SHAKYH NAZIM AL HAQQANNI HIGH STATION

[asif trying 2 b rabbani]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

NO QUESTIONING IN THE GRAVE

As for anyone who is related to Moulana Sheikh Nazim as a mureed the Angel of Death, Israelalayhis 'salam will have nothing to do with him. The soul of this mureed at the time of his death will be taken by Moulana Sheikh Nazim. He shall look at the mureed and immediately the soul of that mureed will leave his body. There is nothing for either the Angel of Death or for the Angels of the Grave to do with the mureeds of Moulana Sheikh Nazim. This is because it has been so ordered and it is by the Divine Power of Allah Almighty which has been given to him that Moulana Sheikh Nazim is so empowered. This is specially for Moulana Sheikh Nazim.

BY SHAYKH HISHAM KABBANI

[Sag E Dargah E Jilani]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

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[Sister Nomee]

Sept 22, 2009 16:28:39 GMT asif trying 2 b rabbani said:

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

NO QUESTIONING IN THE GRAVE

As for anyone who is related to Moulana Sheikh Nazim as a mureed the Angel of Death, Israelalayhis 'salam will have nothing to do with him. The soul of this mureed at the time of his death will be taken by Moulana Sheikh Nazim. He shall look at the mureed and immediately the soul of that mureed will leave his body. There is nothing for either the Angel of Death or for the Angels of the Grave to do with the mureeds of Moulana Sheikh Nazim. This is because it has been so ordered and it is by the Divine Power of Allah Almighty which has been given to him that Moulana Sheikh Nazim is so empowered. This is specially for Moulana Sheikh Nazim.

BY SHAYKH HISHAM KABBANI

SubhanAllah!! jazakAllah for the enlightenment.

Great quality of a great noble shaykh.

Wasalaam

[MAZHAR FAZLE REHMANI]

Brother this is really great to hear such great things about such a great shaykh, but brother i have one question in my mind, there is no intention in doing any gustaki for this great shaykh, if this was the case then why the soul of our Noble Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam)(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm) was taken by Israelalayhis 'salam, our Noble Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam)(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm) is the best of all in the universe and he(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm) is most beloved to Allah then any other person in the world, when his(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm) soul was taken by Israelalayhis 'salam as he is appointed to do this job, and he has been doing this from start and will continue to do this till the end of days, If this was not the seen, Allah would have personaly come down to take the soul of his beloved prophet(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm), but as this duty is given to some one, let him do his duty.
In the same way the soul of Sahaba Karam(radiaAllah Anhu) was taken by Israelalayhis 'salam, but surely our Noble Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam)(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm) would be there in front of the sahaba Karam(radiaAllah Anhu) while there soul were taken.

This is for sure that all the kamil shaykh like shaykh Nazim, will be present in front of the mureed at the time of their death, but the soul will be taken by Israelalayhis 'salam, as there sholud be some medium to do this.

[asif trying 2 b rabbani]

Sept 24, 2009 7:29:56 GMT MAZHAR FAZLE REHMANI said:

Brother this is really great to hear such great things about such a great shaykh, but brother i have one question in my mind, there is no intention in doing any gustaki for this great shaykh, if this was the case then why the soul of our Noble Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam)(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm) was taken by Israelalayhis 'salam, our Noble Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam)(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm) is the best of all in the universe and he(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm) is most beloved to Allah then any other person in the world, when his(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm) soul was taken by Israelalayhis 'salam as he is appointed to do this job, and he has been doing this from start and will continue to do this till the end of days, If this was not the seen, Allah would have personaly come down to take the soul of his beloved prophet(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm), but as this duty is given to some one, let him do his duty.
In the same way the soul of Sahaba Karam(radiaAllah Anhu) was taken by Israelalayhis 'salam, but surely our Noble Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam)(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm) would be there in front of the sahaba Karam(radiaAllah Anhu) while there soul were taken.

This is for sure that all the kamil shaykh like shaykh Nazim, will be present in front of the mureed at the time of their death, but the soul will be taken by Israelalayhis 'salam, as there sholud be some medium to do this.

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Bhai Mazhar this is written by respected moulana Shaykh HISHAM KABBINI a respected scholor,shaykh, chairman of muslim council of america,khalifa and son in law of maulana syed Shaykh NAZIM AL HAQQANNI.


