Javed
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Post by Javed on Feb 5, 2006 1:01:58 GMT
more leaders shud speak out against the cartoons especially the rich oil countries. Actually the saudis have banned all danish products from its supermarket shelves, so have a few gulf states too.
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Post by furqaan on Feb 5, 2006 9:50:50 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu.
Just heard on the news that they burnt the Danish and Norwegian embassy in Syria last night. Also the police are investigating the banners incident on friday in london, after recieving complaints from members of the public! They said they were offensive and insulting and incited to kill and bomb. They just dont think (extremist groups) and now because of this they will be more incidents of hate-campaign against Muslims! We will just have to do sabr and be patient and live with it as best we can but dont be oppressed in to silence either! Anything relating to our religion and Huzoor-e-Pak (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam) has to be defended. It is our duty! But the right way.
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Post by Sohail on Feb 5, 2006 12:49:59 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu. Just heard on the news that they burnt the Danish and Norwegian embassy in Syria last night. Also the police are investigating the banners incident on friday in london, after recieving complaints from members of the public! They said they were offensive and insulting and incited to kill and bomb. They just dont think (extremist groups) and now because of this they will be more incidents of hate-campaign against Muslims! We will just have to do sabr and be patient and live with it as best we can but dont be oppressed in to silence either! Anything relating to our religion and Huzoor-e-Pak (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam) has to be defended. It is our duty! But the right way. This is the last thing we wanted but feelings are running high. You can almost sense the extremists will be planning something in danemark Muslims must be the most hated people, but do they expect us to sit and do nothing whilst they abuse our religion ?
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Post by Hafeez on Feb 5, 2006 19:47:25 GMT
The protest are goin' well crazy i saw in the headlines yesterday a baby joined in with the protests and this babay was wearing a hat stating "i love al-qaeda"this to me was really shocking . This is going well beyond what i ever imagined
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Post by Nudrat on Feb 5, 2006 19:56:44 GMT
The protest are goin' well crazy i saw in the headlines yesterday a baby joined in with the protests and this babay was wearing a hat stating "i love al-qaeda"this to me was really shocking . This is going well beyond what i ever imagined Yes i agree! stuff like that we could do with out! All the co-hesion and work gone into, making relationships stronger after 9/11 and 7/7 just goes down the drain because of some extreme hard- liners and the likes of B.N.P. who also will use the situation to add fuel to the fire. I still think we should protest though, with our voice and pens and the computer, the anger >:(felt by the Muslims all over the world is in our hearts , and we feel hurt and down right disgusted because you just can not go there, and insult out Payarai Nabi Muhammed Mustufa (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam).
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Post by sunni slave on Feb 5, 2006 20:15:13 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
I have heard that Arla foods in the middle east is losing £1 million a week in revenue, because of the danish boycott.
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Post by muzaffar on Feb 6, 2006 1:53:10 GMT
The protest are goin' well crazy i saw in the headlines yesterday a baby joined in with the protests and this babay was wearing a hat stating "i love al-qaeda"this to me was really shocking . This is going well beyond what i ever imagined But havent you noticed who did the protests with the terrorist banners, its Abu Hamza's henchmen, al Muhajiroon, but the worse thing is they now call themselves .... ahle Sunnah wal Jamat This is an obvious trick to blend into moderate, peaceful mainstream Islam.
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Post by aabassi on Feb 6, 2006 11:14:51 GMT
The protest are goin' well crazy i saw in the headlines yesterday a baby joined in with the protests and this babay was wearing a hat stating "i love al-qaeda"this to me was really shocking . This is going well beyond what i ever imagined But havent you noticed who did the protests with the terrorist banners, its Abu Hamza's henchmen, al Muhajiroon, but the worse thing is they now call themselves .... ahle Sunnah wal Jamat This is an obvious trick to blend into moderate, peaceful mainstream Islam. Its a disgrace if they call themselves 'ahle Sunnat' now!! They should be exposed, to the papers, arrested and deported. Preferably to guantanamo.
