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Post by Hasan Askari on Jul 31, 2007 20:00:48 GMT
Bismillah-hir-Rahmaan-nir-Raheem Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Yaa Sayyadi Yaa Rasulallah Sallal Laahu Ta'alaa Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wa Sallam Brother Qadir, has any other Sunni Scholars said anything on this matter. The daawateislami link provides only an answer to the question that has been asked, it's not a fatwah. As it can be clearly seen in the answer there is no direct mention of this person's name. It must also be noted that the answer is carefully answered on a general basis. As for the www.yanabiallah.net/ link can you please give the direct link to what has been said on the matter so as to spare any one desiring to know further, the time to search through the site. From whatever can be read in the question it's condemnable. Jazaak Allah for informing. Sallalaahu Alan Nabiyyil Ummiyi Wa Alaa Aalehi Wa Sallam Salaatanw Wa Salaaman Alaika Yaa Rasulullah..[/b] [/quote] Would some one be kind to translate the above for me. JazakAllah
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Post by Saalik on Jul 31, 2007 21:20:14 GMT
Would some one be kind to translate the above for me. JazakAllah Brother, I will give an approximate translation as this urdu is a bit for me. "Belief in the cult of any creature of Allah Azzawajal, considering disbelievers as muslims and considering muslims as disbelievers is infidelity (kufr). Therefore those who bear these contrary virtueless beliefs, the arrogant (gustakh), the ignorant (jaahil), the transgressor (faasiq), the libertine (faajir) are rather disbelievers, repentance and renewal of imaan is obligatory."This is the answer of Imam Abu Saleh Muhammad Qaasim Qadri on the dawateislami link. The english version of the questioner's words are at the beginning of this thread.
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Post by MRT on Jul 31, 2007 23:46:11 GMT
Just look at Baghdad, hijaz, and throughout india HOW MANY SHRINES AND MAZAHARS have been levelled BY HINDUS, AMERICANS, SHIAS AND WAHHABIS. Which shrine is levelled in India. Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuOne in Gujerat, Ahmedabad i think. Not sure who the buzurk was. I read about it on here a while back. Will try and trace it and repost FFS.
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Post by Anwar K on Aug 1, 2007 14:07:54 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
If this so called pir, has said those things about Ghous Paak Radi Allahu anhu then he is not a sunni. And why is he against people reading books and learning is he only attracting illiterates?
Sounds very dodgy to me.
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Post by qadir on Aug 1, 2007 17:31:07 GMT
Brother im not here to defame any person i myself a sunni hanfi a great fan of hazrat hashmi miyan sahib(Allah ki qasam i was in multan and i heared clearly from this sheikh amin’s toungh when he said (log kehtay hain ke kohi sheikh abdul qadir tha likin yeh sab aik afsana ha haqeeqat nahi) People talk about sheikh abdul qadir jilani but he was not a real person its just a man made story. I have informed hazrat hashmi miyan sahib long ago about this man and orther scholars of ahle sunat w jamat in Pakistan.the ulams told me that they too have heard about this man in multan but we lack a solid proof of it the day we got any proof we will go after him. Allah ki qasam I don’t have any personal dispute with this sheikh amin or to any of his murids I only want to inform all the muslims to be careful from this type of fitnah . He is preaching wahabiyat and kufar on the name of Sufism.he ask he murids to read lots of doorod paak so 1 can think him a sunni brailvi but in real he is using the name of Nabi paak(pbuh) like wahabi deobandis using name of Allah all mighty to make muslims bad aqeeda. I have personally called hazrat hashmi miyan,hazrat irfan mashdi sahib,hazrat kokab noorani sahib,hazrat turab ulhaq sahib hazrat usman qadri sahib and many more ullmas to inform them about this fitnah. At the moment there is a debate going on nafseislam.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1248&st=0entry2475 pls visit the site and you will come to know more about this fitnah of sheikh amin.