Brother i 100% believe whatever he say's ,mashallah a blessed personality.


also brother ALLAHSubhanahu wa Ta'ala and his RUSOOLSalla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam know best.

[asif trying 2 b rabbani]

Sept 24, 2009 14:56:42 GMT asif trying 2 b rabbani said:

Sept 24, 2009 7:29:56 GMT MAZHAR FAZLE REHMANI said:

Brother this is really great to hear such great things about such a great shaykh, but brother i have one question in my mind, there is no intention in doing any gustaki for this great shaykh, if this was the case then why the soul of our Noble Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam)(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm) was taken by Israelalayhis 'salam, our Noble Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam)(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm) is the best of all in the universe and he(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm) is most beloved to Allah then any other person in the world, when his(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm) soul was taken by Israelalayhis 'salam as he is appointed to do this job, and he has been doing this from start and will continue to do this till the end of days, If this was not the seen, Allah would have personaly come down to take the soul of his beloved prophet(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm), but as this duty is given to some one, let him do his duty.
In the same way the soul of Sahaba Karam(radiaAllah Anhu) was taken by Israelalayhis 'salam, but surely our Noble Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam)(sal lal laho tala alaihi wasalm) would be there in front of the sahaba Karam(radiaAllah Anhu) while there soul were taken.

This is for sure that all the kamil shaykh like shaykh Nazim, will be present in front of the mureed at the time of their death, but the soul will be taken by Israelalayhis 'salam, as there sholud be some medium to do this.

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Bhai Mazhar this is written by respected moulana Shaykh HISHAM KABBINI a respected scholor,shaykh, chairman of muslim council of america,khalifa and son in law of maulana syed Shaykh NAZIM AL HAQQANNI.


Brother i 100% believe whatever he say's ,mashallah a blessed personality.


also brother ALLAHSubhanahu wa Ta'ala and his RUSOOLSalla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam know best.

[sanaqshi]

la howla walla quwata illah billah may allah protect us from the jahil sufi students

[Tirmizi]

Assalam o alaikum!
I dont want to do gustakhi but the Claim of Honorable Sheikh Hissham kabbani clearly contradicts the Ahadith of Syedina Rasullallah Sallallahu Alaihi wassalam,so we are not bound to accept it.Even Hazrat Imam e Azam Imam Abu Hanifa Rahimahullah advised his disciples ,if they find anything in contradiction with the Quran and Sunnah in his statements about a matter, they should follow the Quran and Sunnah in that matter.A true Sheikh is who, whose all actions in accordance with Quran wa Sunnah.

[Naseeruddin Qadri]

Oct 13, 2009 0:32:18 GMT sanaqshi said:

la howla walla quwata illah billah may allah protect us from the jahil sufi students

I don't want to make the condition bad on this forum. It is good if you stay away with this.

What is wrong with the statement. Do you not hear about the spiritual blessing, rights given to the great saints.

Did you not heard that Hazrat Shams e Tabrez Radi Allahu anhu said to the deceased something like this "Get up with my order". And the dead man got life once again. Hazrat Sabir kaliyar praying his janaza, Sayings of Hazrat Ghaus-e-Azam, sayings of Bayazid bustami, sayings of Mansoor Hallaj Rizwanullahi ta'ala ajamain. Follwer of Hazrat Ghause-e-AzamRadi Allahu anhu died without tauba was again given life and after doing tauba he died.


You should know that these can be the blessings given by Almighty. If you do not know the blessings then it is better to keep silent.

Moreover, brother asif said that

ALLAHSubhanahu wa Ta'ala and his RUSOOLSalla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam know best.


It is good that if you are doubtful about any statement, then one should ask question in polite way within limit and try to show the correct thing with regard to quran and sunnah.

[asif trying 2 b rabbani]

Oct 13, 2009 0:32:18 GMT sanaqshi said:

la howla walla quwata illah billah may allah protect us from the jahil sufi students

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

brother sanaqshi could you please eloborate on what you mean when you use the statement of jahil student's implying that to myself thank you.maybe you might be a mufti and could explain to me.

jazakallah brother naseeruddin for backing me up,really appeariciate it thank you.i think you have summed it up,coudn't have put it better myself thank you.

