Bint e Attar
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Post by Bint e Attar on Dec 25, 2009 14:47:48 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhui think the main fact you can tell a fake pier is when they ask for money? ???That's it the game's gone if you ask me. ;D Hmmm not all the times dear brother. Some Peer and Faqeer have to ask for money as certain wazaif and amal before performing, some sadqa needs to be given for it. So the Peer will have to give sadqa. I got it cleared from brother saalik. For some other amal you have to even give zakat. (Its diffirent type pf zakat to normal one which is a pillar of islam). Through a certain calculation they calculate the dosh and then give it too the poor. Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuAnd many fake peer use this method.. Why cant that person give sadaqa.. why does the pir has to do it.. pir could guide him on how to this & that etc.. instead of taking the money.. right
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Dec 25, 2009 16:25:36 GMT
Hmmm not all the times dear brother. Some Peer and Faqeer have to ask for money as certain wazaif and amal before performing, some sadqa needs to be given for it. So the Peer will have to give sadqa. I got it cleared from brother saalik. For some other amal you have to even give zakat. (Its diffirent type pf zakat to normal one which is a pillar of islam). Through a certain calculation they calculate the dosh and then give it too the poor. Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuAnd many fake peer use this method.. Why cant that person give sadaqa.. why does the pir has to do it.. pir could guide him on how to this & that etc.. instead of taking the money.. right The calculation equations is a secret knowledge. Not many people know about it. The calculations are quite difficult to work out for each word or haroof.
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Post by hgalamali on Jan 4, 2010 10:02:51 GMT
agreed with the above.
i may add that they ask money from people who are in difficulties and who come to them for help.
whenever you see them they always ay thet you have a very serious problem and you must give such and such amount of money.
huzoor kwajah garib nawaz never asked people money although 9 million became muslims on his hand.
fake peers are very dangerous for our imaan.
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Post by mashrafi on Jan 5, 2010 15:08:45 GMT
excellent thread
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Post by kukhan on Jan 19, 2010 6:06:00 GMT
Dear brother & sister,
It's okay ignore my facts I myself unable to tell.
thanks
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Post by Sultani Sister on Mar 16, 2010 16:53:30 GMT
ASSALAMU 'ALYKUM WA REHMATULLAHI WA BARAKATUHU
ASSALATO WASALAM ALYKA YA RASOOL ALLAH (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam)
HAQ BAHU SACH BAHU
Rumi on Fake Sufis(peer) Jalal ud din Rumi (Rehmatullah alayhi) on Fake Sufis:
Since he has no light, how can others receive light through associating with him?
Like a blind man who cures eyes: With what will he anoint your eyes other than wool?
He has no scent or trace of God, but his claims are greater than those of Seth or Adam.
The devil himself is embarrassed to appear before him; he keeps on saying, "We are of the saints and even greater."
He steals many of the words of the dervishes, so that people may think he really is someone.
In his talks he even cavils at Bayazid; Yazid himself is ashamed of him. (*) (Bayazzid a righteous person however Yazid here is referred as a tyrant and wrong ruler)
He is destitute of the bread and provisions of heaven: God has not thrown him a single bone.
[From the Mathnawi of Jalaluddin Rumi, Book I, vv. 2265-68, 72-76, translated by W. C. Chittick in "The Sufi Path of Love: the Spiritual Teachings of Jalaluddin Rumi," p. 145-6.]
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Post by nisarsof on May 13, 2010 15:45:48 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
I am from kashmir, here the example of fake peers is they tell their mureed soem herb is required for your work and the peer writes the name of herb on paper and tell the mureed to buy from market. The name of herb written by peer is also fake, when teh murreds come back to peer with clean hands the peer said give me money (Rs 5000/= i will arrange for you. that way the fake peers grap money of poor and needy people.
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Post by Saalik on May 13, 2010 19:35:06 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu I am from kashmir, here the example of fake peers is they tell their mureed soem herb is required for your work and the peer writes the name of herb on paper and tell the mureed to buy from market. The name of herb written by peer is also fake, when teh murreds come back to peer with clean hands the peer said give me money (Rs 5000/= i will arrange for you. that way the fake peers grap money of poor and needy people. Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuJazaak Allah Khayran for sharing this Dear Brother, may Allah Subhaanahu Wa Ta'ala protects innocent people from the fake peers who are just a shame for the community.