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Post by Musalman on Feb 6, 2006 17:01:30 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
All i want to say is the newspaper editors cry freedom of speech, and liberty ... but what about decency and morals, and respect and civil rights of others. There has to be a place where you draw the line.
And why do we have libel laws in all of these western countries ?
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Post by ahmedabad on Feb 6, 2006 20:33:31 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu All i want to say is the newspaper editors cry freedom of speech, and liberty ... but what about decency and morals, and respect and civil rights of others. There has to be a place where you draw the line. And why do we have libel laws in all of these western countries ? Well said! Is it possible to sue these newspapers .. for libel ?
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Post by Musa Kareem on Feb 6, 2006 21:25:10 GMT
But havent you noticed who did the protests with the terrorist banners, its Abu Hamza's henchmen, al Muhajiroon, but the worse thing is they now call themselves .... ahle Sunnah wal Jamat This is an obvious trick to blend into moderate, peaceful mainstream Islam. Its a disgrace if they call themselves 'ahle Sunnat' now!! They should be exposed, to the papers, arrested and deported. Preferably to guantanamo. The police must know the friday protestors, they must be caught and given jail sentences or deported. And no excuse for the syrian embassy fires.
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Post by suhayb on Feb 6, 2006 22:05:28 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,
Alhamdolillah Muslims here in NZ came out in force on sunday to protest some papers showing the cartoons here. It was a peaceful march and a good cross section of our community attended. I am saddened to here of extremist groups claiming to be Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat? Somebody needs to set the general public straight on this matter.
Fi Amanillah
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Post by Jamil on Feb 7, 2006 16:12:56 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu, Alhamdolillah Muslims here in NZ came out in force on sunday to protest some papers showing the cartoons here. It was a peaceful march and a good cross section of our community attended. I am saddened to here of extremist groups claiming to be Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat? Somebody needs to set the general public straight on this matter.Fi Amanillah Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu I think the police do know who they are. They changed their name after Omar Bakri had left them, they were known as al Muhajiroon, but now call themselves 'the saved sect' or Ahle Sunnah wah Jammat . Hoping the police will make a few arrests today.
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Post by sunniboy on Feb 7, 2006 21:19:36 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu, Alhamdolillah Muslims here in NZ came out in force on sunday to protest some papers showing the cartoons here. It was a peaceful march and a good cross section of our community attended. I am saddened to here of extremist groups claiming to be Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat? Somebody needs to set the general public straight on this matter.Fi Amanillah Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu I think the police do know who they are. They changed their name after Omar Bakri had left them, they were known as al Muhajiroon, but now call themselves 'the saved sect' or Ahle Sunnah wah Jammat . Hoping the police will make a few arrests today. Just so people know the situation regarding the 'infamous' protest by a group of so called 'Muslims' in London. Cartoon protest slogans condemned There has been widespread condemnation of a demonstration by Muslim protesters who threatened violence during a march. Shadow home secretary David Davis said some of the messages on the placards amounted to "incitement to murder". The protest on Friday in London over cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad saw slogans such as "7/7 is on its way". The police say they are studying photographs of those who attended and that arrests, if necessary, will be made at the "most appropriate time". Separate protests held on Saturday passed off peacefully. Police said more than 100 complaints had been received about the protests.
To read the full article. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4682262.stm
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Post by sunniboy on Feb 7, 2006 21:37:35 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
I just want to add that .... someone somewhere said that these protests after the publication of these insulting cartoons are just as damaging to muslims.
WRONG !!!! There is nothing more damaging, insulting to our faith, than insulting Huzoor Nabi-e-Akram (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam). Therefore, the Message that he came with is equally compromised and the religion is negated. Praising, revering, and honouring Huzoor Nabi-e-Akram (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam) establishes the faith just as the opposite tears it down. Therefore, it is our duty to support the Huzoor Nabi-e-Akram (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam) against those who defame his character. Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta'ala) makes clear the consequence of hating and insulting the beloved Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam). He says: 'Truly, he who insults you is cut off from future hope'. [Surah al-Kawthar: 3]
It is said about this verse of the Qur'an :Allah deprives of all good the one who insults the Messenger (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam). He will be deprived of his reputation and cut off from his wealth and family. He will be at loss in the Hereafter and he will not benefit from his life anything that could help him in the Eternal Abode. His heart will be cut off from all good. It will not be able to contain any goodness, neither recognising it nor inclining towards it. His works will be devoid of obedience. He will find no helpers. He will be unable to perform righteous deeds and find no pleasure in doing them. Even if he engages in such deeds superficially, he heart will not be in it.