[sanaqshi]

Oct 13, 2009 6:19:26 GMT Naseeruddin Qadri said:

Oct 13, 2009 0:32:18 GMT sanaqshi said:

la howla walla quwata illah billah may allah protect us from the jahil sufi students

I don't want to make the condition bad on this forum. It is good if you stay away with this.

What is wrong with the statement. Do you not hear about the spiritual blessing, rights given to the great saints.

Did you not heard that Hazrat Shams e Tabrez Radi Allahu anhu said to the deceased something like this "Get up with my order". And the dead man got life once again. Hazrat Sabir kaliyar praying his janaza, Sayings of Hazrat Ghaus-e-Azam, sayings of Bayazid bustami, sayings of Mansoor Hallaj Rizwanullahi ta'ala ajamain. Follwer of Hazrat Ghause-e-AzamRadi Allahu anhu died without tauba was again given life and after doing tauba he died.


You should know that these can be the blessings given by Almighty. If you do not know the blessings then it is better to keep silent.

Moreover, brother asif said that

ALLAHSubhanahu wa Ta'ala and his RUSOOLSalla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam know best.


It is good that if you are doubtful about any statement, then one should ask question in polite way within limit and try to show the correct thing with regard to quran and sunnah.

there is a difference between what you state regarding the elder shuyukhs and the great men of tasawuf and such as lets say Gausul azam sidi shaykh abdul qadir el gaylani wardul baghdad qadda salla sirru fetching the dead to live with the power of allahs qudrat because that is 100% in accordence to the aqaid and shariah of islam, but the statement that mevllana shaykh nazim may allah bless him will take the soul of his mureed is 100% fabricated and has no basis in shariatullah and further more I challange any person to prove to me 1 dhaeef hadith thats states this or where it is written in the books of clasic knowledge that this statement is correct.
My wordsa are not emtn to be inuslting or dregatory to the eminent shaykh or his murideen as mevlana shaykh nazim adil shah sahib qibla daman barkatum aqdas is an brilliant khateeb, alim, sufi and awliya allah and the head of the naqshbandi mujjadadi haqqani taraiqat.

I reaqd that this comment about the esteam shaykh has come from his son in law shaykh hisham el kabbani as shareef wa sayyed, well i find it extremely hard to believe such ignorence has been uttered from his blessed mouth (If i am wrong i will appologise accordingly) becasue allama sayyed muhamed hisham shah sahib is a hassani hussaini sayyed that comes from a long line of scholars his uncle is shaykh alili sayyedi ar rafia'ee and he is related to the current mufti of lebonen hadret allama Mufti azam lebonan allama sayyed muhammed rashid kabbani madazilla 3aliyah. Hadret allama shaykh Hisham el kabbani, is a brilliant khateeb, alim sufi , islamic scholar and also hiolds a PHD, he is by no means an ingnorent sufi but one of the guiding lights in the arab world.

a sufi is not ignorent of the aqaid or sharriah of islam if he or she is then they are not a real sufi, sorry if that offends some brothers.

Such statements as the shaykh will take the soul of his mureeds is contrary to the classic knowledge of islam. it is a sound fact backed by ayats and numerous hadith mubareka that this is the job of the angelof death and that after judgemnt day that the angel of death will be made into an ephorgy of a lamb and that lamb will be sacrificed by the honourable prophet Yahya alayhis salaam.

where is your proof for such a statement? you cannot say i cut and pasted it from another web site and its attributed to his eminence shaykh hisham may allah be pleased with the beautiful sayyed when inh actually fact there is no way to verify this to be sound or correcft and actually contradicts the classic knoweldge and well establish fact from the qur'an and sunnah.

if you honestly believe this statement to be correct then please present one dhaeef hadith that back up your statement, we have no right to follow as amal (actions) a statement that comes from some persons kashfs or dreams, these do not forme the basis for shariah (if i am ewrong in this statement them i am sure i will be coreected).

following is my opinion.................................................
by making such statements you are infact insulting the shaykh his son in la, the great men of tasawufn and sound scholarly principles which underpin our blessed deen.
I will go as far as saying hid eminence shaykh nazim effendi may allah be pleased with him is one of the saints of allah and he is a prefound sufi alim and not a jahil sufi

[Naseeruddin Qadri]

Oct 13, 2009 0:32:18 GMT sanaqshi said:

la howla walla quwata illah billah may allah protect us from the jahil sufi students

Let us keep aside for now the truthfullness/falseness about the statement.