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Post by Hafeez on Aug 1, 2007 18:13:22 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
I am alarmed at reading this br qadir:
even more shocked at this:
he is not a sunni by any means, even some wahabbi's accept pir rane pir ghuas ul azam syedinah Shiekh Abdul Qadir Jilani Radi Allahu anhu
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Post by qadir on Aug 2, 2007 16:48:34 GMT
One more proof of a sheikh amin’s murids ignorance and lack of knowledge in wikipedia he writes (Shaikh Mohammad Ameen bin Abdurrahman is a prominent sufi Shaikh. He spent most of his time in Saudi Arabia in the past. He remianed registered imam of MASJID/MOSQUE HAZRAT BILAL situated near khana KAABA MASJID NABWI S.A.W.W.He is now based in Multan, a city in southern Punjab.) en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=147141991"He remianed registered imam of MASJID/MOSQUE HAZRAT BILAL situated near khana KAABA MASJID NABWI S.A.W.W" This is an example of sheikh amin's mureeds blind faith. They don't know Khana Kaaba is situated around 415 km away from Masjid e Nabwi Sharif (Sallallahoalaihewassallam). Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sheikh_Amin" This sheikh amin and his murids are so ill informed that they don’t know the location of khana kaba and masjid nabwi. ;D
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Post by Abdul Rafiq on Aug 2, 2007 17:01:13 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
I think i have read and seen enough to decide that this guy is a phoney.
Jazakallah brother for making us aware.
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Post by qadir on Feb 29, 2008 16:07:12 GMT
Assalamualaikum. This audio clip is of a sheikh amin who calls himself a Pir or a Wali and of Ahle Bait where he clearly accepts concept of Sulah-Kulli-ism by supporting and publicizing a Deo-bandi book and scholars of Deo-band and of Tablighi Jamaa'at. The book is "akabir ka maqam-e-ibadat" by Shabbir Ahmad Usmani Deo-bandi. He says: 1. "Knowledge is sea, neither a friend of Allah can understand it nor a Prophet..... not everybody has reached the knowledge..... who are we to reach the knowledge when Khizar could not reach it. Master (Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam) said about himself that not much possession over spiritual knowledge is under his reach." (ma'azAllah)if any one ask this sheikh amin when did Nabi paak (pbuh) said so he will not give the reference of this hadis so sheikh amin is a lair and any one who lie about Nabi paak (pbuh) will go to hell. Litterally we use the term "samandar" in urdu to express that the thing is inaccessible. Rest context is self-explanatory 2. "Believe reading this book is more than an obligation on you..... This book is a great gift for us. Just believe as if this book is the basic book of our silsila. Don't see this that the book is written by a Deo-bandi or Tablighi..... This book will be a lot beneficial for you..... Even an illiterate should also keep this book which will be a cause for great barakaat" 3. "understand it like we have some concessions in our Silsila." 4. label everybody (who has passed away) as "Radi Allahu anh, Rahmatullah Alaih (May Allah be pleased with him, Allah's mercy be upon him)" 5. May God reward Sheikh ul Hind (Mahmood Hasan Deo-bandi) and fill his grave with the light (Noor). Hazrat Sheikh ul Islam Shabbir Ahmad Usmani, who wrote the tafseer, may God reward him too. 6. We should keep good relations with Tablighi Jamaa'at. Don't say anything bad to them, they are spreading Islam. Audio Clip: www.mediafire.com/?5wxzonmnjzm
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Post by Javed on Feb 29, 2008 22:59:06 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
astagfirallah, Its a disgrace,
once a wahabi always an extremist wahabi.
Jazakallah brother qadir for sharing this information.
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Post by Anwar K on Mar 1, 2008 12:01:27 GMT
If you have a photo of this guy brother qadir please send a pic so we know what he looks like and can avoid him
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Post by qadir on Mar 1, 2008 16:08:30 GMT
sorry brother Anwar i dont have his photo but he live in 381 shah rukan e alam colony multan pakistan.he has very long hairs like women (40 to 50 inch)long he is about 65 year old fair skin medium hight heavy bulid mongol eyes (small eyes) im sending one more of his clip where he is saying some sahabas were munafik but not all. he is a big sheetan. MashAllah.mp3 (10568 KB) what he is saying in this clip is (golmol baat karte hain ke sahaba munafik thay,munafik thay likin wo nahi jin ka naam liya giya ha)
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Post by Sister Nomee on Mar 1, 2008 16:21:52 GMT
sorry brother Anwar i dont have his photo but he live in 381 shah rukan e alam colony multan pakistan.he has very long hairs like women (40 to 50 inch)long he is about 65 year old fair skin medium hight heavy bulid mongol eyes (small eyes) im sending one more of his clip where he is saying some sahabas were munafik but not all. he is a big sheetan. MashAllah.mp3 (10568 KB) what he is saying in this clip is (golmol baat karte hain ke sahaba munafik thay,munafik thay likin wo nahi jin ka naam liya giya ha) Personally I would stay away from such deviant people Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by Hasan Askari on Mar 1, 2008 22:58:58 GMT
assalam o aalaikum brother keep visiting nafseislam.com/forum/index.ph...#entry2475there is a debate going on with this shetani sheikh amin's murids.there are some follwers of this shetan in london too.there was a detailed post about this sheikh amin which exposed him on www.yanabi.com but they have deleted it.i hope we all sunnis are united to expose all kind fitnas in islam.isha Allah. The topic was not deleted.It was moved away from the public because it was causing tooo much fitna..The same thing will happen on this thread.
