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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2011 10:06:09 GMT
Allahu Akbar
Reason for Editing: Accidentally double posted...
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Post by Saalik on Apr 11, 2011 8:08:28 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuExcellent thread! AlhamdulillahBut also take note that in this verse "son" doesn't have to refer to a real son of Sayyidina Nuh 'alayhi salaam, that is his own biological son. I heard from a 'Aalim that this "son" can also be his "stepson", in Arabic there is no distinction between the two. So his stepson could be from a previous marriage of his wife. Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuWe can't be sure unless in presence of text proving that he was not his biological son. So far in Qur'an Shareef and Qur'an Tafsir there's no clear indication that he could have been a stepson from a previous marriage but this does also not imply that it couldn't have been so. From the explanation in Tafsir Ibn Kathir it seems that it was on account of his disbelief that the son of Hazrat Nuh Alayhis Salaam was not considered as (his son) part of his family by Allah Azzawajal: Tafsir Ibn kathirThis was the fourth son of Nuh (Alayhis Salaam). His name was Yam and he was a disbeliever. His father, Nuh (Alayhis Salaam), called him at the time of boarding the ship, that he might believe and embark with them. If he did so, he would be saved from drowning like the other disbelievers. 45. And Nuh called upon his Lord and said, "O my Lord! Verily, my son is of my family! And certainly, Your promise is true, and You are the Most Just of the judges.'') (46. He said: "O Nuh! Surely, he is not of your family; verily, his work is unrighteous, so ask not of Me that of which you have no knowledge! I admonish you, lest you should be one of the ignorant.'') (47. Nuh said: "O my Lord! I seek refuge with You from asking You that of which I have no knowledge. And unless You forgive me and have mercy on me, I would indeed be one of the losers.'') This was a request for information and an inquiry from Nuh (Alayhis Salaam) concerning the cirumstances of his son's drowning. (and said, "O my Lord! Verily, my son is of my family!'') This means, "Verily, You promised to save my family and Your promise is the truth that does not fail. Therefore, how can he (my son) be drowned and You are the Most Just of the judges'' (He (Allah) said: "O Nuh! Surely, he is not of your family...'') This means, "He (your son) is not of those whom I promised to save. I only promised you that I would save those of your family who believe.'' For this reason Allah (Alayhis Salaam) said, (and your family except him against whom the Word has already gone forth.) ﴿11:40﴾ Thus, for his son, it had already been decreed that he would be drowned due to his disbelief and his opposition to his father, the Prophet of Allah, Nuh (Alayhis Salaam). Concerning Allah's statement, (Surely, he is not of your family;) meaning that he (Nuh's son) was not among those whom Allah (Azzawajal) promised to save. `Abdur-Razzaq (Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhu)recorded that Ibn `Abbas (Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhu) said, "He was the son of Nuh (Alayhis Salaam), but he opposed him in deeds and intention.'' `Ikrimah said in some of the modes of recitation it said here, ("Verily, he (Nuh's son) worked deeds that were not righteous.'' What about Qabil (the biological son of Hazrat Adam Alayhis Salaam) who killed his very own brother because of jealousy. In this context we can refer to a Sahih Bukhari Hadith (Volume 001, Book 008, Hadith Number 345) in which it is written that on the right and left of Hazrat Adam Alayhis Salaam are the souls of his offspring. Those on his right are the people of Paradise and those on his left are the people of Hell and when he looks towards his right he laughs and when he looks towards his left he weeps. We are all the offspring of Hazrat Adam Alayhis Salaam but still .....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 13:52:52 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu Yes you are right. I only gave a (good) alternative meaning to the word "son" in those verses.
And when the Ark of Nuh alayhis 'salam settled down, everyone except Nuh alayhis 'salam and his sons (and their families) got struck by an epidemic and they all died. So only Nuh alayhis 'salam, his sons and their families remained. This means that not only we are the children of Adam alayhis 'salam and Hawa Rahmatullahi 'alayha, but also the children of Nuh alayhis 'salam!
From those verses is also clear that it's not the family related by blood that matters, but the "family" related by "Laa ilaaha illAllaahu Muhammadu rasulullaah" Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam, our spiritual family.
We are all the offspring of Sayyidina Adam Alayhis Salaam and Sayyidina Nuh 'alaihi salaam: we are all blessed with the gift of life, and in every second of it Allaah Azzawajal provides us with infinite Rahma, also to the unbelievers! Fi Amanillah
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Post by S.786.Z on Apr 13, 2011 16:04:34 GMT
Asslam o Alaikum, wow i'm shocked that some people would do this. alhamdulillah my peer is Syed Pir Kabir Ali Shah chura sharif in lahore. jazakhallah
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on Apr 16, 2011 13:47:27 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
For this thread I think its important someone outlines the diffrences between a Peer and an Amil.
Jazakallah Khayran
Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by Saalik on Apr 17, 2011 11:18:51 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuFor this thread I think its important someone outlines the diffrences between a Peer and an Amil. Jazakallah Khayran Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuYes you are right Haafiz Saahib . I'll just do it in simple terms. A Pir is a Spiritual Guide also called as Murshid, Pir o Murshid, Shaykh and Raahebar. He is authorized by his Murshid to take the pledge of allegiance (bai'at) from aspiring disciples and guide them on the spiritual path, he also conducts Zikr and some other Ibaadah as per the method of the Silsilah he belongs to and all that his Murshid has authorized him to do in the spiritual field. Depending on the permission given to him and his spiritual status he also prescribes wazaif, writes taaweez, does ruqya to give relief and cure others from not only spiritual but also other types of afflictions by appropriate methods and formulas prepared from Qura'nic verses and also from what is taught in Hadith Shareef and by the Pious. An Aamil is an authorized person by another Aamil or kaamil Pir to prescribe wazaif, writes taaweez, does ruqya to give relief and cure others from not only spiritual but also other types of afflictions by formulas prepared from Qura'nic verses and also from what is taught in Hadith Shareef and by the Pious. In both cases we have fake pirs and aamils who mock the shariah for their personal benefits and satisfaction. Due to their wrong path and misguidance, people who have no knowledge about what Pir, Sufism, Tariqa etc think the same of the real ones.
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Post by Bint e Attar on May 24, 2011 11:13:24 GMT
Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuhu
Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Ya Rasoolallah Sallal Laahu Ta'ala Alayhi Wa Sallam
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Post by Sag E Dargah E Jilani on May 26, 2011 5:33:28 GMT
I dont see what the promblem is for an amil asks for money? After all he is putting his time and effort (writing naqsh/tawiz, giving out wazaifs, and then doing amals on his behalf) so why he cant charge?
We pay doc's large amount of money so I dont see promblem with paying amils.
Haan!!!! The amount should be not that much like I have heard some amils charge £1,000 for one naqsh which is just crazy.
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Post by ottoman on Jun 29, 2011 15:34:09 GMT
if someone thinks himself Mahdi he is fake peer.
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Post by ottoman on Jun 29, 2011 15:34:42 GMT
if someone thinks himself Mahdi he is fake peer.
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Post by sisterb on Dec 12, 2013 5:42:42 GMT
Yes please be aware my brothers and sisters! If any one of you watch pakistani dish tv channels that air abroad ARY- theres an ad for a peer who calls himself BABA, he is a fake. He can diagnose the problem but asks high amounts of money every day and doesn't do anything only trick you in thinking he is a businessman- he has sold his soul to the devil. Please don't fall for his tricks. Wasalam, Sister B
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