If ur pir ask u.........

[nida]

i]Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem[/i]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

It is just a question but all of u are requested to answer honestly (100%).

U have 100,000 rupees/ 1000 pounds, that u saved for any special task to be held after two months, u have no other apparent source of money to come,.........ur pir asks u to give him 50,000 rupees as he is in need. If u give money to him, then u may not be able to do ur task which is extremely important.

what u will do now?

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

[Saalik]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam


As far as I know, a Pir o Murshid will not ask for money from His mureed, especially if He is a Kaamil Wali Allah because whatever the Awliyah undergo they know it is from Allah Subhaanahu Wa Ta'alaa and they seek help in dua and sabr even though it is not prohibited for them to ask for such help from a mureed.

If however the Pir talks about his situation to a close mureed, whatever arises in the heart of His mureed He knows. There is no need for Him to ask. If the mureed gives with open heart and sincerity, the Shaikh will accept with humility (knowing it is the bounty of Allah Subhaanahu Wa Ta'alaa) and will not hurt the mureed's heart by refusing. Without being asked a Mureed (Rouhaani Son) must fulfill his obligatory duty towards his Rouhaani Parents as he would do in the case of his Father and Mother.

Now coming to the question, if the situation were to be like suggested I would have without hesitation sacrificed my need for the need of my Pir. I wouldn't have cared for what will happen as I am fully aware and have strong faith that when one becomes mureed whatever he gets as blessings in any form is from the dua of his Pir o Murshid so why hesitate to sacrifice, for His need, what has been got via His dua.

The relief, satisfaction and contentment of the Pir's Blessed Heart would be the ultimate solution to my need. It is not that as said by Sayyidinah Rasoolullah Sallal Laahu Ta'alaa Alaihe Wa Sallam, "The Heart of a Believer is the Throne of Allah," then who is the Momeen here if not the Shaikh in whose Heart is the "Throne of Allah". After all, Who is the Giver and Satisfier of All Needs if not Allah As-Samad.

[Sister Nomee]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

A good question and a brilliant reply by brother saalik.

For me personally my peer murshid would never ask for any money no matter what circumstances there were and they would consider my needs and would never ever put me into difficulties and if they did ask for financial help then I too would gladly give to my spiritual father.

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

[madnibrother786]

First you need to see if your peer is ba-sharah, ba-amal, in other words he is acting upon the fard and sunnahs, and then I would.
If the peer is not then you shouldn't.

The answer to your question is: Inshallah I would, but like sister Nomee, am in the same situation where my Peer sahib wouldnt but that burden on me inshallah.

May allah give them a long prosperous life, istiqamat on the deen, and keep their shade upon the heads of the people of ahle-sunnah. Ameen

[Fana fi Shaykh]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Excellent reply by brother Saalik Sahib , I just second that.

Our Master Sirajul Awliya Syed Ash Shah Abdul Rahim Hasnaiul Hussaini Qadiri Bagdadi Jillani Radi Allahu anhu always live his life in soltitude and Faqeeri. He was bestowed by many gift from The Nizam's of Hyderabad and he also inhereted from his father.

The great Shaykh gave away all the land and Mahal's that was given as a gift to him by king of Hyderabad which value was somewhere around 500 million$. Allahu Akbar.

The great shaykh himself use to stay in a small room after distributing all the property among poor's and needy.

Even today the Sajjadanasheen of our Shaykh stay in rented house. All the mureed want to give them land and money as a gift but the son of great Shaykh refuses while saying " Allah is sufficient for me and my family".

Sajjada Sahib further said "be firm on Sharia'h and that will be the valuable gift for me."

Jazakallahu khayrun

ISSE BADKAR KYAHOGI ISHQ KI MAIRAAJ
GAUS O KHWAJA NE PEHNAYA AAPKO KARAM KA TAJ
MERE ABDUL RAHIM KARAM NAWAZ SUFI ABDUL RAHIM KARAM NAWAZ

[Ashiq e Rasool]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Excellent replies by brother Saalik and Shah Sahib, I too would not hesitate or have doubt IF My Pir O Murshid asked, to me the sacrifise would be an honur as I know full well my Pir O Murshid would never ever ask for money from anybody and what they do recive as gifts goes all to the poor, they never keep any money donations for themselves.

