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Post by saraah on Nov 7, 2012 13:50:14 GMT
assalm u alaikum brothers and sisters, i recently took bayah at the dawat e islami website, and i have the utmost respect for ameer e ahle sunnah. but due to some reason i want to withdraw my bayah. is there a way? please tell me as i am very upset because of this issue because i think i am becoming sinful day by day by not following some of the teachings of the honorable ameer as i don't agree with some. i know i should have done my research before taking the bayah. but now i really need a solution. if anyone would help you would be lifting a great burden from my mind and heart. jazakAllah in advance.
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Post by Bint e Attar on Nov 7, 2012 15:06:23 GMT
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Post by saraah on Nov 7, 2012 16:27:56 GMT
jazakAllah sister, i also came upon this fatwa deobandi link removedwhere mufti says that you just have to strongly believe in your heart about getting out of bayah, but according to this eshaykh.com/sufism/withdrawing-baya/it seems unless the sheikh lets you out you cannot? i'm confused, please would someone clear this. help! Reason for Editing: To remove deobandi link |
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Post by Saalik on Nov 7, 2012 17:23:24 GMT
assalm u alaikum brothers and sisters, i recently took bayah at the dawat e islami website, and i have the utmost respect for ameer e ahle sunnah. but due to some reason i want to withdraw my bayah. is there a way? please tell me as i am very upset because of this issue because i think i am becoming sinful day by day by not following some of the teachings of the honorable ameer as i don't agree with some. i know i should have done my research before taking the bayah. but now i really need a solution. if anyone would help you would be lifting a great burden from my mind and heart. jazakAllah in advance. Welcome to our forum Sister  , as per the forum rules please mention your location in your profiles. Sister, either you have been misled or you are being misled by the accursed shaytaan's whispers. If you don't agree with some of the teachings better leave them aside instead of criticizing or forcing yourself into guilt etc. Follow that much you are capableof and ask dua to be able to follow the maximum. If you break your bai'ah for such reason then you won't be worthy of bai'ah with another Shaykh. |
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Post by Saalik on Nov 7, 2012 17:36:54 GMT
i also came upon this fatwa deobandi link removedwhere mufti says that you just have to strongly believe in your heart about getting out of bayah, but according to this eshaykh.com/sufism/withdrawing-baya/it seems unless the sheikh lets you out you cannot? i'm confused, please would someone clear this. help! The first link is a deobandi link so their opinion on this issue is  On eshaykh.com the issue is of any possibility of being out of a tariqah (due to negligence etc) after taking bai'ah and not about personally wanting to withdraw one's bai'ah. A personal advice Sister - please don't torture yourself with this issue any more and follow what you can to the best of your ability. A mureed/mureeda can, due to negligence, abandon his/her Shaykh's ways but the Shaykh doesn't abandon the mureed/mureeda. You may feel that your bai'ah is worthless but in reality it isn't and such thing is like the thorn here and there on the twig of the rose plant which holds the roses at the extremities. |
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Post by Bint e Attar on Nov 7, 2012 18:03:31 GMT
A personal advice Sister - please don't torture yourself with this issue any more and follow what you can to the best of your ability. A mureed/mureeda can, due to negligence, abandon his/her Shaykh's ways but the Shaykh doesn't abandon the mureed/mureeda. You may feel that your bai'ah is worthless but in reality it isn't and such thing is like the thorn here and there on the twig of the rose plant which holds the roses at the extremities. Agreed 112%  |
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Nov 7, 2012 21:14:03 GMT
what teachings of his do you not agree with?
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Post by saraah on Nov 8, 2012 6:34:06 GMT
Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuWelcome to our forum Sister , as per the forum rules please mention your location in your profiles. sorry, i just modified my prof. brother i am grateful that you have my best interest in mind, the thing is when i took bayah i did not do my research and i had no idea about its implications, now i understand its a big responsibility, but to tell u the truth no matter how hard i try my heart is not aligned w/ the honorable sheikh tho i respect him immensely, even tho i also did istikhara. I understand what u are trying to tell me and i also understand the implications of getting out of the bayah but please i need to know if there is a way, i would be immensely thankful to anyone who would tell me, they would be saving a sister from mental torture, and i would be praying for them as long as i live.  this is very important to me. |
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Post by Saalik on Nov 8, 2012 17:30:45 GMT
brother i am grateful that you have my best interest in mind, the thing is when i took bayah i did not do my research and i had no idea about its implications, now i understand its a big responsibility Sister you are only making things more difficult for you by psychologically/emotionally dramatizing a situation which is not at all dramatic. Please explain what you mean by its implication and a big responsibility. I'm sure there's something wrong somewhere. You did Istikharah for what Sister? Know that in reality it's not us who choose who is to be our Shaykh, it's he who chooses us. If your heart is not aligned with the Honorable Shaykh, who is a Wali of Allah Ta'ala, then it's a confirmed case of waswasah from the accursed shaytaan. Sister do you want to buy a ticket for hell from now on. If the Honorable Shaykh was a fake one I wouldn't have told this. When you'll be left with nothing precious (after withdrawing your Bai'ah which is a valid one for the spiritual path too), of what worth will be your thankfulness and duas for others. You are in a big dilemna and you have to explain things in details so that you get the right help. I understand your situation well as I went through quite similar mental torture but it was before taking Bai'ah and Alhamdulillah with proper guidance and support I finally took Bai'ah with the same Shaykh who accepted me even though my sick heart was having difficulty to accept him in the beginning. All the way it was like carrying a big rock on the head. Later I understood that it was the accursed shaytaan who was responsible for all this. Honestly I would have had deep regrets today........but Alhamdulillah my Shaykh saved me by choosing me. |
