fatma
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Post by fatma on Mar 15, 2008 21:54:42 GMT
Thank you all for your help!!!Thank you sister Fatma and brother Musafir, I know that I do not have the relevant knowledge to refute this salafi. Sorry, but that is the reason why I asked for “ALL” your help!Little wonder our young generation is so confused and start following their corrupt Aqeeda! What a SHAME on me for not having the right Knowledge!!! Abu Hurayra's Two Vessels of Knowledge by Sh. G. F. Haddadwww.livingislam.org/n/ahtv_e.htmlThank you all for taking part once again. ah brother didn't mean to upset you am very sorry if it came out wrong but what i meant was that i'm sure there are others out there more willing to listen to you so why not put more energy in convincing them than wasting your precious time on this self centred salafi who isn't even worth a second glance. and like brother musafir says (although he has way more knowledge than most of us) i have no knowledge and don't try to make it seem as if i do. once again sorry if i hurt your feelings. Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by light on Mar 15, 2008 22:40:13 GMT
My dear Sis… No hard feelings! My response:Imam Abu Hanifas sanad's were nothing less than sahih themselves since he was a tabiee and there would only be 2 or 3 narrators between himself and the sahaabi e kiraam narrating it.Even if that was the case it would be weak in sanad not neccassarily in matn ,this does not mean its not a hadith, rather no muhadith in the world can dare to call even a weak hadith as a non hadith.According to usul of hadith even daeef hadith are acceptable in encouraging good and in describing fadhail and amal.Ubaydullah,which category of weaknes(daeef) does it fall under as there are near 50 different grades of daeef according to eminent muhaditheen?Ubaydullah, Do you have a strong hadith that categorically states that the sahaba had none of this spiritual knowledge at any stage of their lives?Response by Salafi:I've told you brother, that I am not going to argue with you on this.
I asked you a simple question, which you couldn't reply to but retorted with strawman arguments which were completely irrelevant to my initial request.
I took the initiative, asked a person of knowledge, got an answer and transferred it to you, hoping that you would understand it.
I have given you the reference of the Imam and reference of his book.
I am not the one who said the hadeeth had no authentic chains, but it was Imam 'Uqaily.
If you are not satisfied and want to continue arguing, then you won't find a reply from me here after this, as my previous reply was clear.
You can either check up the reference brother and move on from this discussion, or you can sit on your computer hoping to debate someone online, that is your decision.
But I assure you, that someone won't be me. I don't have the time or the resolve to engage in useless online debates and I'm sure you don't either. We can each use our time more wisely Insha'Allaah.My response:Quote: Ubaydullah,
“The Isnaad is from the Deen (religion), if it wasn’t for the Isnad anyone would say anything he wished.”
“so that you do not further lead others astray by quoting inauthentic ahadeeth, know that
Imam 'Uqaily said in al-Du'afaa' 4/455 that this hadeeth was not reported by any authentic chain of narrators. Therefore, the hadeeth you have quoted is inauthentic.”The Hadith is in:*(Fiqah Akbar, Imam Abu Hanifa; Jam –e- Qabir, Imam Suyuti)* So you are saying to me and the rest of the Muslim world that Imam Hanifa and Imam Suyuti wrote fibs in their books?And that they are inauthentic?According to you:ONE Imam says “this hadeeth was not reported by any authentic chain of narrators.” and you are saying inauthentic without your Isnaad and your context Ubaydullah? What happened? …Then the night falls and no one could tell where the victory lay? What happened to all the other “IMAMS” opinions???Quote: Ubaydullah,
“And if possible, the comments of the Imams before and after the quote from their books?”
“I'm interested in the context in which it was mentioned, and if it truly is authentic in the first place. Jazakallah Khayr.”Did anyone see this in his reply?Quote: Ubaydullah,
“Imam 'Uqaily said in al-Du'afaa' 4/455 that this hadeeth was not reported by any authentic chain of narrators. Quote: Ubaydullah,
“Therefore, the hadeeth you have quoted is inauthentic.”No Isnaad! No context! And ..............................Goodbye?“Inauthentic Hadith” … Ubaydullah?So you are saying:IT IS FALSE? we should not believe in…………..it? Throw it away….. And what about the Imams who wrote it and confirmed the Hadith in their books???Quote: Ubaydullah,
“I prefer to acquire the house in Jannah, and I say Jazakallah Khayr for providing me the opportunity to make that decision.”Questions are unanswered! Ubaydullah and Paradise is waiting?And if they belie you (O Muhammad ), so were Messengers belied before you. And to Allah return all matters (for decision). [35:4] So will one whose misdeeds are made seeming good to him - so he deems them good - be ever equal to the one who is upon guidance? Therefore indeed Allah sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills; so may not your life be lost in despairing after them; Allah knows their deeds very well.[35:8] If someone does not believe in one Hadith, question: If they say it is fabricated, nothing wrong! If they say they know for sure Muhammad (PBUH) said that, and they still reject it, they are Kafir! Quote: Ubaydullah,
“I don't have the time or the resolve to engage in useless online debates and I'm sure you don't either. We can each use our time more wisely Insha'Allaah.”Talking about the Sahaba of the Noble Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam)(PBUH) is “useless” ? “I don't have the time or the resolve to engage in useless online debates…”………..and he wants a house in Paradise?
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Post by musaafir on Mar 15, 2008 23:14:02 GMT
Why dont you just spare the guy now?
Its quite clear he does not wish to debate anymore
I would recommend a book to you called the " The Encyclopeadia of islamic doctrine " By Shaikh Syed Hisham Kibbani sahib.
Its got about 7 volumes and is quite expensive but is very useful for new debators like yourself,so buy it if you can
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Sohail
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Post by Sohail on Mar 15, 2008 23:43:53 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhuwell done brother light, the truth always wins looks like you sent him packing with his tail between his legs
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