Tahir Ul-Qadri and Christmas in masjids

[Sohail]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
some bros are telling me minhaj are sending leaflets to some of their masjids saying its okay to let christians inside mosques if they want to worship, which i thought ok? but even if they want to worship christ and celebrate xmas

Shaykh-Ul-Islam Dr is a great speaker but why has he done this

[chishti]

Brother go to your local Minhaj centre and ask...or email Minhaj Ul Qur'an UK

Maybe Allaama (as i think this title should be placed before his name) Tahir Ul Qadiri understands that Islaam has become the new demon to be fought by those with a political agenda against us Muslims and wants to show christians that we don't want to chop off their heads!!

If you are a christian and you read that Muslims wanna kill you then you see how Muslims really treat you in Minhaj ul Qur'an centres then maybe the anti Muslim propaganda won't be believed.

All we read these days are fanatics like abu hamza, omar bakri, zawahiri and bin laden ordering Muslims to kill christians so maybe Prof. Sahib is launching a counter attack to defend the Deen from those who wish to hurt it - from inside and out.

[lockdown]

I think we're seeing two extremes. One is the salafi jihadees and the other is Prof sahib who is proving to be a useful propaganda tool for the wahabiya with some hideous videos on utube which as a Sunni i am ashamed of. I believe Shaykh Gibril Haddad has given a concise answer to Muslims partaking in what is essentially a pagan festival. For all the good work he has doubtlessly done I think issues like this I know many ppl who I would consider neutrals are put off sunniyat due to this. Also Minhajis suffer from the typical illness amongst most murids indo-pak in that anyone who questions him is mocked rather than answered.

Wasalaam

[Muhammad Shoaib]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

This is very disturbing. Does anyone have anymore on this.


brother chisti do you really believe what you wrote?

If you are a christian and you read that Muslims wanna kill you then you see how Muslims really treat you in Minhaj ul Qur'an centres then maybe the anti Muslim propaganda won't be believed.

[Sister Nomee]

wsohail said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
some bros are telling me minhaj are sending leaflets to some of their masjids saying its okay to let christians inside mosques if they want to worship, which i thought ok? but even if they want to worship christ and celebrate xmas

Shaykh-Ul-Islam Dr is a great speaker but why has he done this

This is the first I have heard about it, Most mosques do allow non Muslims into the Mosque to have alook around but not sure about worshipping .

Like brother chishti has said it is best to find out from the Minhajans if there is any truth in the matter, before we start accusing and making attacks on our Sunni Scholars.

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

[ampat1]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

There has been an article (in Urdu) which has appeared in a magazine called Qadiri Razvi (or a name along similar lines) which has been displayed on my local mosque noticeboard today.This article says the same thing as the leaflets that Brother Sohail has seen, namely that Allama Dr Professor Dr Tahir ul Qadri has said that it is OK to let Christians celebrate Christmas inside mosques.Furthermore it also states that he has opened up Minhaj Ul Quran centres to allow this to happen.

I do not believe it is true and will refuse to believe it until somebody shows me irrefutable proof.

Somebody of Professor sahibs knowledge knows that, as lockdown has pointed out , that Christmas is essentially a pagan festival subsumed by Trinitarian Christianity.It celebrates the birth of a person who they see as the "son of God" not the person that we revere as one of The Beloved Messengers of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala Hadrat Isa alayhis 'salam.

Although Christians are thought to be "people of the book" nevertheless if we allowed them to celebrate Christmas in mosques then to remain consistent we would also have to allow Hindus to celebrate the birth of Ram. After all for Muslims it is shirk whether you believe that Hadrat Isa alayhis 'salam is"the son of God "or believe Ram to be Bhagvan.To be fair then wouldn't you have to allow both?
I do believe Professor Sahib would be alert to all these dangers and not suggest something that flies in the face in our fundamental belief of Tawhid.

[farid s]

ampat1 said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

There has been an article (in Urdu) which has appeared in a magazine called Qadiri Razvi (or a name along similar lines) which has been displayed on my local mosque noticeboard today.This article says the same thing as the leaflets that Brother Sohail has seen, namely that Allama Dr Professor Dr Tahir ul Qadri has said that it is OK to let Christians celebrate Christmas inside mosques.Furthermore it also states that he has opened up Minhaj Ul Quran centres to allow this to happen.

I do not believe it is true and will refuse to believe it until somebody shows me irrefutable proof.

Somebody of Professor sahibs knowledge knows that, as lockdown has pointed out , that Christmas is essentially a pagan festival subsumed by Trinitarian Christianity.It celebrates the birth of a person who they see as the "son of God" not the person that we revere as one of The Beloved Messengers of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala Hadrat Isa alayhis 'salam.

Although Christians are thought to be "people of the book" nevertheless if we allowed them to celebrate Christmas in mosques then to remain consistent we would also have to allow Hindus to celebrate the birth of Ram. After all for Muslims it is shirk whether you believe that Hadrat Isa alayhis 'salam is"the son of God "or believe Ram to be Bhagvan.To be fair then wouldn't you have to allow both?
I do believe Professor Sahib would be alert to all these dangers and not suggest something that flies in the face in our fundamental belief of Tawhid.

it is true visit their website www.minhaj.org/?p=2&sp=0&id=630
i dont think this is the exact article, because the argument is comparing milad with christmas is what i have been told

[MRT]

chishti said:

Brother go to your local Minhaj centre and ask...or email Minhaj Ul Qur'an UK

Maybe Allaama (as i think this title should be placed before his name) Tahir Ul Qadiri understands that Islaam has become the new demon to be fought by those with a political agenda against us Muslims and wants to show christians that we don't want to chop off their heads!!

If you are a christian and you read that Muslims wanna kill you then you see how Muslims really treat you in Minhaj ul Qur'an centres then maybe the anti Muslim propaganda won't be believed.

All we read these days are fanatics like abu hamza, omar bakri, zawahiri and bin laden ordering Muslims to kill christians so maybe Prof. Sahib is launching a counter attack to defend the Deen from those who wish to hurt it - from inside and out.

Are you saying the good docter is not worthy of the title of shaykh-ul-islam ?

[Anwar K]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
I thought we werent allowed dr Tahir ul-Qadiri topics?

[chishti]

Brother Muhammad Shoaib wrote:

"brother chisti do you really believe what you wrote?"

Naaah bro...i always post things i don't believe in

If our beloved Prophet Sall Allaahu Aleyhi Wa Sallam let the christians into the masjid then maybe it's allowed for Prof. Sahib to....why don't the people who are against this go and speak to the Ulema of Minhaj ul Qur'an instead of being brave behind the computer and trying to prove Prof. Sahib is a heretic.

Brother Muhammad Tahir wrote:

"Are you saying the good docter is not worthy of the title of shaykh-ul-islam ?"...the reason i said that the term Alaama should be put infront of their name is out of respect as the heading of this thread just says ..."tahir ul Qadri......" and i didn't think that we should address a high ranking Sunni Aalim with such bad manners...so please don't be so paranoid....it's funny how i'm the one trying to defend Prof. Sahib and you choose to have a go at me instead of defending Sidi Shaykh Al Islaam...that's if you are who i think you are

[Sister Nomee]

anwark said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
I thought we werent allowed dr Tahir ul-Qadiri topics?

Correct!!!

JazakAllah Khayrun brother for refreshing my memory


Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu