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Post by Saalik on Jan 5, 2013 19:43:58 GMT
The benefits of doing pure zikr are HUGE. One of the best I found is that it really helps to reduce the sleep time. My 6 to 8 hours a day sleep was brought down to 3 to 4 hours a day and still feel very fresh when I do pure zikr. Also from my experience, for quick improvements the ism of the zikr you use should match your actual real world strengths. If you are an athlete, then you should use the ism which will support those athletic abilities and if you are an artist, you should use those ism that will support artistic abilities. Even without pure zikr all these are possible for Muslims as well as non-Muslims. In your case since you are reciting Paak Kalaam in your own way, you are getting only thawaab but not really progressing spiritually. This also applies to what you in your opinion consider reciting one thousand of an Ism e Paak in 15 to 20 minutes as a speedy and excellent spiritual booster. At such rate you'll never know what true spirituality is. For the rest later.
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Post by thc on Jan 6, 2013 10:16:59 GMT
assalamu alaykum,
Sleeping three to four hours a day almost everyday is quite hard
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Post by Saalik on Jan 6, 2013 17:46:51 GMT
assalamu alaykum, Sleeping three to four hours a day almost everyday is quite hard Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuFor people who do meditation (even non Islamic type) it's not difficult because it's like a deep stage of non-rapid eye movement sleep during which the body repairs and regenerates tissues. Building of bones and muscles also happen and the immune system is also strengthened. During this period our system undergoes the stages we normally undergo before falling into rapid eye movement sleep, the phase during which we dream and which doesn't last long. This is the reason why a person who meditates doesn't need long hours of sleep and is fresh when he wakes up. A good part of the process of sleep elapses during meditation.
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Jan 6, 2013 19:27:12 GMT
assalamu alaykum, Sleeping three to four hours a day almost everyday is quite hard Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuFor people who do meditation (even non Islamic type) it's not difficult because it's like a deep stage of non-rapid eye movement sleep during which the body repairs and regenerates tissues. Building of bones and muscles also happen and the immune system is also strengthened. During this period our system undergoes the stages we normally undergo before falling into rapid eye movement sleep, the phase during which we dream and which doesn't last long. This is the reason why a person who meditates doesn't need long hours of sleep and is fresh when he wakes up. A good part of the process of sleep elapses during meditation. So what is alam e jazb??? the world of jazb
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Post by thc on Jan 7, 2013 19:42:13 GMT
assalamualaykum,
During the meditation one can fall asleep?
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Post by Sayyad Ayaz on Jan 8, 2013 13:41:45 GMT
walaykum salaaam, What is muwakalaat as there is no evidence in quran and haeeth for their existance? Can we recite asma ul husna once a day or even twice a day i.e once in the morning and evening? Brother Muakillat means ANGELS (MADE OF NOOR).... and Existence of Angels is proved in Holy Quran.....
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Post by observer on Jan 9, 2013 9:31:00 GMT
Where is Syed Mohammed Rehan Al Hussaini Qadiri Shah Sahib when you need him? What you do is your choice but if you make a mistake in your zikr then you may live to regret it. Just get permission from an amil or peer or Allama and you will be ok Inshallah. Why the fear brother? So far things are going swimmingly well. What should I look out for?
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Post by observer on Jan 9, 2013 9:43:10 GMT
In your case since you are reciting Paak Kalaam in your own way, you are getting only thawaab but not really progressing spiritually. This also applies to what you in your opinion consider reciting one thousand of an Ism e Paak in 15 to 20 minutes as a speedy and excellent spiritual booster. At such rate you'll never know what true spirituality is. For the rest later. Doesn't really matter if I don't get into the depths of spirituality. As long as I can get practical benefits of doing the zikr, I am satisfied
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Post by Saalik on Jan 9, 2013 22:13:48 GMT
Doesn't really matter if I don't get into the depths of spirituality. As long as I can get practical benefits of doing the zikr, I am satisfied Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuWill you still not bother if you get only the practical benefits of Namaz and not the spiritual benefits.May be I got misled when you talked about strengthening your spiritual self, making hisar, spiritual booster and so on. About the 3 questions (not yet answered) which I asked earlier, I'll reduced them to only one, please do give your opinion even though it may seem not to be directly related to the topic of this thread: What is your opinion on asking from Sayyidinah Rasoolullah (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi wa Sallam) and from the Awliya e Kiraam (Rahmatullahi Ta'ala Alayhim).
