Hazrat Imam Hassan Radi Allahu anhu. ii) : Hazrat Imam Hussain Radi Allahu anhu. iii) : Hazrat Abbas Alamdar Radi Allahu anhu. iv) : Hazrat Umar Altaraf Radi Allahu anhu. v) : Hazrat Muhammad Al-Akbar Hanfia Radi Allahu anhu.
The Aulad e Paak of Hazrat Imam Hassan Radi Allahu anhu and Hazrat Imam Hussain Radi Allahu anhu are called Syeds for the respect that shows that they are also Aulad e Paak of Hazrat Muhammad (SAWW). The Aulad e Paak of other sons of Hazrat Ali Radi Allahu anhu are called as Awans. The Aulad e Paak of Hazrat Abbas Alamdar Radi Allahu anhu are which are from Hazrat Qutub Shah Baghdadi Radi Allahu anhu are called as Qutub Shahi Awan OR Abbasi Alvi Qutub Shahi Awans and The Aulad e Paak of Hazrat Umar Al Taraf Radi Allahu anhu are called as Alvis or Awans. The Aulad e Paak of Hazrat Muhammad Al Akbar Hanfia Radi Allahu anhu are which are from Mir Qutub Haider Shah are called as Qutub Shahi Hanfi Alvi Awans OR Alvi Awans.
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