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Post by shakeel1968 on Apr 16, 2008 21:14:01 GMT
Salaam aliequm Brothers, accidently I came to this web site. And read about sheikh Amin bin abdur Rehman, in the past I have heard about him, so I got keen to read it more. But I was surprised about the comments I have read on this website. Calling him names and calling him bad words. So this make me more anxious to read about him. Finally when I read and got some cd’s and heard I was surprised that he loves Allah and Muhammad (saw) so much, amazing. Subhan Allah. About his saying that no one has the complete knowledge of anything in this world. Not khizar alayhis 'salam not any prophet even Muhammad (saw) does not have the complete ilm according to his hadith. And he calls himself that prophet (saw) and Allah is in his body. First of all I would like to say: Every human has their own level as physically, mentally and spiritually. Muhammad (saw) said, “who is the enemy of wali Allah’s, Allah will attack them as lion attacks”. Allah says in quran, “I will become your hands, feet, eyes, ears, if you follow me and Muhammad (saw)”. If does not mean that a person becomes Allah, NO, it means whatever that person wants to do, will happen” Muhammad (saw) said, “Allah lives in mumins heart” it does not mean that Allah really lives in mumins heart. It means feeling, remembrance of Allah, love of Allah. These all things are the way of explaining that I love them so much I feel them in me, or all the time remembering them, so they are in me I don’t forget them. It means there love, remembering, sayings are in me. That what Sheikh Ameen is trying to explain. As we say, quran is in his heart” it does not mean that quran is really in his heart, NO, it means that he learned quran and remember it, loves it, read it, all the time and follow. So we use word as metaphorically. About the knowledge (ilm). Once a shabah said, “by the will of Allah and Muhammad (saw) something will happen, Muhammad (sw) suddenly stopped him and said, are you making me equal to Allah, Don.t, then after a small period Muhammad (saw) said, “ say if Allah wants and after Allah Muhammad (saw) wants, do NOT make me equal to Allah. Once Muhammad (saw) asked, “who wants to know anything I will tell them and some people asked few questions about them for past, future and Muhammad (saw) answered them correctly. Now here is the point: Allah is the creator RAB, and we all are his creation. Muhammad (saw) is HIS creation not Allah. Muhammad is the leader of all prophets. messenger of all mankind and jinn in all times. Muhammad (saw) is the top in HIS creations and Allah love Muhammad (saw) so much that HE will show people in the day of judgment, insha-Allah. Allah is Rehman, Raheem and Muhammad (saw) is rehman and raheem. So what is the difference? The difference is that Allah is Rehman as himself and Muhammad (saw) is rehman because of Allah. Means Allah made him rehman after him, so this rehman character is given by Allah. So everything or knowledge is given by Allah to Muhammad (saw). Muhammad (saw) has all knowledge (ilm) of past, present and future but NOT equal to Allah’s knowledge (ilm). When some sheikh or wali Allah talks about the knowledge (ilm) they compare to Allah’s knowledge not worldly ilm. That what sheikh Ameen is trying to say. About daubandi or berelvi or tablighi: Muhammad (saw) said, there will be 72 sects (firqay) in islam.sahabah asked then who will be the correct one. Muhammad (saw) said, those who follow quran, sunnah and close to my sahabah” Daobandi, berelvi they are places and those people were from those places and they use their place name at the end of their names. BUT all follow one Allah, Muhammad (saw), Quran, believe in Day of Judgment. Means there ROOTS are the same, just like 4 imans, hanfi, maliki, humbli, shafi. They all follow and believe in one Allah, Muhammad (saw), Quran, and Day of Judgment. If you follow any imam you are following Allah, Muhammad (saw), quran. (those imams explain quran and sunnah, but they follow Allah and Muhammad (saw)). The problem is our mind, thinking, proud, lack of knowledge (ilm), nafs, culture where we live and shaitan. We set our mind to one thing and start saying things which we should not. For example: If one father has many sons and if they fight with each other for stupid things even they know that they have one father. Can you imagine the feeling of that father how much that father will hurt and heart broken. so the same way, can you imagine that how much Muhammad (saw) will hurt when we say bad to each other and talk against each other daubandi or berelvi or tablighi etc. Muhammad (saw) said, be united that is why Allah created a Numaz to be united. We all from different fathers, colors, physical types, standing to one Allah in the Numaz, what we do their we follow Allah, Muhammad (saw) Quran, so we all are different people but we have same ROOTS, Allah, Muhammad (Saw) and Quran. That what Sheikh Ameen is trying to say “Don’t hate each other, don’t say bad things about other, love each other, respect each other” because