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Post by Musafir on Nov 18, 2012 22:41:15 GMT
I understand what u are trying to tell me and i also understand the implications of getting out of the bayah but please i need to know if there is a way, i would be immensely thankful to anyone who would tell me, they would be saving a sister from mental torture, and i would be praying for them as long as i live. this is very important to me. Assalaam Alaykum sister do not torture your self mentally,if you respect the shaykh and do not feel you can live upto the conditions set to mureeds then just do as much as you can. The shaykh is a genuine ba amal shaykh with an exellent chain of tariqah and of true aqeeda too,but if you really dont wish to continue bayyah with him then it would be no sin on you to excuse yourself from his domain of mureeds,either through willful conviction that your bayyah is ended(in mind) or by taking bayyah elsewhere(although you must be careful you dont keep jumping ships all the time ,hence abit of research will be needed beforehand). Alot of these thoughts and doubts can be caused by shaytan where he sees something good,so think hard before you take any action(you might lose something good) A shaykh is a spiritual guide and a doctor to a mureed,without him its difficult for one to diagnose or cure ones ailments, with the danger of shaytan getting upper hand more often. What is it you dont agree with exactly,and are you disagreeing in aqeeda with him(i see you read deobandi material too)?
please explain!I have a friend who was coerced by dawate islami brothers to take bayyah in their tariqa,this brother did not really understand what he was getting into,nor what bayyah was and as a result he realised he could not live upto the conditions set(especially for brothers),he broke bayyah and after considerable thought he is now bayyah with shaykh sayyid mohammed yaqubi al shaami and happily progressing. If you stay in bayyah you may find that you may gain alot after this initial test(if it is such),but then if you are adamant on leaving then you wont be sinful( from a shari point of view anyway). Dont mentally torture yourself over it,as your health is of prime importance too. |
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Post by Naqshbandi on Nov 25, 2012 4:08:55 GMT
assalm u alaikum brothers and sisters, i recently took bayah at the dawat e islami website, and i have the utmost respect for ameer e ahle sunnah. but due to some reason i want to withdraw my bayah. is there a way? please tell me as i am very upset because of this issue because i think i am becoming sinful day by day by not following some of the teachings of the honorable ameer as i don't agree with some. i know i should have done my research before taking the bayah. but now i really need a solution. if anyone would help you would be lifting a great burden from my mind and heart. jazakAllah in advance. Salaam sister some Shaykhs will feel your bayah didn't even take place if you did it over letter or phone internet (absence of Shaykh). As there is a difference of opinion on this matter. |
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Post by Areff on Nov 25, 2012 7:05:35 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuSalaam sister some Shaykhs will feel your bayah didn't even take place if you did it over letter or phone internet (absence of Shaykh). As there is a difference of opinion on this matter. Bro, bayyath via letter, phone and internet is jaiz and do take place. Moulana Sheikh Nazim Naqshbandi too gives bayyath through this website. What kind of difference of opinion is there on this matter. Where can I get any article or speech by any scholar whose opinion differ. Jazak Allah |
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Post by Naqshbandi on Nov 25, 2012 8:28:28 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuSalaam sister some Shaykhs will feel your bayah didn't even take place if you did it over letter or phone internet (absence of Shaykh). As there is a difference of opinion on this matter. Bro, bayyath via letter, phone and internet is jaiz and do take place. Moulana Sheikh Nazim Naqshbandi too gives bayyath through this website. What kind of difference of opinion is there on this matter. Where can I get any article or speech by any scholar whose opinion differ. Jazak AllahWell brother, not wanting to disrespect people who do use the internet/phone/letter method, and I do realise that most do see this method as permissible, however there are a few who say that bayyah does not happen. My own shaykh is one of the buzurgs who say bayyah does not happen over internet/phone/letter. (Those people who give reference of Sayyedina Usman-e-ghani radi allahu ta'ala anhu need to remember he did enter hand in hand at one point in his life) I respect the opinions of those people who have taken bayyah through these methods, however I am not for it. I am just pointing this out to the sister that there are Shaykhs out there who have that opinion too. I am not sure of an article on this topic brother. Its something I have heard and something I am for. (Bare in mind it is not an Islamic ruling by me, but my bit to this thread, as it is a discussion forum and not fatwa delivering forum ;D) Following Dawat-e-Islami is fine as they are Sunnis. Sister needs to elaborate what exactly is it, as some misconceptions can be cleared up. |
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