Can you tell the names to whom you are telling jahil sufi. And also the tell the names from whom you want to get protected.

As the initial post says that the statement is given by SHAYKH HISHAM KABBANI, so according to you either Shaykh Naziim AlHaqqani or Shaykh Hisham AlKabbani are jahi sufi (nauzbillah).

You contradict your statements.

mevlana shaykh nazim adil shah sahib qibla daman barkatum aqdas is an brilliant khateeb, alim, sufi and awliya allah and the head of the naqshbandi mujjadadi haqqani taraiqat.

I will go as far as saying hid eminence shaykh nazim effendi may allah be pleased with him is one of the saints of allah and he is a prefound sufi alim and not a jahil sufi

So now you agree that Shaykh Nazim is not jahil sufi.

Now let us talk about Shaykh Hisham Al Kabbani
www.haqqanisoul.com/profiles/blogs/mawlana-shaykh-nazim-adil-al says that
Mawlana Shaykh Nazim al-Haqqani's has given Ijaza (Permission) for Shaykh Hisham Kabbani.

According to you if Shaykh Nazim is prefound sufi alim and one of the saints of Allah then his decision of giving permission is also right. And according to shaykh nazim, shaykh hisham is correct and therefore permission is given.

When shaykh nazim(prefound sufi alim which you have accepted) said shaykh hisham as right then shaykh hisham cannot be a jahil sufi.

You are contradicting yourselves and writing gustakis about the prefoud sufil alim and one of the saints of allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala.

Now come to other point, regarding the statement:
Many saints of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala have prayed that they see their Pir-o-Murshid at the time of their death. Have you not heard about the hadith that beloved Nabi Sallallahu Alaihi wassalam can come to grave of his loved ones. So when beloved Nabi Sallallahu Alaihi wassalam/ Kamil Wali of Allah comes to grave then what questioning will be there in the grave. Do you find a hadith that a person can pray his own janzaah.

Moreover I am not so capable to put a confirmation stamp on the blessings given to kamil shaykhs and neither I want to do gustakhi by declaring them as jahil.
Instead I would have asked about the same thing to any kamil shaykh before declaring something bad.

I see in your profile Pir-o-Murshid as Mufti of Turkistan Qabrus as-Shaykh Sayyed Muhammed nazim Adil saha

I wonder being a mureed of Shaykh Nazim, you use the words as "jahil sufi" nauzbillah.
I don't know with what intentions you have written. But it would be better you would have asked about the statement to your shaykh sahib before your declarations.

You say about tasawwuf and scholary principles, great saints of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala said that if anyone wants to touch the sandals of Kamil Wali of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala then they should have wazoo and you declare so easily.

Instead of judging me or my statements it is better you ask about the statement to your pir-o-murshid but with great respect. A person who needs the knowledge has to go in search of knowledge and find it and then come to conclusion especially regarding sufi knowledge.

I wanted you not to use the words like jahil sufi and you declare me that I am insulting shaykh and his son in law. . No problem I pray that may Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala give everyone taufeeq to respect his loved ones.

[sanaqshi]

Oct 16, 2009 11:47:00 GMT Naseeruddin Qadri said:

Oct 13, 2009 0:32:18 GMT sanaqshi said:

la howla walla quwata illah billah may allah protect us from the jahil sufi students

Let us keep aside for now the truthfullness/falseness about the statement.

Can you tell the names to whom you are telling jahil sufi. And also the tell the names from whom you want to get protected.

As the initial post says that the statement is given by SHAYKH HISHAM KABBANI, so according to you either Shaykh Naziim AlHaqqani or Shaykh Hisham AlKabbani are jahi sufi (nauzbillah).

You contradict your statements.

I will go as far as saying hid eminence shaykh nazim effendi may allah be pleased with him is one of the saints of allah and he is a prefound sufi alim and not a jahil sufi

So now you agree that Shaykh Nazim is not jahil sufi.

