Conditions for bayat to be complete?

[madnibrother786]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Salaam to all, I was just wondering that what are the conditions for bayat to be complete for an individual?

For instance if someone wants to do bayat with a certain shaykh, however his parents disapprove and want him to do bayat with the family shaykh, will that persons bayat happen or not?

Jazakallahu khayrun.

[Sag E Dargah E Jilani]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

a great question brother naseer. i wanted to ask the imam that. look forward to the replys

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

[Sajid Karim]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

A good question. First i thought its upto the individual whoever he or she wants to do bayah with, but if the family, parents and their parents have all done bayah with the same silsila, then it would be difficult if it was my son for me to approve of my kids doing bayah elsewhere, there would be no justification in my eyes.

So from a parental point of view it would make sense to keep the tradition going. But then again no-one should be forced into making bayah. Both the pir should approve and the murid should be happy!

[simnani]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

I think the correct thing to do, is both the person who wants to do the oath, and his parents go and sit in the company of both Pirs and ask direct questions. Whichever replies they feel at most ease at, should be the way to go, and everyone should be happy.

I dont think theres anything wrong if a family has murids with different shaykhs and different tariqahs, its not uncommon, just think of the barakah and untold rewards that the household receives from the different shaykhs.

[Fana fi Shaykh]

Jul 20, 2008 9:29:57 GMT madnibrother786 said:

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Salaam to all, I was just wondering that what are the conditions for bayat to be complete for an individual?

For instance if someone wants to do bayat with a certain shaykh, however his parents disapprove and want him to do bayat with the family shaykh, will that persons bayat happen or not?

Jazakallahu khayrun.

I just wanna share the advice of "Qutbul-Irshaad Siraajul-Awliya Sayyid Abul-Husain Ahmad-e-Noori Al- Husaini Al-Qaadiri Barkaati Marehrawi Rahmatullahi ’alayh"

Take Bay'at (Mureed) in your own family or the Awlaad (sons) of your family Sheikh, who is the Khilafa of his father or grandfather, or the Khulafa who had taken Bay'at on the hands of your family Sheikh. However, try your level best not to leave out the service of your family Sheikh. Have all your dealings with your own Sheikh and avoid the same relation with other Sho’yookh:

My garden does not need the shade and coolness of the elegant fir trees.

The grace of my reared box tree is not inferior to anyone else.

He further adviced ; My beloved sons! After pledging your allegiance as a Mureed of a Kaamil Sheikh, there is no need to look around for another Sheikh. This is a habit of the faithless who do not have a goal. There are some Sho’yookh (high ranking Awliya) who are exceptions to this rule. This rule is relaxed at times when a situation arises

DUNIYA KE MEHJABEEN HAIN GHAM NAHI HAIN
SANAM APNA BHI KISI SE KUM NAHI HAIN

[fatma]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

i don't see the problem as my father-in-law is a murid of the family pir

but my husband and brother-in-law have gone with the ashrafi silsila, my father-in-law had no problems with this as Hazrat Shaykh-Ul-Islam and Hazrat Ghazi-E-Millat are great shaykhs of their time and he was actually quite pleased.

best to ask the imam i think.

[fatma]

Jul 21, 2008 9:45:35 GMT Fana fi Shaykh said:

Jul 20, 2008 9:29:57 GMT madnibrother786 said:

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Salaam to all, I was just wondering that what are the conditions for bayat to be complete for an individual?

For instance if someone wants to do bayat with a certain shaykh, however his parents disapprove and want him to do bayat with the family shaykh, will that persons bayat happen or not?

Jazakallahu khayrun.

I just wanna share the advice of "Qutbul-Irshaad Siraajul-Awliya Sayyid Abul-Husain Ahmad-e-Noori Al- Husaini Al-Qaadiri Barkaati Marehrawi Rahmatullahi ’alayh"

Take Bay'at (Mureed) in your own family or the Awlaad (sons) of your family Sheikh, who is the Khilafa of his father or grandfather, or the Khulafa who had taken Bay'at on the hands of your family Sheikh. However, try your level best not to leave out the service of your family Sheikh. Have all your dealings with your own Sheikh and avoid the same relation with other Sho’yookh:

My garden does not need the shade and coolness of the elegant fir trees.