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Post by mehboob on Feb 8, 2006 10:14:23 GMT
Hmmm interesting...
GLOBAL CATHOLIC NEWS Rome's Zenit News
Vatican Condemns Cartoons of Mohammed VATICAN CITY, FEB. 5, 2006 (Zenit.org).- The Holy See condemned the publication of caricatures of Mohammed in the Western press, as well as the violent reaction of the Muslim world.
Today in Damascus, Syrian, Muslim demonstrators torched the Norwegian Embassy and the building housing the Danish Embassy. This follows the publication in a Danish newspaper of what the protesters deemed to be 12 blasphemous cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed.
Thousands of angry Muslims protested in other cities, including Islamabad, Pakistan; Baghdad, Iraq; Khartoum, Sudan; Jakarta, Indonesia; and the Palestinian territories.
In an unsigned statement released by the Vatican press office Saturday, the Holy See stated: "The freedom of thought and expression, confirmed in the Declaration of Human Rights, can not include the right to offend religious feelings of the faithful. That principle obviously applies to any religion."
"This principle applies obviously to any religion," the Vatican said in response to several requests for the Church's position.
Provocation
Coexistence, the statement continued, calls for "a climate of mutual respect to favor peace among men and nations."
The statement continued: "Moreover, these forms of exasperated criticism or derision of others manifest a lack of human sensitivity and may constitute in some cases an inadmissible provocation.
"A reading of history shows that wounds that exist in the life of peoples are not cured this way."
The Vatican clarified that the government cannot be held responsible for the actions of the press in its country, but the "authorities might and should intervene eventually according to the principles of national legislation."
The statement also acknowledges that "violent actions of protest are equally deplorable."
"Reaction in the face of offense cannot fail the true spirit of all religion," the Vatican said. "Real or verbal intolerance, no matter where it comes from, as action or reaction, is always a serious threat to peace."
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Post by Jamil on Feb 8, 2006 13:25:15 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Two people in Afghanistan have lost their lives as a results of protests over the cartoons. Dont know if it was American troops who killed them or what ?
ina lilahi wa ina ilaihi rajioon
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Post by Abu Hafs on Feb 9, 2006 14:12:25 GMT
Assalamu 'alaykum,
Islam prohibits the ridiculing or insulting of any religion, hence Muslims worldwide expect the same treatment. Islam demands good counseling and diplomacy. Islam also teaches tolerance of other faiths. Islam also recognizes and permits the freedom of speech but restricts it with decency, showing sensitivity and rationale.
Islam is an intellectual religion and its laws are very much rational, intelligible and harmonious to the very cause and essence of human nature. Islam means peace and obedient submissive Muslims should be at peace with the natural and social environment and ultimately in peace with themselves and the Laws of Allah, Most Sublime.
Here we identify the problem. We are not in total submission, hence not in peace with ourselves. We have suppressed our godly and natural humanist outlook to life because we have changed our goals in life. We demand respect yet we show no respect. We demand tolerance yet show no tolerance. We demand justice but our actions prove otherwise. If we truly want to change the world we must change ourselves first. Only then will we see attitudes and behaviours changing towards ourselves. Our slogans ‘Islam means peace’ are very shallow and hollow.
Our anger with the published cartoons is totally justified. The editors knew very well what provocation they would stir. I'm sure it was premeditated. At the moment there are injustices on both sides. Muslims must not incite violence. It should be left upon the shoulders of those in power. The Muslim governments for once reacted swiftly and wisely by withdrawing Danish products and withdrawing their Ambassadors. We must allow diplomacy to work. Our role as common Muslims, other than mass peaceful protests should be to take this opportunity to engage in dialect in a rational and intellectual way to educate our neighbours, non-Muslim friends at schools, work, local council, government, media, journalists, etc, explaining the true nature of Islam and the Messenger of Islam, salla Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam. We must explain that they have got it totally wrong. Our Prophet, salla Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, was the greatest humanist and peaceful person ever to tread this earth. He was sent as Mercy for all the worlds, to remove oppression and indecency, violence and injustices.
