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Post by Saalik on Oct 7, 2009 19:03:18 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu [/color] Some signs of fake peers which are common in todays society.He picks and chooses which to follow from Shariah,
He enjoys the company of women mostly,
He asks for money under the pretext of using it for good purposes which in reality is for his own purposes,
He makes people whom he has trapped to swear on the Qur'an Shareef that they will continue to support him financially, whatever be the condition,
He goes further in lying about dreaming of Sayyidinah Rasoolullah Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam telling him to tell so and so to swear on the Qur'an Shareef that they will continue to give money to him to help the poor,
Despite knowing that a person is already Mureed to a Shaykh, he compells that person to take bai'at from him and further says to the person that his peer is fake and his bai'at is null,
He shamelessly says that apart from his lineage all other Pirs are weak without sparing the Kaamil One,
He proudly boast about his blood lineage and qualifies other Shuyukh as inferior,
He lies and says that one can safely lie without condition for the sake of Islam,
He also believes in reincarnation. Please everyone feel free to add to the list so that everyone know how to recognize them and also prevent innocent people from falling in the trap of the fake peers  and later find themselves in difficulty to get out after being brainwashed with distorted Islamic theories.
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Oct 7, 2009 19:17:19 GMT
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Post by Saalik on Oct 7, 2009 19:48:10 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuMany people say that a shaykh has to be alim to be a shaykh is this true??? He must do Dars E Nizami  The reply I get from them people is that Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmed Raza Khan Rahmatullahi 'alayh said so  I don't know what exactly Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhu said but one thing is sure, the person must be an Aalim who is followed and who of course himself follows Shariah. At the time of receiving Khilafat from a Kaamil Shaykh other forms of knowledge are also filled in the heart of the Khalifa. Most important fact is that a kaamil Shaykh will never give khilafat to someone who is not fit for it. If that person wavers from the true path later then it's the person's fault, not that of the Shaykh. Such cases are rare and I personally see in them a message from Allah Subhaanahu Wa Ta'ala that, whoever you are, you must be always be on your guard and not feel completely free from the accursed shaytaan whom you must continually combat by not giving free way to your nafs.By the Blessed Nigaahein Karam of a Kaamil Wali of Allah Subhaanahu Wa Ta'ala even an illiterate can become an aalim. They also transmit knowledge via their Blessed Saliva mixed in food and drinks and hugging (seena baseena). One among the last advices of my Beloved Shaykh to us was: It's better to strive to become a good pupil of your Shaykh than to strive to become a Peer. During the last days of his stay in this world he used to recite Mein So Jaaoun Ya Mustapha (Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam) Kehtay Kehtay Khulay Ankh Salli Alaa Kehtay Kehtay.  Nigaahein Wali May Wo Taasir Dekhi Badaltey Hazaaron Ki Taqdir Dekhi |
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Post by Bint e Attar on Oct 7, 2009 20:15:58 GMT
Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuHmm.. sometimes its not so easy to recognise a fake peer.. bc most of them are good at faking (specially at the beginning).. And when u realize that they are not for real.. then its already too late.. u would be lucky to get out of it.. bc most of them also know few things abt black magic.. 
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Post by Saalik on Oct 7, 2009 20:22:47 GMT
Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuHmm.. sometimes its not so easy to recognise a fake peer.. bc most of them are good at faking (specially at the beginning).. And when u realize that they are not for real.. then its already too late.. u would be lucky to get out of it.. bc most of them also know few things abt black magic.. Agreed and this why we must expose all their evil disguises to make people aware and to prevent innocent people from falling in their satanic traps. |
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Post by Sister Nomee on Oct 7, 2009 20:27:54 GMT
Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuHmm.. sometimes its not so easy to recognise a fake peer.. bc most of them are good at faking (specially at the beginning).. And when u realize that they are not for real.. then its already too late.. u would be lucky to get out of it.. bc most of them also know few things abt black magic.. I agree sister, I personally have never met any fake peer, but am told they often are clean shaven (not stereotyping  ), very manipulative and easily brainwash, and most of all not very punctual with their namaaz or followers of Sunnah  . May we all be protected from fake peers and Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'alabless true peer's a long and prosperous life ameen. Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu |
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Oct 7, 2009 20:59:22 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Brother Saalik thanks for the detailed reply. Inshallah I hope I will find a good kamil shaykh. Ameen summa ameen.