[madnibrother786]

Well it doesnt matter even if they do, but it is our duty to help them and not let that embarassing time come on them. We should always donate to them baring in mind that they donot have paid jobs like us and are busy in the way of the sufia-e-kiraam. It is a way of getting a father like relationship with your peer sahib.
But you shouldnt do it so they become reliable on what you give them, but just help out whenever you feel like and can.

[heena02]

syedrehanqadri said:

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Even today the Sajjadanasheen of our Shaykh stay in rented house. All the mureed want to give them land and money as a gift but the son of great Shaykh refuses while saying " Allah is sufficient for me and my family".

Sajjada Sahib further said "be firm on Sharia'h and that will be the valuable gift for me."

Jazakallahu khayrun

ISSE BADKAR KYAHOGI ISHQ KI MAIRAAJ
GAUS O KHWAJA NE PEHNAYA AAPKO KARAM KA TAJ
MERE ABDUL RAHIM KARAM NAWAZ SUFI ABDUL RAHIM KARAM NAWAZ

Allahu akbar.

The name of Sajjadanasheen Sahib is Syed ash shah Abdul Raoof Qadiri Bagdadi Jilani Rifai Chisti mudda zilhul aali.

Jazakallahu khayrun

[Sag-e-Jilan]

syedrehanqadri said:

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Excellent reply by brother Saalik Sahib , I just second that.

Our Master Sirajul Awliya Syed Ash Shah Abdul Rahim Hasnaiul Hussaini Qadiri Bagdadi Jillani Radi Allahu anhu always live his life in soltitude and Faqeeri. He was bestowed by many gift from The Nizam's of Hyderabad and he also inhereted from his father.

The great Shaykh gave away all the land and Mahal's that was given as a gift to him by king of Hyderabad which value was somewhere around 500 million$. Allahu Akbar.

The great shaykh himself use to stay in a small room after distributing all the property among poor's and needy.

Even today the Sajjadanasheen of our Shaykh stay in rented house. All the mureed want to give them land and money as a gift but the son of great Shaykh refuses while saying " Allah is sufficient for me and my family".

Sajjada Sahib further said "be firm on Sharia'h and that will be the valuable gift for me."

Jazakallahu khayrun

ISSE BADKAR KYAHOGI ISHQ KI MAIRAAJ
GAUS O KHWAJA NE PEHNAYA AAPKO KARAM KA TAJ
MERE ABDUL RAHIM KARAM NAWAZ SUFI ABDUL RAHIM KARAM NAWAZ

Subhanallah SubhanAllah SubhanAllah!!!!!

Hum to Abdul Rahim Bagdadi Wale hain Sakhi Abdul Rahim Bagdadiwale hain

[Hafeez]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Excellent replies mas'Allah a kamil wali or Shaykh would never ask for large amounts of money unless they were going to a good cause i.e promoting Islam. But a good mureed wouldnt say "No" to his/her beloved Shaykh.

[fatma]

i wouldn't think twice but then again i can guarantee my pir wouldn't ask for anything from me. firstly we are dependent on our pir's not the other way round . what he wants is his anyway.

[sajjad dar ashrafi]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

great answer bybrothers Saalik and Shah Sahib, but sister Fatma hit the nail on the head, we need them, not they need us

[madnibrother786]

fatma said:

i wouldn't think twice but then again i can guarantee my pir wouldn't ask for anything from me. firstly we are dependent on our pir's not the other way round . what he wants is his anyway.

Mashallah subhanallah, couldnt agree more. (I should have thought of that ) ;D

[suhayb]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

I guess it all depends on your relationship with your Pir o Murshid. If you know in your heart that your Pir o Murshid was the best person for you to take Bayah with and have no doubt about their motives then by all means give, give whatever you can. I know personally if my Pir o Murshid asked me for something, without question I would do my best to give it. On saying this, as others have said I know my Pir o Murshid would not ask me for something that was beyond my means.

