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Post by haidartanvir on Jan 18, 2011 17:49:48 GMT
ascalamualikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu
my dear brothers and sister i am from Bangladesh .there are many peer and majar in Bangladesh from my child hood i have a respectful looks on this Sufism. but now i really need a clear think on sifism so i can take bayaat after having the clear believe on this issue.
can you please give me some links or books (download links),hadith about taking bayat and obey peer. please please please give me some good thing so i can fulfill my research .
and my second question is i always went to majar and i also try to take part of calling people at the way of Allah.i dont went any specific majar i like to went all of majars .but mostly tareqawea khaja attached me and thats why i mostly went those majar .
am i doing any goonah to went all of the majar? some ones told me i cant go all people majar. and i should go to one majar only . actually i am on the serach of the truth of life.(but chistia tareqa always take my attention of believe) so brother and sister i think you people can understand my thristy and you can show me the right way of Allah sub hana tawala and his messenger(sallallahu alaewa sallam)
i am so sorry for my bad english ..
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Post by haidartanvir on Jan 20, 2011 6:34:48 GMT
so no brother and sister is goona help me ?
wowwwwwwwww im so sad about this i think i dont ask anything that is forbidden at Islam. so u don't want any one get good and right path of islam so sad man.
i wanted this answer cz i wanted to tell something to my wabhi cousin.
But wabhi helps wabhi but u people dont help.
allah helps you all brothers and sister and allah gives you the mind to gove good advise to all.
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Post by Husain on Jan 20, 2011 6:39:49 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH
Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
Brother... put full faith ... don not doubt your faith... as you know there are so many awalia- allah Rahmatullahi 'alayh around us to help us towards the right path.
We acquire virtue in the company of a virtuous person and we attract evil in the company of an evil person. Why is it so? It is because the beliefs, convictions and thoughts of a person spread around him like a magnetic force which impacts his companions, friends and members of his family.
Therefore, when a person sits in the company of a venerable Shaikh/ Wali Allah, his ordinary thoughts, evil considerations and materialistic notions weaken and gradually get extinct and his wisdom in understanding Islamic issues increases manifold. Quran commands us to be in the company of virtuous people.
It is in Quran - " O' You, who have Iman, fear Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) and be with the truthful ones (At-Tawba - 9) .
It is in Quran - مَن يَهْدِ اللَّهُ فَهُوَ الْمُهْتَدِ وَمَن يُضْلِلْ فَلَن تَجِدَ لَهُ وَلِيًّا مُّرْشِدًا (Meaning - Whoever Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) guides, is the truly guided one, and whoever He sends astray, you will not find for him a Guiding Teacher (Waliyyan Murshida). (Al-Kahaf - 17). The word 'Murshid' has come from this verse.
It is in Quran - " Obey Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی), obey Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) and obey those who are in authority. (An-Nisa - 59).
Who are the people in real authority? They are Awliya Allah and Sufi Shaikhs of Ihsan.
Is it necessary that every person has to become a religious student (Mureed)?
All of us would like to fulfill religious imperatives (Fara'ez) and be away from the prohibited things (Haraam) and would like to be steadfast in them at a very high standard. Therefore we require a Murshid (religious teacher) who cautions us on our day to day mistakes and purifies us from worldly attractions. It is important for everyone of us to take bay'a in our early youth when we are intelligent enough to distinguish between good and bad. There is an Arabic saying “Manla Shaikha Lahu, Shaikhu ash- Shaitan”. (Meaning - The one who does not have a Shaikh, his Shaikh is Satan).
And you can go to mazaar of awalia- allah Rahmatullahi 'alayh for dua and barkat... but remember that there is some standards defined by ALa-HazratRadi Allahu anhu that you should stand on at the distance of 4 arms (1or 2 meters away) and show respect and adab and do salaam and asked wali to do dua for you.... you can search regarding this on raza.co.za..
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by Husain on Jan 20, 2011 6:49:41 GMT
The holy Quran, the books of Ahadith and the books of Islamic jurisprudence are all available to us, then where is the necessity to do Baya' (promise of allegiance or initiation ) on the hand of Shaikh ?
Let us understand this issue from an example. Two plus two, make four and if we divide 2 from 4, only 2 will remain. Mathematics is such a certain subject that any other subject could hardly come close to it. But from 1st standard till 10th class, we learn mathematics from teachers, only then a student gets proficient in basic / elementary mathematics.
When such a self evident subject like Mathematics requires a teacher, then how come the study about Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) his attributes and His signs in the cosmos (known and Ilme-e-Tawheed) be studied without the help of a Murshid (religious teacher)?
The fact is that, a person would not be able to know his mistake until somebody draws his attention towards it. Teacher points out the mistake of the pupil. The teacher always oversees the mistakes of the pupils and cautions them. This was the reason, those who tried to understand Quran and Ahadith by self study made blunders in their lives. This is what has happened with Ibn Taymiyyah, the founder of Salafism.
Famous Shaikh Subki said - "He (Ibn Taymiyyah) memorized a lot (from books) but did not discipline himself with a (Sufi) Shaikh’".
Bay'a is a promise for adhering to the laws of Shariah (A'maal-e Zaahiri) and Tareeqah (A'maal-e Baatini).
It is in Hadith - Narated Auf Ibn Malik Ashja'ee (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ): 'We were with Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) seven, eight or nine (of us), when he said: Will you not make bay'a (pledge) to the Apostle of Allah (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم)?' We stretched our hands and inquired: On what shall we make bay'a to you, O'Rasulullah (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم)? He said 'That you make Ibadah of Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی),- that you associate nothing with Him,- that you perform the five (time) Salah; that you hear and obey." (Muslim, Abu Dawud and Nasai).