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Post by observer on Jan 10, 2013 1:52:46 GMT
Doesn't really matter if I don't get into the depths of spirituality. As long as I can get practical benefits of doing the zikr, I am satisfied Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuWill you still not bother if you get only the practical benefits of Namaz and not the spiritual benefits.May be I got misled when you talked about strengthening your spiritual self, making hisar, spiritual booster and so on. Namaz and Zikr are different right? Let's keep everything in their right perspective. There are many ways of using and doing the Zikr, not necessarily to use a certain style or method. The way I am doing now seem to work for me Like you mentioned, not really relevant here
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Post by Saalik on Jan 10, 2013 7:30:47 GMT
Namaz and Zikr are different right? Let's keep everything in their right perspective. There are many ways of using and doing the Zikr, not necessarily to use a certain style or method. The way I am doing now seem to work for me Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuThe basic principle is the same. Similar as reciting a thousand of an Ism e Paak in 20 mins doesn't yield the flavour of what you are reciting, reading 2 rak'ah of Namaz in 3 mins will not yield the real flavour of Namaz. The quick and hasty reciter or reader gets only the practical benefits, thawaab included. For a hasty reader or reciter, he practically benefits from the postures and attitudes adopted like in a physical exercise. A person taking at least five mins to read 2 rak'ah of namaz carefully and not hastily will benefit more spiritually because he stays in the presence of His Lord more thereby benefitting from the divine radiance. I said even though it may seem not to be directly related to the topic of this thread. Apparently in your opinion it is not really relevant so let's put it in the unveiled form . What is your opinion on doing the Zikr of the Asma un Nabi (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi wa Sallam), for example reciting Ya Muhammad (O Praised One) or Ya Qasim (O Distributer) or Ya Naasir (O Helper) 1000 times.
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Jan 10, 2013 8:31:08 GMT
Where is Syed Mohammed Rehan Al Hussaini Qadiri Shah Sahib when you need him? What you do is your choice but if you make a mistake in your zikr then you may live to regret it. Just get permission from an amil or peer or Allama and you will be ok Inshallah. Why the fear brother? So far things are going swimmingly well. What should I look out for? Allah Azwajul protect all the sunni muslims. Ameen
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Post by thc on Jan 10, 2013 20:33:49 GMT
assalamu alaykum,
Should zikr not be done slowly?
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Post by Bint e Attar on Jan 11, 2013 11:16:58 GMT
assalamu alaykum, Should zikr not be done slowly? Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuYess and with proper tajweed.. whats the point of doing zikr if ur not even pronouncing the words right..
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Jan 11, 2013 14:48:58 GMT
assalamu alaykum, Should zikr not be done slowly? Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuYess and with proper tajweed.. whats the point of doing zikr if ur not even pronouncing the words right.. People like me dont even recite the quran but still get benifits. Allah is kareem. Even big ulema make mistakes. One should try there utmost best to recite properly. But that doesnt mean give up.
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Post by Saalik on Jan 11, 2013 16:44:22 GMT
People like me dont even recite the quran but still get benifits. Allah is kareem. Even big ulema make mistakes. One should try there utmost best to recite properly. But that doesnt mean give up. Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuIf instead of saying Ya Allah! (O Allah!) one hastily says Yallah (move away from here) then it's So what is alam e jazb??? the world of jazb I've not heard or read it as such but it does make sense in meaning. Jazb means attraction, so Aalam e Jazb means the world of attraction. When one is in the state of jazba or wajd (ecstasy) he's attracted to the invisible world called Aalam e Mithal.
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Jan 11, 2013 16:53:39 GMT
People like me dont even recite the quran but still get benifits. Allah is kareem. Even big ulema make mistakes. One should try there utmost best to recite properly. But that doesnt mean give up. Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuIf instead of saying Ya Allah! (O Allah!) one hastily says Yallah (move away from here) then it's So what is alam e jazb??? the world of jazb I've not heard or read it as such but it does make sense in meaning. Jazb means attraction, so Aalam e Jazb means the world of attraction. When one is in the state of jazba or wajd (ecstasy) he's attracted to the invisible world called Aalam e Mithal. and what happens on in alam e mithal? sorry, i dnt know much about roohaniyat
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Post by Saalik on Jan 11, 2013 17:07:53 GMT
and what happens on in alam e mithal? sorry, i dnt know much about roohaniyat It's the world of spirits/souls (not to be confounded with Aalam e Arwah). They live their own lives as predestined by Allah Ta'ala. Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem (Surah az Zariyat 51, Verse 56) And I created the jinns and men, only for them to worship Me. Humans live in the physical world (Aalam e Shahadah) and spirits live in the invisible world (Aalam e Mithal).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 17:40:06 GMT
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Post by observer on Jan 12, 2013 10:51:29 GMT
Namaz and Zikr are different right? Let's keep everything in their right perspective. There are many ways of using and doing the Zikr, not necessarily to use a certain style or method. The way I am doing now seem to work for me Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuThe basic principle is the same. Similar as reciting a thousand of an Ism e Paak in 20 mins doesn't yield the flavour of what you are reciting, reading 2 rak'ah of Namaz in 3 mins will not yield the real flavour of Namaz. The quick and hasty reciter or reader gets only the practical benefits, thawaab included. For a hasty reader or reciter, he practically benefits from the postures and attitudes adopted like in a physical exercise. If going slow works for you, then great. But I only get the benefits (spiritual too, you know) when I do it fast. Perhaps one day when my soul gets more enlightened I can do it slow like you Not correct. Not the staying presence but the quality. A perfect namaz done slowly will get a higher quality score than fast ones. No idea about the above. Right now only concentrating on the Asma ul Husna. BTW found a certain Asma when recited for only 300 times allows you to skip sleep for the day and still feel fresh for the next day at work. Quite awesome
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