Muhammad (saw) want us to be united under Allah, Muhammad (saw). Brothers, I would humbly suggest, please do NOT say anything to any walli Allah you don’t know, who and what they are, may be you will committed a crime in the eye of Allah and Muhammad (saw) because that what shaitan wants to do. Please don’t do that. Muhammad (saw) lived in Medina and there were lots of non Muslims were living there Jews, etc, Muhammad (saw) never said and bad word to them, not even to Hippocrates Musalama Qazab. One more thing as I mentioned that we all have different level of mental and spiritual capacity. Sometimes a person cannot have a 1000mg, or 2000mg, or 500mg of medicine yablets, they can kill a comma on person but they are made of some people. So the person who takes 2500mg medicine can be screaming out loud and calling bad names to the doctor (oh marditta zallim, yeh doctor bara bura way) it does not means that the doctor is bad, it means that your body cannot take that much of cure, means your body has lots of bad bacteria which is working against your body and not letting cure to come to your body. The same sheitan will find all his way to keep you away, if you don’t stay away he will make you to use your tongue against and some how you commit something wrong. If you really wants to find out about Sheikh Amin bin abdur rehman, then please go to Multan and find out. If you don’t it is up to you. But please don’t hurt Muhammad (saw) doing back bit or say bad things about each other. Muhammad (saw) said, “back biting is hugh sin, sahabah asked, ya Rasool Allah, that person has that habit, then Muhammad (saw) said, that is why it sin, don’t against your brothers, some asked what about if person does not have that habit. Than Muhammad (saw) said, “it is accusing (tuhmaat) and thmaat is bigger sin than backbiting. After reading this hadees figure out what we are doing.
Allah show and make us to stay on correct path.
Salaam aliequm Shakeel
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Post by qadir on Apr 17, 2008 10:46:16 GMT
Sheikh amin did say in his speech (jab khizat ne ilm ko aboor nahi kiya aqa (Nabi paak)ne apnay motaliq bi kaha tha ke marfat ka ilm meray aboor mein bi itna nahi ata)
when Khizar could not reach it. Master (Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam) said about himself that not much possession over spiritual knowledge is under his reach." (ma'azAllah)
i like to ask sheikh amin sahib when did Nabi paak (pbuh) said so and from which hadis sharif it is written?
Jis ne Nabi ppak per jhoot bandha os ka mokam jahanam hota ha ya nahi? before defending sheikh amin if you can bring the reference of the hadis that Nabi paak(pbuh) when did Nabi paak(pbuh)say he dose not much possession over spiritual knowledge is under his reach? my claim is that our master Nabi paak (pbuh) naver said that he dose not not much possession over spiritual knowledge is under his reach. pls bring the reference of hadis?i hope you will not ran away and bring the reference soon. if you could not bring the reference then it is (which you or sheikh amin can not) clear that sheikh amin lied about Nabi paak (pbuh) and who ever lie about Nabi paak (pbuh) will go to hell.sheikh amin said in his clip to pay respact for tablighis and deobandis? pls let me know if islam allows the respect of someone who tries do degrade the Nabi paak (pbuh) ? brother this sheikh amin is a misled person and ask him why did he lie? i hope to hear from you soon and hope you will bring the reference of the hadis too.
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Post by ya habibi on Apr 17, 2008 14:49:50 GMT
And the right path is defintely not with this ghutakhi sheik, sounds like you have fallen for his tricks as well.
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Post by qadir on Apr 17, 2008 15:56:43 GMT
mr shakeel1968 pls visit this site and you will come to know that no murid of sheikh amin has come with the reference even after 2 month's time has passed. i hope you will not ran away like sheikh amin's orther murids. for your help im going to give you sheikh amin's telephone number too so you can call him and ask him when Master (Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam) said about himself that not much possession over spiritual knowledge is under his reach." (ma'azAllah) XXXXXnow you got all the details of his contact call him soon and let us know the reference of this hadis? here is the link of the debate pls do visit it and see they did not come with the reference and ran away. www.yanabi.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=4&threadid=39077&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=LinearModerator's note Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Displaying people's personal addresses on forums is not appropiate. If anyone wants the contact details for Sheikh Amin private message brother Qadir. Wassalamu 'alaykum Haarith
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Post by shakeel1968 on Apr 17, 2008 17:55:43 GMT
Brothers, salaam aliequm
As I mentioned before we all have different levels of knowledge.
