Braking Bayah with a shaykh

[Sag E Dargah E Jilani]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Question: can one brake bayah with a shaykh?

Usually I have been told and read that once bayah has been performed then there is no going back. But then I read somewhere that as soon as one thinks that another buzurg is better then his shaykh then is bayah has broken. Also some say that you can bayah from another shaykhs if you take the permission of the first shaykh.

Also circumstances when one has offended the sajjada nasheen of the shaykh which then nullifies that bayah with the shaykh. So does that mean that one can go and do bayah with another silsila?

Jazakallah khayrun for answering my quiries in advance.

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

[Fana fi Shaykh]

Jun 10, 2009 17:23:20 GMT Sag E Dargah E Jilani said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Question: can one brake bayah with a shaykh?

yes one can break the bayah with the Shaykh when he found him not to be steadfast on Shariah.

One should only take the bayah with perfect Master and avoid the fake Shaykh's.

Usually I have been told and read that once bayah has been performed then there is no going back. But then I read somewhere that as soon as one thinks that another buzurg is better then his shaykh then is bayah has broken.

Bayah is not broken with such thought's.

But one must always consider his Shaykh to be a Perfect Master and should avoid belittleign other Shaykh's.

Also some say that you can bayah from another shaykhs if you take the permission of the first shaykh.

In our time a very serious offence is being committed whereby we find a person is a mureed of one murshid today and tomorrow of another. These acts are committed due to lack of faith by the mureed. One has to remain steadfast in the service of one master and becoming mureed of more than one murshid is unacceptable. Those who are mureeds of more than one murshid are always at a loss.

It is stated in the Holy Quran, “Allah sets an example: A servant belonging to several rude masters and one belonging solely to one master. Are they both equal in condition? All Praise to Allah, but most of them know not”. (Sura Zumar, verse 29)

Hazrat Abdul Wahab Sharaani Radi Allahu anhu states in Mizan-al-Sharia, “I heard my master Hazrat Ali Khawas Radi Allahu anhu saying that the Ulema of sharia have ordered seekers to follow only one Imam of Mazhab and the Sufi mashaa’ikh have instructed their followers to adhere to one Shaikh”.

Hazrat Khwaja Mahmood Urf Shaykh Rajan Rahmatullahi 'alayh , a great Wali of the Chisti Nizami Silsila, used to tell his mureeds that Allah will forgive all sins except Shirk (Polytheism). He warned his mureeds not to become mushrik. Someone asked him, “Who is a mushrik mureed?” Hazrat replied, “One who has two Gods is a mushrik in Shariat and a mushrik in Tariqat is one who compares another murshid equal to his murshid”. He further says, “A mushrik Pir is a murshid who attract mureeds of other murshids towards him for the sake of worldly greediness”.

One wife cant have two husband at same time same way a mureed cant have two Shaykh at same time.

Also circumstances when one has offended the sajjada nasheen of the shaykh which then nullifies that bayah with the shaykh. So does that mean that one can go and do bayah with another silsila?

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

One should not take bayah with other Shaykh but should ask forgiveness from the Sajjada and renew his bayah from his hand.

If he takes bayah with other Shaykh he will not recieve the fruit of bayah i.e. barakah and niyamah because if his own mast6er has not accepted him then how can he expect other Shaykh to accept him.

JazakAllahu Khayrun

Jahaan ke Mehjabeen hain gham nahi hain
Sanam apna kisi se kum nahi hain

[Naqshbandi]

Mashallah subhanallah great thread, and great reply brother. I have learnt alot. Jazakallahu khayrun

[nida]

just another question............. if mureed has some resentment for murshid in hi/her heart, then what will happen.

If after bayah, mureed know that murshid s fake?

[nida]

what if murshid is good and pious but doesn't have much knowledge about quran o sunnah?

[Naqshbandi]

Jun 10, 2009 21:48:46 GMT nida said:

what if murshid is good and pious but doesn't have much knowledge about quran o sunnah?

Ala hazrat Imam Ahmad Rida Khan Rahmatullahi 'alayh write he must be an alim first and know the shariat first before he can know the tareeqat. He should know everyday life issues and be able to guide his mureed.
He should be able to read one page of arabic and know what it means without any ones help.

just another question............. if mureed has some resentment for murshid in hi/her heart, then what will happen.

If after bayah, mureed know that murshid s fake?

The bayat didnt take place then if he was fake, therefore repent, and then carry on with your mission to find the perfect master.

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

[Shiraz Ashrafi]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Great answer by fana fi shaykh, you can always be a talib of another shaykh if need be but always think of your shaykh as the most highest shaykh there is in your heart and you wont want to take bayah with another shaykh.
Once its done, its done, end of and unless the shaykh has done something wrong, you cannot take bayah with someone else but yes, in todays age it has become a joke

[ali0009]

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Well, the above thread applies only to true peers/shaykhs.

[Sag E Dargah E Jilani]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Why is it more recommended to keep the silsila in the family???


Another question

What if the shaykh takes the veil and the mureed is not happy with the new sajjada nasheen??? Can he then go to another shaykh???