Now let us talk about Shaykh Hisham Al Kabbani
www.haqqanisoul.com/profiles/blogs/mawlana-shaykh-nazim-adil-al says that
Mawlana Shaykh Nazim al-Haqqani's has given Ijaza (Permission) for Shaykh Hisham Kabbani.

According to you if Shaykh Nazim is prefound sufi alim and one of the saints of Allah then his decision of giving permission is also right. And according to shaykh nazim, shaykh hisham is correct and therefore permission is given.

When shaykh nazim(prefound sufi alim which you have accepted) said shaykh hisham as right then shaykh hisham cannot be a jahil sufi.

You are contradicting yourselves and writing gustakis about the prefoud sufil alim and one of the saints of allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala.

Now come to other point, regarding the statement:
Many saints of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala have prayed that they see their Pir-o-Murshid at the time of their death. Have you not heard about the hadith that beloved Nabi Sallallahu Alaihi wassalam can come to grave of his loved ones. So when beloved Nabi Sallallahu Alaihi wassalam/ Kamil Wali of Allah comes to grave then what questioning will be there in the grave. Do you find a hadith that a person can pray his own janzaah.

Moreover I am not so capable to put a confirmation stamp on the blessings given to kamil shaykhs and neither I want to do gustakhi by declaring them as jahil.
Instead I would have asked about the same thing to any kamil shaykh before declaring something bad.

I see in your profile Pir-o-Murshid as Mufti of Turkistan Qabrus as-Shaykh Sayyed Muhammed nazim Adil saha

I wonder being a mureed of Shaykh Nazim, you use the words as "jahil sufi" nauzbillah.
I don't know with what intentions you have written. But it would be better you would have asked about the statement to your shaykh sahib before your declarations.

You say about tasawwuf and scholary principles, great saints of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala said that if anyone wants to touch the sandals of Kamil Wali of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala then they should have wazoo and you declare so easily.

Instead of judging me or my statements it is better you ask about the statement to your pir-o-murshid but with great respect. A person who needs the knowledge has to go in search of knowledge and find it and then come to conclusion especially regarding sufi knowledge.

I wanted you not to use the words like jahil sufi and you declare me that I am insulting shaykh and his son in law. . No problem I pray that may Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala give everyone taufeeq to respect his loved ones.

brother qadiri sahib being bayah to mevlana shaykh does not make one iota's difference to the debate i put aside my associate and love for my shaykh i was commenting regarding the statement made maybe yoiu didn't get the jist neither was i saying anyhhing defamatory aagainst my shaykh or his world wide khaifa madaday haq in actual fact i was stating that both are alims i was merely pointing out the folly of certain "mureed" or supposed mureed that have got a wonderful way with words that have little relivence to what mevlana shaykh is saying or doing, neither shayklh nazim qibla or his khaifah shaykh hisham el kabbani are jahil and are completely blameless in such statements, actualy i could quote several other times were supposed mureed have made astounding statements and wonderous comment and have associated them to mevlana shaykh sahib or to his lhailfa non have which have been factually correct.

[Sag E Dargah E Jilani]

Oct 17, 2009 0:20:55 GMT sanaqshi said:

Oct 16, 2009 11:47:00 GMT Naseeruddin Qadri said:

Let us keep aside for now the truthfullness/falseness about the statement.

Can you tell the names to whom you are telling jahil sufi. And also the tell the names from whom you want to get protected.

As the initial post says that the statement is given by SHAYKH HISHAM KABBANI, so according to you either Shaykh Naziim AlHaqqani or Shaykh Hisham AlKabbani are jahi sufi (nauzbillah).

You contradict your statements.




So now you agree that Shaykh Nazim is not jahil sufi.

Now let us talk about Shaykh Hisham Al Kabbani
www.haqqanisoul.com/profiles/blogs/mawlana-shaykh-nazim-adil-al says that
Mawlana Shaykh Nazim al-Haqqani's has given Ijaza (Permission) for Shaykh Hisham Kabbani.