The above bay'a which Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) took from the Sahabah (رضئ اللھ تعالی عنہم اجمعین ) was neither Bay'at-e-Imani (Pledge of Iman) nor Bay'at-e-Jihadi (Pledge to wage Jihad). This was the baya' for adhering to the laws of Islam.
The above Hadith is categorical proof for the validity of bay'a on the hands of a Shaikh-e-Kamil in Islam from the time of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم).
Q - What are the requirements of a Shaikh?
The Shaikh should be capable of fulfilling the objective and purpose of the Baya'. He should be aware of Quranic imperatives and Prophet’s (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) traditions and necessary Islamic Jurisprudence (rules) and most importantly should have been blessed with the companionship of an experienced Shaikh. The distinction of a good Shaikh is that when you think about him or look at his picture or see him personally, your evil considerations (wasaawis) and useless thoughts stop and you are reminded of Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) and Prophet Mohammad(صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم).
The difference between Sufi Shaikhs and Islamic Scholars
A Sufi Shaikh-e-Kamil is the clean heart and spiritually illuminated person who, in theory and practice, is distinct in Prophet's (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) subordination and enthroned with the legacy of unveiling (kashf - spiritual vision) and immanence ( meaning Allah's - سبحانہ و تعا لی signs are clearly visible to him in the Cosmos).
The Islamic Scholar is the person who impedes the assaults of the enemies of Islam with the shield of reasoning. He exposes the wrong beliefs of people with logical explanations and conclusive evidence from Quranic verses, Ahadith and Ijma rulings. Islamic Scholars are prolific speakers and are very popular among masses. They enjoy large followings because of their religious rhetoric and media coverage.
All Sufi Shaikhs are essentially the scholars of Islam, though they may not be knowing a few terms or not as popular as Islamic scholars because most of them keep themselves away from public glare. Whereas most of the Islamic Scholars are not Sufi Shaikhs, though they prefer to be called " Shaikh or Shaikh-ul-Islam".
Sufi Shaikhs practically traverse spiritual stages ( Sharia - Tareeqah- Ma'arefa - Haqeeqah) which cannot be visualized by Islamic Scholars.
Islamic scholars teach Islamic theory, whereas Sufi Shaikhs cleanse people's hearts with which their understanding capacity and wisdom in knowing Islam increase manifold.
How did distinctive practices (tareeqah), Qadri, Chishti, Naqshbandi, etc., come into being?
There are different schools of thought and different Imams of Islamic jurisprudence, who interpret from Quran and Prophet’s (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) Sunnah; like Hanafi, Shafi-i, Maaliki, Hambali. Similarly, there are different practices (tareeqah) of Sulook (tazkia Nafs) and different Imams / Sufi Shaikhs like Qadri, Chisti, Naqshbandi, etc., are associated with these practices.
Peoples’ individual characteristics are different, their natures are different. Some like humor, some are affectionate and some are serious minded and very strict. Everyone searches for a Tareeqah and Shaikh whose nature is of his liking.
Repentance should be done by every Muslim. Then where is the need for a Shaikh on whose hand you need to repent?
It is in Quran - “ وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ إِذ ظَّلَمُوا أَنفُسَهُمْ جَاءُوكَ فَاسْتَغْفَرُوا اللَّهَ وَاسْتَغْفَرَ لَهُمُ الرَّسُولُ لَوَجَدُوا اللَّهَ تَوَّابًا رَّحِيمًا [Meaning - Those who have committed oppression on themselves (by committing sins), if they had come to you (O'Prophet - صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) and pray for Allah’s- (سبحانہ و تعا لی) pardon and the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) also prays for their forgiveness from Allah- (سبحانہ و تعا لی), then they would have found Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) to be Merciful and most willing to accept their repentance]. (An-Nisa - 64).
It is evident from the above Quranic verse that, if you want to make sure that Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) has forgiven you for your past deeds, self repentance alone may not be sufficient. It is advisable to take benediction from a person of illuminated heart (meaning your Shaikh). As long as the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) was alive, he himself used to pray for individuals’ forgiveness from Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی). And now, when he is hidden from the eyes of general people, then his appointed Awliya Allah / Sufi Shaikhs will pray for the forgiveness which is expected to be granted by Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی).
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Post by Saalik on Jan 20, 2011 6:57:16 GMT
so no brother and sister is goona help me ? wowwwwwwwww im so sad about this i think i dont ask anything that is forbidden at Islam. so u don't want any one get good and right path of islam so sad man. i wanted this answer cz i wanted to tell something to my wabhi cousin. But wabhi helps wabhi but u people dont help. allah helps you all brothers and sister and allah gives you the mind to gove good advise to all. Brother your frustration is understandable even though your over reaction is  Before trying to tell or discuss anything with the wahabi, first learn the topic well otherwise you are at risk to make a ridicule of yourself when you will be unable to answer questions set by the wahabis. It's more profitable that you learn for your own good than trying to learn to discuss with others when you are not ready for such thing. You can learn what you want about Sufism here: www.spiritualfoundation.net/whatistasawwuf.htmConcerning visiting all Mazaars that you like there's no sin in it similar as there's no sin in doing ziyarat e qaboor in different qabrastaan. There's no restriction in the number of Mazaar to visit. Read about Sufism then we can talk about the different Silsilah.......Chistiya, Naqshbandiya etc.... Have a look at this thread too: ashraf786.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=25352&page=1 |
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Post by haidartanvir on Jan 21, 2011 1:14:21 GMT
thank u all of them . i really pray for you people.and i am so sorry for my second post of this thread actually i was waiting for answer so much but was not getting any response from any body  But now i got the ideas and answer with your opinion  |
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