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Post by Saalik on May 13, 2010 19:41:13 GMT
ASSALAMU 'ALYKUM WA REHMATULLAHI WA BARAKATUHU ASSALATO WASALAM ALYKA YA RASOOL ALLAH (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam)HAQ BAHU SACH BAHURumi on Fake Sufis(peer)Jalal ud din Rumi (Rehmatullah alayhi) on Fake Sufis: Since he has no light, how can others receive light through associating with him? Like a blind man who cures eyes: With what will he anoint your eyes other than wool? He has no scent or trace of God, but his claims are greater than those of Seth or Adam. The devil himself is embarrassed to appear before him; he keeps on saying, "We are of the saints and even greater." He steals many of the words of the dervishes, so that people may think he really is someone. In his talks he even cavils at Bayazid; Yazid himself is ashamed of him. (*) (Bayazzid a righteous person however Yazid here is referred as a tyrant and wrong ruler) He is destitute of the bread and provisions of heaven: God has not thrown him a single bone. [From the Mathnawi of Jalaluddin Rumi, Book I, vv. 2265-68, 72-76, translated by W. C. Chittick in "The Sufi Path of Love: the Spiritual Teachings of Jalaluddin Rumi," p. 145-6.] Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuJazaak Allah Khayran Sister Sultani for adding the true words of Maulana Jalaluddin Rumi Rahmatullahi Alayh on fake sufis.
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Post by szahidhsb on May 14, 2010 10:04:07 GMT
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Post by szahidhsb on May 14, 2010 10:14:50 GMT
Asalamu Alikum, Jo peer bhi jis ka taluq wahabi, deobandi firqa sey hay wo jali peer hi hoga......
Jo mery aaqa ka naheen wo kisi ka naheen..... Deobandi mazhab key banion per kuffer ka fatwa hey aur jo is mazhab sey taluq rakhe ya is ko sahi samjhey wo bhi un hi ki terhan hoga..........
Peer key liya zaroori hey key wo sahi sunni aqeeday per ho.
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Post by Sister Nomee on May 14, 2010 14:12:44 GMT
Asalamu Alikum, Jo peer bhi jis ka taluq wahabi, deobandi firqa sey hay wo jali peer hi hoga...... Jo mery aaqa ka naheen wo kisi ka naheen..... Deobandi mazhab key banion per kuffer ka fatwa hey aur jo is mazhab sey taluq rakhe ya is ko sahi samjhey wo bhi un hi ki terhan hoga.......... Peer key liya zaroori hey key wo sahi sunni aqeeday per ho. Please re type your message in English (Pro baord rules) all posts must be made in English or supported with translation. Can you also click on ashraf786.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=szahidhsb and disclose your location as per forum rules. JazakAllah Khayran. Wasalaam
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Post by sirajudeen on Jun 24, 2010 13:36:44 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu, all the praises to be almighty allah swt, and his peace and blessing to be our beloved Noble Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam), o.k its, nice article, if we find anyone have this qualities he is fake peer, No1,if anyone does not accept gowdul ahlam mehboob subahani as master of masters of all time, then he his really fake, and if anyone does not mention his blessed name and continuously avoiding in all his sermon and speeches,and writings he is also fake, these qualities surely perfectly matching for deobandis, and thableeq jamaths, these shaitans calling themselves as kutub, awliya and so and continuously avoiding our pious master gowdul ahlam's name if anyone get baiath from lineage of deobandis, thableeq jamathis ,they are lost their iman, please look the topic of this forum ,our grand great shaik hassan hassain vali, encounter with thableeq jamath, then you will know the rest,
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Post by dilsha on Aug 16, 2010 14:57:15 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu I would like to add on one more point..i.e the fake peers reveal the name of the culprit ( eg .. if sumone is a victim of black magic ..the fake peers will reveal the name of the culprit) while the real ones wont ..as they do not want any kind of fight or misunderstanding to take place. the fake peers present things in a way like...you are undeR black magic so u are not getting etc etc in your life. The real ones would refrain from saying all this ..n will always inculcate in their murids that faith is enough to get everything in life..
MAY ALLAH ALWAYS KEEP US UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF RIGHT PEOPLE ...AMEEN
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Post by tas on Nov 12, 2010 17:31:00 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
I agree too . I had contact with someone only by phone few months ago who by word of mouth suppose to have had shifa in his hand . i contacted him mainly because of my own health condition . he told me that someone has done jadoo on me and that if i dont act now i will die of cancer. he was asking for $5000.00 as its a very hard case. i wanted to get better but my mind did not agree to pay someone $5000.00 . i believe in rohani cure but i also believe life and death is in the hand of allah subhanahu wa taala and only he knows how long someone is suppose to live.
Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Nov 12, 2010 19:15:19 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu I agree too . I had contact with someone only by phone few months ago who by word of mouth suppose to have had shifa in his hand . i contacted him mainly because of my own health condition . he told me that someone has done jadoo on me and that if i dont act now i will die of cancer. he was asking for $5000.00 as its a very hard case. i wanted to get better but my mind did not agree to pay someone $5000.00 . i believe in rohani cure but i also believe life and death is in the hand of allah subhanahu wa taala and only he knows how long someone is suppose to live. Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu Brother, did you find him over the internet? If so please show the link where.
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Post by tas on Nov 12, 2010 19:54:28 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu brother, I did not find him on the internet . I actually got his reference from a friend of mine that he knows some one who knows a peer and was told he has shifa in hand as people all over world come and see him. I was desperate because of my health so i contacted him. All he did was ask my date of birth, about my family and about my health problem and then told me i can call back in 30 min. When i called back i never even got to talk to him directly when i called back i was told that someone has done jadoo on me and my life is in danger and i will everntuallydie of cancer but to get me well i will have to pay $5000.00 as its a very complicated ritual to cure me and he would also tell me who has done it Its not that i would not have paid but $100 to $200 may be for good will but $5000.00 my mind did not agree that this person is legitamate. Plus any real peer who has shifa in his hand then i do not think he take money for it
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Nov 13, 2010 10:25:06 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu brother, I did not find him on the internet . I actually got his reference from a friend of mine that he knows some one who knows a peer and was told he has shifa in hand as people all over world come and see him. I was desperate because of my health so i contacted him. All he did was ask my date of birth, about my family and about my health problem and then told me i can call back in 30 min. When i called back i never even got to talk to him directly when i called back i was told that someone has done jadoo on me and my life is in danger and i will everntuallydie of cancer but to get me well i will have to pay $5000.00 as its a very complicated ritual to cure me and he would also tell me who has done it Its not that i would not have paid but $100 to $200 may be for good will but $5000.00 my mind did not agree that this person is legitamate. Plus any real peer who has shifa in his hand then i do not think he take money for it The mere fact that he said he will tell you, who did the supposed jadoo was him giving himself away that he is a fake. Real people never reveal who the baddie is. They keep secret. Brother never trust these people, if you find good amil then take his help but not the fraud these days. Even they are all over internet. Recite Nadi Ali and do dua to Allah Azwajul and ask Maula Ali for help.
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Sayyedah 777
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Post by Sayyedah 777 on Nov 13, 2010 11:31:38 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu brother, I did not find him on the internet . I actually got his reference from a friend of mine that he knows some one who knows a peer and was told he has shifa in hand as people all over world come and see him. I was desperate because of my health so i contacted him. All he did was ask my date of birth, about my family and about my health problem and then told me i can call back in 30 min. When i called back i never even got to talk to him directly when i called back i was told that someone has done jadoo on me and my life is in danger and i will everntuallydie of cancer but to get me well i will have to pay $5000.00 as its a very complicated ritual to cure me and he would also tell me who has done it Its not that i would not have paid but $100 to $200 may be for good will but $5000.00 my mind did not agree that this person is legitamate. Plus any real peer who has shifa in his hand then i do not think he take money for it The mere fact that he said he will tell you, who did the supposed jadoo was him giving himself away that he is a fake. Real people never reveal who the baddie is. They keep secret. Brother never trust these people, if you find good amil then take his help but not the fraud these days. Even they are all over internet. Recite Nadi Ali and do dua to Allah Azwajul and ask Maula Ali for help. Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuI am agreed 100 % with brother Haafiz Saahib on this point of view
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2011 10:05:26 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu Even the son of Hazrat Nuh Alyhis Salaam was on disobedience. Surah Hud 11, Verse 42: And the same carries them amid waves like mountains; and Nooh called out to his son whereas he was standing apart, "O my son! Embark along with us *, and do not be with the disbelievers." (* As a Muslim.) Surah Hud 11, Verse 43: He said, "I shall take the refuge of a mountain - it will save me from the water"; said Nooh, "Today there is none who can rescue from the punishment of Allah, except upon whom He has mercy"; and the wave came in between them, so he remained amongst the drowning. Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuExcellent thread! AlhamdulillahBut also take note that in this verse "son" doesn't have to refer to a real son of Sayyidina Nuh 'alayhi salaam, that is his own biological son. I heard from a 'Aalim that this "son" can also be his "stepson", in Arabic there is no distinction between the two. So his stepson could be from a previous marriage of his wife. Blessed and protected are the families of the Noble Prophets alayhimus 'salam! Fi Amanillah
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