According to you if Shaykh Nazim is prefound sufi alim and one of the saints of Allah then his decision of giving permission is also right. And according to shaykh nazim, shaykh hisham is correct and therefore permission is given.

When shaykh nazim(prefound sufi alim which you have accepted) said shaykh hisham as right then shaykh hisham cannot be a jahil sufi.

You are contradicting yourselves and writing gustakis about the prefoud sufil alim and one of the saints of allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala.

Now come to other point, regarding the statement:
Many saints of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala have prayed that they see their Pir-o-Murshid at the time of their death. Have you not heard about the hadith that beloved Nabi Sallallahu Alaihi wassalam can come to grave of his loved ones. So when beloved Nabi Sallallahu Alaihi wassalam/ Kamil Wali of Allah comes to grave then what questioning will be there in the grave. Do you find a hadith that a person can pray his own janzaah.

Moreover I am not so capable to put a confirmation stamp on the blessings given to kamil shaykhs and neither I want to do gustakhi by declaring them as jahil.
Instead I would have asked about the same thing to any kamil shaykh before declaring something bad.

I see in your profile Pir-o-Murshid as Mufti of Turkistan Qabrus as-Shaykh Sayyed Muhammed nazim Adil saha

I wonder being a mureed of Shaykh Nazim, you use the words as "jahil sufi" nauzbillah.
I don't know with what intentions you have written. But it would be better you would have asked about the statement to your shaykh sahib before your declarations.

You say about tasawwuf and scholary principles, great saints of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala said that if anyone wants to touch the sandals of Kamil Wali of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala then they should have wazoo and you declare so easily.

Instead of judging me or my statements it is better you ask about the statement to your pir-o-murshid but with great respect. A person who needs the knowledge has to go in search of knowledge and find it and then come to conclusion especially regarding sufi knowledge.

I wanted you not to use the words like jahil sufi and you declare me that I am insulting shaykh and his son in law. . No problem I pray that may Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala give everyone taufeeq to respect his loved ones.

brother qadiri sahib being bayah to mevlana shaykh does not make one iota's difference to the debate i put aside my associate and love for my shaykh i was commenting regarding the statement made maybe yoiu didn't get the jist neither was i saying anyhhing defamatory aagainst my shaykh or his world wide khaifa madaday haq in actual fact i was stating that both are alims i was merely pointing out the folly of certain "mureed" or supposed mureed that have got a wonderful way with words that have little relivence to what mevlana shaykh is saying or doing, neither shayklh nazim qibla or his khaifah shaykh hisham el kabbani are jahil and are completely blameless in such statements, actualy i could quote several other times were supposed mureed have made astounding statements and wonderous comment and have associated them to mevlana shaykh sahib or to his lhailfa non have which have been factually correct.

I am not liking the way you are talking about brother asif here. He is a respected member of this forum so please do show him some respect. Instead of calling him a jahil mureed and this that it would have been better if you told and explained to the brother in more better manner!!!!

While I understand where you are coming from brother sanaqshi, brother asif has clearly stated that he copied it from another website. Even I am guilty of copying wahabi material without knowing and posting sometimes. Sometimes mistakes can happen.

[asif trying 2 b rabbani]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

brother o4husi jazakallah for backing me i really appericiate it,at least i know who i can call to help if need be ;D

don't worry about brother sanaqshi,he has explained to me via p.m.i don't think he chose his word's wisely though,but i can appreciate his intention.

[sanaqshi]

Oct 17, 2009 5:53:45 GMT Sag E Dargah E Jilani said:

Oct 17, 2009 0:20:55 GMT sanaqshi said:

brother qadiri sahib being bayah to mevlana shaykh does not make one iota's difference to the debate i put aside my associate and love for my shaykh i was commenting regarding the statement made maybe yoiu didn't get the jist neither was i saying anyhhing defamatory aagainst my shaykh or his world wide khaifa madaday haq in actual fact i was stating that both are alims i was merely pointing out the folly of certain "mureed" or supposed mureed that have got a wonderful way with words that have little relivence to what mevlana shaykh is saying or doing, neither shayklh nazim qibla or his khaifah shaykh hisham el kabbani are jahil and are completely blameless in such statements, actualy i could quote several other times were supposed mureed have made astounding statements and wonderous comment and have associated them to mevlana shaykh sahib or to his lhailfa non have which have been factually correct.

I am not liking the way you are talking about brother asif here. He is a respected member of this forum so please do show him some respect. Instead of calling him a jahil mureed and this that it would have been better if you told and explained to the brother in more better manner!!!!

While I understand where you are coming from brother sanaqshi, brother asif has clearly stated that he copied it from another website. Even I am guilty of copying wahabi material without knowing and posting sometimes. Sometimes mistakes can happen.

ok let me make it plain an clear since one or 2 of you people (not referring to brother asif) seemed to have got the wrong end of the stick

(1) when i said jahil mureed in the same post i also made reference to the fact that the stuff was "cut and pasted", so how can that make me intentionally insult brother asif or claim he is a jahil mureed of the shaykh, i don't know brother asif from brother adam, so if that was my intention then i would be 100% in the wrong, so brother who seem to be effected by what i have said and have taken it slightly person before pointing your finger you should look at how many fingers are pointing at you
(2) brother asif may allah bless him sent me a pm message i replied to him there as a brother and fellow mureed as he as me to clarify the point which i have done accordingly, i am sure brother asif has go my point and understands why i have said what i have if he has not he is quite welcome to pm me and that gos for anyu other person that seems to be offended

we have the right to love our shaykh but we should also show adab and respect too, that goes for me too, but if some random person claim this and that but we cannot verify that from the classic knowledge or get clarification from a reliable source then we should bare that in mind and be humble enough to be silent and wait for an opportunity when we can ask.

an example of this is that some brother recently were claiming that they have been with mahdi alayhis salaam in his suhbet, so i asked for proof of this non came then they astoundingly claimed a link to mevlana shaykh, so we sent one brother to cyprus to get clarification of their view was what was said be mevlana shaykh i cannot repeat, but if any one has met shaykh and have seen when he gets annoyed you then you will know hwat i mean without having to explain.

we have the right to love our shaykh but we should be respectful of the classic knowledge, what i said in previous post was not meant to insult brother asif at all if he feels offended it is for him to say that to me, not every other tom dick and harry who thinks he is offended, i have explained to him my position i do not intentionally insult anyone nor want to hurt anyone's feelings as that is alien to the sunnah, but neither will i sit and read such comment which have been associated to my shaykh and or his khalifah (not meant at bro. asif), which have not come from them, if by defending the correct position that upsets a few people then so be it.

the comments attributed to his eminence allama sayyed shaykh hisham al kabbani hasani hussaini are at best an exaggeration of what he might of said and at worse some individuals follow, either way they are not comments of someone who is an alim and has profound understanding of the hadith, which i know to be the case with shaykh hisham may allah bless him, so get over it ((NO INSULT INTENDED TO ANYONE

[Sag E Dargah E Jilani]

Oct 17, 2009 12:21:51 GMT sanaqshi said:

Oct 17, 2009 5:53:45 GMT Sag E Dargah E Jilani said:

so get over it ((NO INSULT INTENDED TO ANYONE

Calm down sanaqshi. me and brother naseeruddin have not responded to you in a disrespectful manner so dont you eitheir. it works both ways!!! (NO INSULT INTENDED TO ANYONE)

i aplogise if we took what you said in the wrong way.

[Saalik]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu


Dear Brothers, discuss, agree to disagree etc, etc, but be good guys at the same time. Remember those days when as kids we used to argue with each other and the next moment we start playing again as if nothing serious really happened. Though grown up, without feeling , we can take inspiration from none other than the innocent children we used to be.

[sanaqshi]

Oct 17, 2009 18:49:17 GMT Sag E Dargah E Jilani said:

Oct 17, 2009 12:21:51 GMT sanaqshi said:

Oct 17, 2009 5:53:45 GMT Sag E Dargah E Jilani said:

so get over it ((NO INSULT INTENDED TO ANYONE

Calm down sanaqshi. me and brother naseeruddin have not responded to you in a disrespectful manner so dont you eitheir. it works both ways!!! (NO INSULT INTENDED TO ANYONE)

i aplogise if we took what you said in the wrong way.

al7amdulillah

i thank allah almighty as i am not angry and neither have i taken anyones comments the wrong way, as for bro. qadiri sahib who seemed to be perplexed by my position or comment let me say i am humble to be the mureed of the leading sufi of our age a shaykh that's on the way of sunnah, who is nasabun sayyed and nisbatun sadeeq, that is allahs grace.

the seal of prophethood advised us that if we se an injustice, if we have the capacity to fight it with our hands we should and if we don't but can fight it with our tongue (words) then we should and if we cannot do this we should fight it with our hearts.

I have experience of people saying superios comments and attributing it to my shaykh ( not meant to be insulting to my bro asif from his action i take him to be sincere) and to be honest i have also seen it with mureeds of other shaykhs too it is like a mureed syndrome, but thats off topic maybe for another thread, however i will not stand back and say nothing when i know something to be totally wrong and against the classic knowledge (Qur'an, sunnah, ijmaa of the ulema) whether i offend my own blood brother or cousin or friend or the local man on my street corner. end of the day i go to my grave and you will go to your own i do not wish to stand infront of my lord and have to justify why i didnt say anything when i knew right from wrong.

this is not ment as an insult to bro. asif or anyone else for that matter "if any person be it a mureed or not believes the mevlana shaykh may allah bless him "will take the soul of his mureed at the time of death is unfortunatley seriously deluded" and if they seriously believe that to be the case i will make time to meet them in cyprus and they can out this absurdity to the shaykh then selves and if the sahykh says this is correct i will kiss that brothers feet! (i aint joking neither i am deadly serious) to make something from a wali that is not true is grave an erroneous way

may allah forgive you and forgive me may allah guide me and guide you to haq

[Naseeruddin Qadri]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam

Brother Sanaqshi, if there was no intention to insult anyone, then no problem brother. Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala judges our actions based on our intentions. Might be it was just misunderstanding. I agree your point that many mureeds(not just mureeds of shaykh nazim but also other shaykhs, no intention to insult anyone here) exaggarete the statements which is not good. You have a right to ask about exxageration, perferably in detail.

Bro, even my intention was not to insult anyone. I just became a bit after seeing the word "jahil sufi". One liner comment could not get the proper meaning and there started misunderstandings. I am sorry if I hurted you in anyway, as it was not clear from your statement whether you are insulting or not.

Let us close this topic and shall discuss something better.

Love of the Shaykh

"If the heart of the follower (murid) is full of the love of the Shaykh, this love replacing all other loves of the heart, then the heart will be able to receive the transmission of the Heavenly Knowledge, which has no beginning and no end."

"The murid has to tell all his states to his Shaykh, and he has to believe that he will never reach his goal except through the satisfaction and love of his Shaykh. He must seek that satisfaction and he must know that all doors are blocked, internal and external, except the one door, which is his Shaykh. He has to sacrifice himself for the sake of his Shaykh. Even if he has the highest knowledge and the highest mujahada (capacity for effort), he must leave all that and feel as though he has nothing in front of his Shaykh. The seeker must give the Shaykh authority in all his affairs, religious and worldly, in such a way that he has no will before the will of his Shaykh. The duty of the Shaykh is to look at the daily activities of the murid and to advise and correct him in his living and his religion, to help him find the best way to reach his reality."

"To visit saints is a Sunnah Wajiba, a duty on every seeker, at least every day, or every other day, while keeping the limits and respect between you and your Shaykh. If the distance is great between you and your Shaykh, visit him at least every one or two months. Don't rely only on your connection with their heart, lest you become disconnected."

"I guarantee to anyone who seeks this Way, that if he imitates the Shaykh with sincerity he will eventually find its reality. Shah Naqshband ordered me to imitate him and whatever I did in imitation of him immediately brought its results."

However, he also warned:

"The masters of our Way cannot be known except in the Station of Colors and Changes (Maqam at-Talwin). Whoever imitates their behavior in that station will succeed. Whoever imitates their behavior in their Station of Perfection, however, will be corrupted. He will be safe from corruption only if his master has mercy on him and reveals to him the Reality of that Station."


- Ala'uddin al-Bukhari al-AttarRadi Allahu anhu khailfa of Shah Naqshband Radi Allahu anhu



Note: This I have taken from official Haqqani site.