Brother Saalik thanks also for sharing about your blessed shaykh. Inshallah hope you will tell is more about them if its possible???
Jazakallah Khayrun
Wasalamu Alaykum
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Post by Saalik on Oct 7, 2009 21:31:00 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuBrother Saalik thanks for the detailed reply. Inshallah I hope I will find a good kamil shaykh. Ameen summa ameen. Brother Saalik thanks also for sharing about your blessed shaykh. Inshallah hope you will tell is more about them if its possible??? Jazakallah Khayrun Wasalamu Alaykum Yes Haafiz Saahib, it's time as Bai'at is a must. The Prophet (Sallal laahu Ta'ala alayhi Wa Sallam) said: “Whoever dies and did not make an oath of allegiance (to the Muslim leader) has died a death of jaahiliyyah.” (Narrated by Muslim, 1851) Extremely Important: It's the Awliyah of Allah Subhaanahu Wa Ta'ala who are our True Muslim Leaders and not any king or so, otherwise it would mean making oath of allegiance to the king of Saudi Arabia 
About my Beloved Shaykh, Insha Allah, I may share what I can but in another thread, later. |
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Oct 7, 2009 21:36:44 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuBrother saalik please do share about your shaykh. Pics of His blessed face and mazar will be good as I can to the right threads inshallah  Do you believe there is anything wrong with taking oath on phone from a shaykh from diffrent country???
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Post by asif trying 2 b rabbani on Oct 7, 2009 22:03:05 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhui think the main fact you can tell a fake pier is when they ask for money? ???That's it the game's gone if you ask me. ;D
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Post by Naseeruddin Qadri on Oct 8, 2009 5:21:01 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
I feel it is very much necessary to judge shaykh based on his actions, his words. Are they according to will of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala. When satisfied devote yourself to him. When ever you get a question/doubt it is better to ask shaykh rather than estimating something else.
Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by Saalik on Oct 8, 2009 11:04:10 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
In short we must look if the apparent Peer is following Shariah. In this field, Shariah must not be taken for granted by the Peer, whoever he is, even if he's from a noble lineage as there's no exception according to one's lineage in the application of Shariah.
Most of us know of the narration where it is mentioned that the accursed tried to lure Sayyidinah Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilaani Qaddas Allahu Sirrahul Azeez by disguising in the form of a bright light and telling him that Allah Subhaanahu wa Ta'ala has made everything halal for him. On hearing this, Sayyidinah Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilaani Qaddas Allahu Sirrahul Azeez referred to the Shariat and replied that Allah Subhaanahu Wa Ta'ala will never declare halaal what He has already declared haram. After getting such a slap with a catching point of Shariah, the accursed took his original form and tried to further lure Sayyidinah Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilaani Qaddas Allahu Sirrahul Azeez but all was vain as each time he was wisely slapped with a catching point.
As soon as one notices traits and behaviours which are not in conformity with Shariah, one must take his distance because if one will go in the line of thinking may be it's a test or whatsoever, then one may not notice when and how he has fallen in the trap. Apart from Prophets (Alayhimus Salaam), no one is free from the nafs till it is mastered and if the apparent Peer is young, clean shaven and on top of this he gives free way to neglecting Shariah, then one must not be illusioned by the apparent Peer or his blood lineage and follow him blindly.
Even the son of Hazrat Nuh Alyhis Salaam was on disobedience.
Surah Hud 11, Verse 42: And the same carries them amid waves like mountains; and Nooh called out to his son whereas he was standing apart, "O my son! Embark along with us *, and do not be with the disbelievers." (* As a Muslim.)
Surah Hud 11, Verse 43: He said, "I shall take the refuge of a mountain - it will save me from the water"; said Nooh, "Today there is none who can rescue from the punishment of Allah, except upon whom He has mercy"; and the wave came in between them, so he remained amongst the drowning.
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Post by Saracen on Oct 8, 2009 16:06:25 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu Beautifully said Brother Saalik, i couldnt of put it any better  May Allah (azza wa jall) reward you immensly for bringing this important issue to light. May Allah (azza wa jall) protect us all from these friends of Shaytaan, Ameen. |
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Post by bintyhawa on Oct 8, 2009 18:53:18 GMT
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Post by Saracen on Oct 8, 2009 19:09:23 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Dear sister these fake peers are money making scam artists, probably the majority of peers are fake, Allah (azza wa jall) knows best.
My brother is law went to see a peer in Pakistan. My brother in law was amazed at this man and fell in love with him as we do our Murshids (may Allah (azza wa jall) preserve them). He was so in trust of what his peer said that when he came back he was doing lottery and stuff. So when i found out i i let him know that this is haraam, even though he didnt gamble before meeting this fake, but was told its okay to do so. The fake peer also told him to bring to England and send him money. He was so in trust of the fake that he forgot the sharia.
There is many cases of things like this happening. May Allah (azza wa jall) protect us from these enemies of Islam, Ameen.
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Post by Shiraz Ashrafi on Dec 9, 2009 18:08:59 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Excellent thread, we must be on the look out and expose fake peers.
Ones who flash money are always shady aswell and someone who boasts to be sayad and actually are not!
May we be saved from such fake peers.
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Post by verdad on Dec 14, 2009 20:35:22 GMT
ASSALAM O ALAIKUM
I WANT TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION AS MY ONE OF BROTHER HAS ASKED BEFORE
Do you believe there is anything wrong with taking oath on phone from a shaykh from diffrent country???
PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUETION
this thread is really meritorious and help alot to select the right path by judging the murshid through these signs
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Dec 14, 2009 21:27:25 GMT
ASSALAM O ALAIKUM I WANT TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION AS MY ONE OF BROTHER HAS ASKED BEFORE Do you believe there is anything wrong with taking oath on phone from a shaykh from diffrent country??? PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUETION this thread is really meritorious and help alot to select the right path by judging the murshid through these signs No brother I think its valid. Shezada E Gaus E Azam Hazrat Ash Shah Syed Muhmmed Abdul Rauf Qadri Baghdadi Jilani Sahib Qibla allows takes people as his mureeds over the phone. Inshallah brother saalik will clear up this for you. PS-Best way is through hand |
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Post by Saalik on Dec 14, 2009 21:27:43 GMT
ASSALAM O ALAIKUM I WANT TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION AS MY ONE OF BROTHER HAS ASKED BEFORE Do you believe there is anything wrong with taking oath on phone from a shaykh from diffrent country??? PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUETION this thread is really meritorious and help alot to select the right path by judging the murshid through these signs First of all welcome to the forum. It's  that I missed Brother O4husi's post earlier concerning oath of allegiance via phone. There's nothing wrong as long as the Shaykh can take the responsibility. P.S. Can you please, as per the forum rules, mention your location and gender in your profile. Thanks for your co-operation  |
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Dec 25, 2009 8:59:16 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhui think the main fact you can tell a fake pier is when they ask for money? ???That's it the game's gone if you ask me. ;D Hmmm not all the times dear brother. Some Peer and Faqeer have to ask for money as certain wazaif and amal before performing, some sadqa needs to be given for it. So the Peer will have to give sadqa. I got it cleared from brother saalik. For some other amal you have to even give zakat. (Its diffirent type pf zakat to normal one which is a pillar of islam). Through a certain calculation they calculate the dosh and then give it too the poor. |
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and later find themselves in difficulty to get out after being brainwashed with distorted Islamic theories.
Ki Nighabani Mein!
), very manipulative and easily brainwash, and most of all not very punctual with their namaaz or followers of Sunnah 
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:oim actually shocked i never knew that people will pretend to be fake peers... 
that I missed Brother O4husi's post earlier concerning oath of allegiance via phone. There's nothing wrong as long as the Shaykh can take the responsibility. 