The grace of my reared box tree is not inferior to anyone else.

He further adviced ; My beloved sons! After pledging your allegiance as a Mureed of a Kaamil Sheikh, there is no need to look around for another Sheikh. This is a habit of the faithless who do not have a goal. There are some Sho’yookh (high ranking Awliya) who are exceptions to this rule. This rule is relaxed at times when a situation arises

DUNIYA KE MEHJABEEN HAIN GHAM NAHI HAIN
SANAM APNA BHI KISI SE KUM NAHI HAIN

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

i don't get it shah saab

[Fana fi Shaykh]

Jul 23, 2008 12:34:04 GMT fatma said:

Jul 21, 2008 9:45:35 GMT Fana fi Shaykh said:

I just wanna share the advice of "Qutbul-Irshaad Siraajul-Awliya Sayyid Abul-Husain Ahmad-e-Noori Al- Husaini Al-Qaadiri Barkaati Marehrawi Rahmatullahi ’alayh"

Take Bay'at (Mureed) in your own family or the Awlaad (sons) of your family Sheikh, who is the Khilafa of his father or grandfather, or the Khulafa who had taken Bay'at on the hands of your family Sheikh. However, try your level best not to leave out the service of your family Sheikh. Have all your dealings with your own Sheikh and avoid the same relation with other Sho’yookh:

My garden does not need the shade and coolness of the elegant fir trees.

The grace of my reared box tree is not inferior to anyone else.

He further adviced ; My beloved sons! After pledging your allegiance as a Mureed of a Kaamil Sheikh, there is no need to look around for another Sheikh. This is a habit of the faithless who do not have a goal. There are some Sho’yookh (high ranking Awliya) who are exceptions to this rule. This rule is relaxed at times when a situation arises

DUNIYA KE MEHJABEEN HAIN GHAM NAHI HAIN
SANAM APNA BHI KISI SE KUM NAHI HAIN

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

i don't get it shah saab

What you did'nt understand my respected noble sister.

JazakAllahu khayrun

Yaa Hasan Mujtaba alayhis 'salam

[madnibrother786]

But sister Fatma and other respected members, the situation which I am asking in regards to, is where the mother of this individual isnt in approval of his bayt, and is quiet upset with the person as to not doing bayt within the family peer.

The mother says that the shaykh you have done bayt with might be ok, but it is the family peer we wanted you to do bayt with.

Surely that individuals bayt must not have happened?

Jazakallahu khayrun

[fatma]

Jul 23, 2008 12:57:52 GMT Fana fi Shaykh said:

Jul 23, 2008 12:34:04 GMT fatma said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

i don't get it shah saab

What you did'nt understand my respected noble sister.

JazakAllahu khayrun

Yaa Hasan Mujtaba alayhis 'salam

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ok don't laugh but i have to say all of it

[fatma]

Jul 23, 2008 17:46:40 GMT madnibrother786 said:

But sister Fatma and other respected members, the situation which I am asking in regards to, is where the mother of this individual isnt in approval of his bayt, and is quiet upset with the person as to not doing bayt within the family peer.

The mother says that the shaykh you have done bayt with might be ok, but it is the family peer we wanted you to do bayt with.

Surely that individuals bayt must not have happened?

Jazakallahu khayrun

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

i didn't know that one needed their parents approval to do bayah!

i always thought that it was a personal decision between the peer and mureed.

[sajjad dar ashrafi]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Someone said that you needed the approval of your parents for Bayt to me too

[madnibrother786]

Jul 28, 2008 13:58:27 GMT sajjad dar ashrafi said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Someone said that you needed the approval of your parents for Bayt to me too

yeah and someone passed that info on to me... I wonder who? ;D

[sajjad dar ashrafi]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

You asked me