Tasleem
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Post by Tasleem on Nov 26, 2004 17:13:07 GMT
Salaam sisters,
I have been meaning to start a new thread about beautifcation and women in Islam, but having just read the Imams reply on Sister Safia’s question regarding threading, I thought it would be appropriate to post the same reply but as a new thread on the sisters board, so that we can openly discuss issues of adornment amongst us.
The following information is copied and pasted from the reply given by Imam Sahib on the Question/Answer board:
The Beloved Prophet, Salla Allahu alayhi wa Sallam, said,
May Allah curse women who wear false hair or arrange it for others, who tattoo or have themselves tattooed, who pluck facial hair or eyebrows or have them plucked, and women who separate their front teeth for beauty, altering what Allah has created.
The above Hadith has been related by Imam Hafiz al-Hadith, Shams ud-Din, Al-Dhahabi, (B673H-D748H) in his famous work, Kitab al-Kabaâir; Book of Major sins.
Imam Hafiz Al-Hadith, Ahmad ibn Ali, Abu al-Fadl Shihab al-Din Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, (B773H-D852H) writes in his famous commentary on Sahih al-Bukhari, Fath al-Bari:
And, (Imam Yahya ibn Sharaf, Abu Zakariyya, Muhyi al-Din, B631H-D676H) al-Nawawi said, an exception from the prohibition of plucking away facial hair is when a woman has a beard, moustache, or hair growing between her lower lip and chin, in which cases it is not unlawful for her to remove it, but rather is Mustahab; commendable.
The permissibility being on condition that her husband knows of it and gives his permission, though it is prohibited if he does not, because of the deception it entails.
(Fath al-Bari)
The same conditions would apply for the plucking or threading of eyebrows.
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Surriya
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Post by Surriya on Nov 26, 2004 23:37:47 GMT
walaikum asalaam sis, A good thread. This is another big topic and inshaAllah will get our sisters discussing this issue of beautification. From my personal experience of having non-muslim both white, asian and black friends I've grown up thinking its important to look good, to look pretty. Thankfully i started wearing the hijab and got away from the agony of standing in front of the mirror for an hour doing up my hair and make-up. I'm not gonna try bringing up the issue of hijab in this thread but we do as women wear make up when we go out....but why, who for? The people who you pass by in the street, who you don't even know? So people don't think your unattractive? But then why do you want to be attractive? I'm not saying i'm perfect and i don't wear make-up cos i do, not on a daily basis and not everytime i go out. However, when I do I usually just put some eyeliner on. When I think and try to answer the above questions I as I'm sure many of you do end up with the answer, 'I put it on for myself'. Though sometimes I'm not convinced, and I try to put some eyeliner on and make self look good even when at home. And like the Imam has said its like going against Allah (swt), stating your not happy with the way He (the most Glorified) has created you.
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star
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Post by star on Nov 27, 2004 15:08:02 GMT
Just read this thread with interest! A bit upset to hear the answer As I thread my eyebrows, and I am wondering what I am going to do) i ca'nt stop doing them I'll have bushy eyebrows. Im not going against what the Imam has said, wished I had'nt done it in the first place now. There's going to be alot of bushy eyebrowed girls around, cos everybody does them!
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safia
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Post by safia on Nov 28, 2004 16:06:03 GMT
Sallam sisters, yes agree with you sis Najma,
Thats why I asked the question in the first place, then I heard it was Harem, and the Imam has confirmed it. We will just have to let them grow. Did'nt bother with any make up and that, only threaded my eyebrows!
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Nudrat
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Post by Nudrat on Dec 1, 2004 10:20:55 GMT
Well I too was a shocked at what I have just read. As there are a lot of beauty parlour's here in birmingham and all over Pakistanall over pakistan, and they do threading wazing and facials etc... Personally its not me, I have'nt touched my face, but i know alot of women who do have there eyebrows done. These beauty parlour's that are run by muslim women, what about them, do they get goonah for threading the ladies eyebrows?
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Post by zainab on Dec 3, 2004 17:34:30 GMT
Well I too was a shocked at what I have just read. As there are a lot of beauty parlour's here in birmingham and all over Pakistanall over pakistan, and they do threading wazing and facials etc... Personally its not me, I have'nt touched my face, but i know alot of women who do have there eyebrows done. These beauty parlour's that are run by muslim women, what about them, do they get goonah for threading the ladies eyebrows? Yes your right sister nudrat, ive been to india and pakistan, and there seems to be beauty parlours in every corner! And even here in london, and most of them are run by Muslim ladies. May be they all need to be educated. Im so glad I did'nt go down that road, but I sympathise with sister safia and sister Najma, if you have already threaded your eyebrows its going to be difficult to not do them.
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Post by Hafsah on Dec 6, 2004 20:57:47 GMT
hello Sisters,
salam,
What I understood from the Imam's question was that if your married you need your husbands permission, since the beautification is for him. However, if your single, unmarried or divorced seeking marriage then we can only do it if we need to, meaning if its making you seem ugly and its putting our husbands to be off us. In such a case then we can only do a trimming job but not thining it down that it looks artificial or we've taken more than necessary off.
I agree we should not have started in the first place but for those of us who have already done it then we must bring it to moderation. For Allah, SWT, loves moderation and judges according to our good/evil intentions.
I hope this makes sense.
Allah Hafiz!
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Faith
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Post by Faith on Dec 7, 2004 10:19:26 GMT
hello Sisters, salam, What I understood from the Imam's question was that if your married you need your husbands permission, since the beautification is for him. However, if your single, unmarried or divorced seeking marriage then we can only do it if we need to, meaning if its making you seem ugly and its putting our husbands to be off us. In such a case then we can only do a trimming job but not thining it down that it looks artificial or we've taken more than necessary off. I agree we should not have started in the first place but for those of us who have already done it then we must bring it to moderation. For Allah, SWT, loves moderation and judges according to our good/evil intentions. I hope this makes sense. Allah Hafiz! I was gald to read that as I too get my eybrows threaded and was wondering what to do like the other sisters, so thank you for that information. P.S. are you Hafsa from Bermondsey. South London? (hafsa Kahtrim ?) salams.
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Post by HAFSAH on Dec 7, 2004 20:08:41 GMT
Salam Hasina, I am glad you understood :omy Comments ;D from Hafsah BYE
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Post by 04shahm on Jan 13, 2005 11:32:25 GMT
Beauty in islam is very important its symbolising that your clean and sauber please write back my email is 02shahm@islam-online.net
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Nudrat
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Post by Nudrat on Jan 18, 2005 21:28:30 GMT
Beauty in islam is very important its symbolising that your clean and sauber please write back my email is 02shahm@islam-online.net Maybe you can give us a few tips
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