My point is that we cannot understand Einstein, or marqooni or graham bell, because at that time those people thought they were insane. Having a beard does not means we are on good path or we are correct, shikh’s have longer beard than Muslims.
Allah has given us a brain, quran and sunnah, HE knows that we will fall into shaitan or nafs tricks. The biggest thing for nafs is me, myself, I that where we get into trouble, then we don’t listen anyone, accept anything, even the knowledge Allah has given to us destroyed by our proudness, the biggest example is Iblees or mirza ghulam ahmad. I pray Allah give hadyat to me and everyone amen.
I been in lots of countries I have seen lots of different cultures and Muslim kinds. Even I have seen Muslims calling names to Allah and Muhammad (saw) (I seek refuge in Allah) they say things you cannot imagine I wanted to beat them, but I did not because Allah and Muhammad (saw) stopped us, if I will argue may be they will say more bad things to Allah and Muhammad (saw) I am talking about Muslims. But they are living happy life. Allah will get them, Allah knows better.
Allah says in quran, “Do NOT believe on any gossips or information until you confirm it or with incorrect information you may fall on other people”.
Muhammad (saw) said, “this is enough for a lair person who listens and pass on to others”.
Internet is not a confirmation source, you go to google video and find out million people talking against Muhammad (saw) and giving their own opinions. Now those many no Muslims are getting into that trap and hating Islam even Muslims are falling too.
Internet is good and bad for many things, going to this website or that website is not s proof, those are their own opinions. Now a days anyone can give a fatwa that what is happening in Muslim world, fatwas against everything. If we follow Allah and Muhammad (saw) then we don’t need fatwas.
My point was which I have pointed out before. If you don’t like someone don’t say bad things about them. For example.
You go to the doctor and doctor will give you a medicine and nothing happens to you, you are not cured you got angry and tell people this doctor is not good. He is phony, liar, has no shifa in his hand. But many people goes to that doctor and get cured, believe me this happens to me. I went to another doctor and got cured why, because Allah has written my cure through some other doctor. BUT it does NOT mean that the previous doctor is not good, he is good too but I could not get cured by him, but others do.
Same way we have to believe 124000 prophets but follow only last prophet, we believe in 4 holy books but follow on last one. It does not mean that previous prophets and books are incorrect. This is sheitan who does all his tricks in our mind, even when you are reading this email you are getting angry and hating me. That’s how sheitan works against our parents, wife, kids, relative etc.
One thing is clear that Allah is NOT going to ask us in our graves that give me an internet link about him or her. Or about any sheikh or walli Allah, Allah will ask only ROOTS questions that is our goal, how you get to those ROOTS, that is WASEELA (walli Allah, Sheikh’s) through hanfi, maleki, humbli, shafi, geobandi, brelvi, sunni, lahori, peshawari or multani, we should not care about it, our goal should be Allah and Muhammad (saw) Qadam mubarik. That is it.
For example, if you fly from different countries in different plans, with different pilots and crew and they know how to fly the plan from different routes and all are taking you to medina than they are good. See where he is taking you, all pilots are different but flying the plan is the same and destination is the same.
Allah says in Quran that Quran is mercy, cure, and knowledge but in the same Quran Allah say those people who have impurity in their hearts this Quran will lead them insanity.
We have seen many Muslims in that trouble even in 1400 years ago. We think we are doing good but we are not, we just think and sheitan brings other satanic people around and make a group of incorrect thinking that is how sects born.
Please brothers don’t back bit or spread hatred in Islam. We are Muslims and stay as Muslims instead of telling someone incorrect things about walli Allah or Sheikhs, we should say “WALLA ho ALUM”. Leave it on Allah and Muhammad (saw).
We should work on ourselves and fix ourselves, strong our iman NOT our nafs, Allah is not going to ask you about any walli Allah or Sheikh’s. walli Allah’s and Sheikhs are WASEELA’s. Not manzil. But we should respect them, if we understand them or not. Respect is for everyone Muslims, or no Muslims.
Please do NOT, do NOT hurt Muhammad (saw), Muhammad (saw) says, I see my ummah’s each person like I see my hand palm”.
Rest Allah knows better.
Salaam aliequm Shakeel
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