If for some reason you have doubts about the motive then you need to examine the relationship with your Pir, and decide whether or not they are the best for you.

Fi Amanillah

[Faizan]

The original question posed for this thread was.,

It is just a question but all of u are requested to answer honestly (100%).

U have 100,000 rupees/ 1000 pounds, that u saved for any special task to be held after two months, u have no other apparent source of money to come,.........ur pir asks u to give him 50,000 rupees as he is in need. If u give money to him, then u may not be able to do ur task which is extremely important.

what u will do now?

Good question.

Having read most of the replies I am a little confused why most of the replies have gone off in another tangent.

The question is whether in this situation we would give or not if the Pir did ask and not whether the pir is within his rights to ask or not I dont think we are really qualified to say this.

My reply to the original question is 'Yes I would give if the Pir asked me - I would give blindly and not think twice.
We should not give and then start thinking 'should I have done that?' or Should the pir have asked in the first place?' Such thoughts are from the devil and are signs of weakness.

The questioner specifically asks

ur pir asks u to give him 50,000 rupees as he is in need. If u give money to him, then u may not be able to do ur task which is extremely important.

Surely the Shaykh is testing the Mureed 'how much he/she is devoted to me, how far is he/she willing to sacrifice his/her material wealth for the Shaykh who ultimately is the mureeds means of reaching and attaining spiritual bliss linking him/her to the aspiration of each and every Ummati, which is Sultanai Madinah Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam.

Recall the Ahadith e Mubarika, when our Blessed Aqa wa Mawla Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam put The Noble Sahaba e Kiraam to test and asked for certain requirements, Hadrat Umar ibn Khattab Radi Allahu anhu brought forth in the presence of our Beloved half of their entire stock, finance and possessions but Sayyidina Siddiq e Akbar Radi Allahu anhu came in a sheet of cloth having sacrificed their entire possessions, wealth and household stock as well as the clothes they had been wearing. The splendour and glorious lips from the enlightening face of Sayyidul Mursileen Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam smiled at Hadrat Abu Bakr Radi Allahu anhu 'Oh Siddeeq, what have you left behind for your family?'
The reply from the matchless servant drenched in Ihsq for Allah's beloved Messenger Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam beyond our comprehension was.,
'Aqa, for my family I have left Allah and His Rasool'!

From this act of pure love and sacrifice Hadrat Gibraeel alayhis 'salam descended from the heavens dressed in similar fashion to Hadrat Abu Bakr Siddeeq Radi Allahu Ta'ala anho ie two white sheets of cloth pinned together with a bush thorn, with the order from the Almighty to inform all the angels to dress likewise. Thus showing Almighty Allah's pleasure with the The truthful and varacious devotee of our Blessed Nabi Kareem Alayhis Salaam.

If we swear allegiance to our Shaykh and accept him as our spiritual father then we should be ready and honoured to be at their service ready to give a sacrifice. In the olden days the mureeds and servants happily and proudly worked and toiled, served and slaved for their Shaykhs to gain their blessing and dua. And the Sufia e Kiraam and Awliya e Kiraam thus rewarded them with bounties of Deen and Dunya and blessings for the akhirah. Today we sit in the luxury of our homes and expect our Shaykh to do as we wish, even if the Shaykh does something contrary to our understanding we begin to raise doubts and then join heresay banter.


May Allah The Ultimate Protector protect us all and give us sincere love and devotion for our Mashaykh e Kiraam.

[sajjad dar ashrafi]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

ALLAH Hu Akbar brother Faizan what a great answer.
May we have even 1% of the love Hazrat Abu Bakr Saddiq Radi Allahu anhu had for their Murshid Paak Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

[treasure]

I agree! its no good having a pir and then doubting or cross examining what he tells you to do!

[sajjad dar ashrafi]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

With a true Peer you dont see a person there you see something special like a treasure, and a fake peer doesnt see a good mureed he sees $ in front of him