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

[Naqshbandi]

Jun 17, 2009 10:38:10 GMT Sag E Dargah E Jilani said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Why is it more recommended to keep the silsila in the family???


Another question

What if the shaykh takes the veil and the mureed is not happy with the new sajjada nasheen??? Can he then go to another shaykh???

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Keeping the silsila in the family was a personal Recommendation and I know a few buzurgs advise this too. However there isnt no Shari reason for this and neither is it a must!

As fot the Sajjadah Nasheen, if there is a valid Shari reason one should only then be unhappy other then that one shouldnt be.
Also even whilst sticking with the sajjadah nasheen one can go to another Shaykh, however it isnt necessary to give your hand in another hand, not even the sajjadah nasheens, your bayat is enough, however sometimes in the path it is recommended at some stages, but I doubt for amateurs like us.

Jazakallahu khayrun

[nida]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

As fot the Sajjadah Nasheen, if there is a valid Shari reason one should only then be unhappy other then that one shouldnt be.

if sajjadah nasheen dont have beard........... is it valid reason to break bayah

[Naqshbandi]

Jun 17, 2009 12:41:11 GMT nida said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

As fot the Sajjadah Nasheen, if there is a valid Shari reason one should only then be unhappy other then that one shouldnt be.

if sajjadah nasheen dont have beard........... is it valid reason to break bayah

Well if you are bayat on the hands of the Sajjadah Nasheen then Yes it is. Fatwa-e-Razviyah Ala Hazrat Azeemul Barkat Rahmatullahi 'alayh explains.

However if you mean that your Peer sahibs son doesnt have a full beard, yet your Peer sahib does then that is not valid reason to break bayat.

[Sag E Dargah E Jilani]

Jun 17, 2009 12:41:11 GMT nida said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

As fot the Sajjadah Nasheen, if there is a valid Shari reason one should only then be unhappy other then that one shouldnt be.

if sajjadah nasheen dont have beard........... is it valid reason to break bayah

sister someone told me that the beard does not come in the way of sprituality. Bayah will still be accepted.

[Naqshbandi]

Jun 17, 2009 18:15:53 GMT Sag E Dargah E Jilani said:

Jun 17, 2009 12:41:11 GMT nida said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu



if sajjadah nasheen dont have beard........... is it valid reason to break bayah

sister someone told me that the beard does not come in the way of sprituality. Bayah will still be accepted.

Lol can we please have a quote for that.

And as for spirituality there is none without shariat! Bayat with one without a beard doesnt even happen in accordance to Ala Hazrat Rahmatullahi 'alayh and many sunni Shuyukh and Akabireen.

[Sag E Dargah E Jilani]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu


I have one another question.


what if someone does bayah at a young age when his/her parents made him/her take the oath and then the child grows up and is attracted to another shaykh???

can the grown up child brake the bayah then???

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

[Fana fi Shaykh]

Jun 18, 2009 17:48:39 GMT Sag E Dargah E Jilani said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu


I have one another question.


what if someone does bayah at a young age when his/her parents made him/her take the oath and then the child grows up and is attracted to another shaykh???

can the grown up child brake the bayah then???

Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

No he cant break the bayah.

[ali0009]

I dont think there shud be any reason to break bayth unless the peer/murshid isnt kamil or fake. Other then this reason, all others reason jus show that mureed is not capable of following tareeqat. Creating/Breaking bayth is a matter of utmost respect, tasawwuf is all about respect and devotion.


Regards
Wasalam

[verdad]

ASSALAM O ALIAKUM
its mean if someone do not have beard then we should not take bayah on his hand
is it??

[Sag E Dargah E Jilani]

Dec 16, 2009 19:39:50 GMT verdad said:

ASSALAM O ALIAKUM
its mean if someone do not have beard then we should not take bayah on his hand
is it??

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

A good question indeed dear brother. I remember talking to one brother about it and he gave me some good answers.

If you look at the Shafi and Maliki shaykhs they have small beards but there silsilas are perfectly valid. Indeed we hanafis don’t encourage it because it’s against the sunnah but no one can prove that bayah is not valid. If salah is valid for a person with a small beard (and remember salah is Farz E Eyn) then why will bayah not be valid when it is neither farz nor wajib to do???

Indeed Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmed Raza Khan Mohhadis E Barielly Rahmatullahi 'alayh said the shaykh has to have a full length beard, but while respecting Hazrat some ulema they will disagree. There is diffirent opnion between the ulema and that’s a blessing. (Many arab sunni shaykh have less then fistful beard)

Ala Hazrat Mohhadis E Barielly Rahmatullahi 'alayh said that we shoudnt learn English, and had a good reason at that time because they said it will give the English power. Ala Hazrat Peer Mehr Ali Shah Rahmatullahi 'alayh was asked the same question which they said yes you can learn English. Ala Hazrat E Golarvi Peer Mehr Ali Shah Rahmatullahi 'alayh said that how else are we going to teach the non-Muslims about islam???

Likewise there is many other diffrence of opnion amoungst the shaykhs.

Like Qawali

and many others.

I dont wanna argue with anyone nor have a debate. This is what I have to say and been told and I agree with it. If you dont like it no one is telling you to agree with it.