can it is possible to bait who is not alive?

[nomaan]

[/img]Is it allow that we can be bait to walli allah who not hayyat. Like some people says the they bait to particular sufi in dreams. Or is it possible to consider our pir with ourself without meating him? We all are great lover of Gossul vara, Khwaja Garibnawaz, etc.... It would be very good thing for to bait to the wallis like them... so is it possible to bait under them.

[Saalik]

nomaan said:

[/img]Is it allow that we can be bait to walli allah who not hayyat. Like some people says the they bait to particular sufi in dreams. Or is it possible to consider our pir with ourself without meating him? We all are great lover of Gossul vara, Khwaja Garibnawaz, etc.... It would be very good thing for to bait to the wallis like them... so is it possible to bait under them.[/quote]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

It's not exactly like this. As for the people who say so, it's preferable not to be influenced by them and not to argue on this matter. More favourable and recommended is to seek a Pir who is still here. This is like an ocean of confusion and one can accidentally fall in the trap of shaitaan.

Before taking my Bay'at, whatever I have experienced is enough for me to strongly warn anyone against even thinking about the idea of the possibility of taking bay'ah as you have heard.

How will one know who is really in the dream as shaitaan can take any appearance apart from Sayyidinah Rasoolullah Sallal Laahu Ta'alaa Alaihe Wa Sallam. One can easily and psychologically become a mureed of shaitaan without knowing.

However if this was to be done in this way those who are born Wali would not have taken Bay'ah with a living Shaikh but directly with Sayyidinah Ghawse Paak Radi Allahu Ta'alaa Anhu via spiritual contact.

[Saalik]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem


Tariqat is never without Shariat. Shariat is the door of entrance to the path of tasawwuf. Taking bay'ah with a living Murshid in zaahiri is Shariat. The Perfect Murshid is Shariat. Shariat cannot be bypassed under any pretext. The pefect way of bay'ah is via this only door, the Living Murshid.

[nomaan]

thanks..........

[hashim]

Bismillah al rahman al raheem

If a person in his childhood becomes mureed of some pir but he is not sure of whether he has become mureed or if he cannot recall who is his Pir then it is recommended for the person to take bayat on some kamil pir.

From many of the sayings of Gaus-e-Azam, we all know that he said : " who ever truly believes me as pir, on the day of judgement he will do his shafa-at".

And we also know that all of our great saints had/has pir.And also they all believes Gaus-e-Azam to be their Pir-ane-Pir.
So following the path of our great saints, it is recommended to have bayat on the hands of some pir practically and to believe Gaus-e-Azam as Pir-ane-Pir.

"Pir-ane-pir" means pir of pir.... and definetly pir of your pir is also yours pir.This chain of pir's continues till Gaus-e-Azam and from him to Rasul-allah Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Follow the path of our great sufis and become mureed practically and also believe Gaus-e-Azam as pir.

Allah hafiz

[ali0009]

Ofcrse you can take bait from your beloved influential personality who is not in physical state in this world. You'r love'd one will take bait from you in you'r dream and will guide you spiritually through them, and once a person reaches the most exalted stage after fulfilling all the requirments, you can even meet your peer in this physical world.

You can only bait one peer. You can start reading the book (if you'r desired peer has authored one) and keep reading it over and over again until you get faiz from the blessed soul. Also, you have to follow the shariat totally, A to Z without any chances of breaking it, increase your love and devotion in heart and mind and send sawab to your desired peer. inshaAllah you'll meet the blessed soul.

The noble souls are always alive, yet hidden in another world, they do know the state of our hearts.


Regards
Wa'salam