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Post by wanabenaqshbandi on May 6, 2007 23:59:45 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuWe were fortunate enough to be in the presence with a mureed, a khalif of Sultan ul Awliya Mawlana Shaykh Muhammad Nazim al-Haqqani (qaddas Allahu sir)... and he was saying: It is surely a sign, a great sign of the last days that the mureeds of such a Sufi Order are liars. Many of them are taking bayaah and pledging their allegiance in this way, and then are lying in all or most of their affairs. Be these of dunya or ahkira. How can we blame the jews and christians of not coming into Islam? They do not look at our Beloved Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam , they look at his followers! What do they see?... Liars... Please, stop lying for Mawlana
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Post by muzaffar on May 7, 2007 0:13:43 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
You have a valid point brother, but which 'sufi order' are you referring to in your post who are causing such fitna?
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Post by wanabenaqshbandi on May 7, 2007 0:20:25 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuYou have a valid point brother, but which 'sufi order' are you referring to in your post who are causing such fitna? In all honesty, all of them. The Orders are not the fitna, the mureeds are. They tell 'white lies' small lies big lies all types and sizes... this is not our way. I take myself as an example, and only now can I realise how difficult it is to ALWAYS tell the truth... As difficult as constantly having a hot coal in your hand... watching every last thing yout say... we must AT LEAST try, and we really should (eventually maybe) SUCCEED !!!
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Post by muzaffar on May 7, 2007 0:47:32 GMT
Brother,
you havent answered the question, which murids of 'such a sufi order' ?
Making such a general and sweeping statement is a bit out of order dont you think?
And then to reply with ''all of them''
This implies that i am a liar, but what about your shaykh and my shaykh and all the big and grand shaykhs, arent they murids too, so in essence what your saying is that they are liars as well, where do we stop ?
Yes, no-one's perfect, i am far from perfect, but i dont go round telling lies, but i do object to people making insunations and veiled posts, labelling all and sundry without thought and consideration of the consequences. You cannot tar all murids with telling lies for the sake of a few bad apples, is that what Shaykh Nazim teaches ?
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Post by wanabenaqshbandi on May 7, 2007 13:42:07 GMT
Brother, you havent answered the question, which murids of 'such a sufi order' ? Making such a general and sweeping statement is a bit out of order dont you think? And then to reply with ''all of them'' This implies that i am a liar, but what about your shaykh and my shaykh and all the big and grand shaykhs, arent they murids too, so in essence what your saying is that they are liars as well, where do we stop ? Yes, no-one's perfect, i am far from perfect, but i dont go round telling lies, but i do object to people making insunations and veiled posts, labelling all and sundry without thought and consideration of the consequences. You cannot tar all murids with telling lies for the sake of a few bad apples, is that what Shaykh Nazim teaches ? I apologise, most probably for my bad explanation. not ALL mureeds, not at all! but SOME mureeds, where these SOME are is scattered out... some are with this Shaykh and another with that one... the point is that if my being mureed is compared with that of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim for example, im a joke! im the biggest liar and hypocrite... I need to change SO much, and one of the biggest ways of such change is telling the truth always. i DONT do it, but know that i REALLY should! even before the announcement of Prophethood Sayyiddina Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam was known for being Truthful by ALL... the basic message was that we should all try to live to this example, and if we do we will surely find the truth in our Salaah's, in our recitation in Quran and most of all an untarnished truth will lead you to the Truth of All the Worlds... Haq Allah... I apologise again for any misunderstandings...
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Post by mpalla0786 on May 8, 2007 3:01:44 GMT
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