The journalists behind the cartoons sparked off the precise reaction they most likely intended; to defame Islam and justify the demonizing of our Prophet, salla Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, as a terrorist. The extreme Muslim groups also responded likewise, taking this opportunity to hijack our Islam for their means of recruitment, playing on our sensitivities and emotions and politicizing the whole affair for their cause.
Many Muslims carry many angers in their hearts, and we should! There are many injustices the West is carrying out towards Muslims and in Muslim lands. But so too are our Muslim leaders and governments. Whenever incidents like this occur we take it upon ourselves to right the wrong in an un-Islamic way. We let our emotions and anger do the talking. There should be anger but measured and in a controlled way.
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Post by simnani on Feb 9, 2006 15:39:22 GMT
Assalamu 'alaykum, Islam prohibits the ridiculing or insulting of any religion, hence Muslims worldwide expect the same treatment. Islam demands good counseling and diplomacy. Islam also teaches tolerance of other faiths. Islam also recognizes and permits the freedom of speech but restricts it with decency, showing sensitivity and rationale. Islam is an intellectual religion and its laws are very much rational, intelligible and harmonious to the very cause and essence of human nature. Islam means peace and obedient submissive Muslims should be at peace with the natural and social environment and ultimately in peace with themselves and the Laws of Allah, Most Sublime. Here we identify the problem. We are not in total submission, hence not in peace with ourselves. We have suppressed our godly and natural humanist outlook to life because we have changed our goals in life. We demand respect yet we show no respect. We demand tolerance yet show no tolerance. We demand justice but our actions prove otherwise. If we truly want to change the world we must change ourselves first. Only then will we see attitudes and behaviours changing towards ourselves. Our slogans ‘Islam means peace’ are very shallow and hollow. Our anger with the published cartoons is totally justified. The editors knew very well what provocation they would stir. I'm sure it was premeditated. At the moment there are injustices on both sides. Muslims must not incite violence. It should be left upon the shoulders of those in power. The Muslim governments for once reacted swiftly and wisely by withdrawing Danish products and withdrawing their Ambassadors. We must allow diplomacy to work. Our role as common Muslims, other than mass peaceful protests should be to take this opportunity to engage in dialect in a rational and intellectual way to educate our neighbours, non-Muslim friends at schools, work, local council, government, media, journalists, etc, explaining the true nature of Islam and the Messenger of Islam, salla Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam. We must explain that they have got it totally wrong. Our Prophet, salla Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, was the greatest humanist and peaceful person ever to tread this earth. He was sent as Mercy for all the worlds, to remove oppression and indecency, violence and injustices. The journalists behind the cartoons sparked off the precise reaction they most likely intended; to defame Islam and justify the demonizing of our Prophet, salla Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, as a terrorist. The extreme Muslim groups also responded likewise, taking this opportunity to hijack our Islam for their means of recruitment, playing on our sensitivities and emotions and politicizing the whole affair for their cause. Many Muslims carry many angers in their hearts, and we should! There are many injustices the West is carrying out towards Muslims and in Muslim lands. But so too are our Muslim leaders and governments. Whenever incidents like this occur we take it upon ourselves to right the wrong in an un-Islamic way. We let our emotions and anger do the talking. There should be anger but measured and in a controlled way. Absolutely spot on.
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Post by Musa Kareem on Feb 9, 2006 19:06:00 GMT
Assalamu 'alaykum, Many Muslims carry many angers in their hearts, and we should! There are many injustices the West is carrying out towards Muslims and in Muslim lands. But so too are our Muslim leaders and governments. Whenever incidents like this occur we take it upon ourselves to right the wrong in an un-Islamic way. We let our emotions and anger do the talking. There should be anger but measured and in a controlled way. A good well thought post. But not all the muslims took to the streets and behaved unislamically.
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