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Post by king786 on Dec 6, 2007 22:50:42 GMT
Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu MashAllah well said brother Fana fi Shaykh.
Who can dare qustion the intention of Allah exept an Kuffar or an Hypocrite ?
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Post by abdooljabbar on Dec 6, 2007 22:55:00 GMT
yes i agree with you...but who are the real saadat and the fake ones??? well my shaykh is a razvi,but i do not follow razvi silsila but rifai and shadhili salasil as my shaykh recdeived khilafat from these turuq also.
as such im not that aware of maslak e ala hazrat.
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Dec 7, 2007 9:18:05 GMT
yes i agree with you...but who are the real saadat and the fake ones??? The real saadat are the direct descendant of Sarwar-e-Konain Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam. Yes there are many fake saadat in Indian Subcontinent , just by writing sayyed one doesnt become Saadat. The special nemat of Allah is for Real sayyid's not the fake one. JazakAllahu khayrun Yaa ahle bayt al athar al-madad
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Post by abdooljabbar on Dec 7, 2007 15:25:33 GMT
yes now i agree completely.... still i will just tell u a fact... there were 2 renowned islamic scholars who were sayyed who came to mauritius in ramadan for leading tarawih. so,i observed them.one of them just yawned without his mouth wide opened in a mehfil and didnt even put his hand near his mouth. i dont think a real sayyed would have done it as the real ones live completely according to sunnah and sharia
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Dec 7, 2007 15:55:21 GMT
yes now i agree completely.... still i will just tell u a fact... there were 2 renowned islamic scholars who were sayyed who came to mauritius in ramadan for leading tarawih. so,i observed them.one of them just yawned without his mouth wide opened in a mehfil and didnt even put his hand near his mouth. i dont think a real sayyed would have done it as the real ones live completely according to sunnah and sharia Brother i think you should read all the post of this thread. JazakAllahu khayrun Yaa Ali
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Post by Saalik on Dec 7, 2007 22:02:47 GMT
yes i agree with you...but who are the real saadat and the fake ones??? well my shaykh is a razvi,but i do not follow razvi silsila but rifai and shadhili salasil as my shaykh recdeived khilafat from these turuq also. as such im not that aware of maslak e ala hazrat. Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu Brother I've heard about a practice known as "Goon" (please correct if wrong) in Mauritius. Is there any connection of this practice with the Rifai Silsilah that you follow? Can you please also tell us how it is performed.
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Post by khadimSI on Dec 8, 2007 0:50:43 GMT
Sorry brother Salik for coming in between your question, but
Yes I agree Shah Sahib, all of your post prove beyond doubt that we should not look at a Sayyids external behaviour or 'amal but his/her nisbah with our Prophet upon whom be peace.
Your posts are all very similiar to a speech by Hazrat Shaykh ul Islam on Aya e tathir e Mubarikah.
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Post by Saalik on Dec 8, 2007 14:23:58 GMT
yes now i agree completely.... still i will just tell u a fact... there were 2 renowned islamic scholars who were sayyed who came to mauritius in ramadan for leading tarawih. so,i observed them.one of them just yawned without his mouth wide opened in a mehfil and didnt even put his hand near his mouth. i dont think a real sayyed would have done it as the real ones live completely according to sunnah and sharia The prototyped image that is literally received through books is not the same in reality. Any one lacking proper information and experience on such subject must not give conclusions according to his low level of knowledge. If you are lucky enough to get the opportunity to spend a part of your life with a kaamil Wali Allah, you will understand what I am saying and what you should not have said according to your own opinion and lack of adequate knowledge on the subject.
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Post by madnibrother786 on Dec 8, 2007 15:43:03 GMT
kuj sunnat dikhanay mai hoti hai, aur kuj sunnat chopanay mai. ;D
That is a saying that i got from Huzoor Ghazi-e-millat damat barakatohum aaliyah, may allah give them a loong life, ameen.
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Post by Hafeez on Dec 8, 2007 16:27:36 GMT
kuj sunnat dikhanay mai hoti hai, aur kuj sunnat chopanay mai. ;D SubhanAllah a wonderfull quote br Nasser
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Post by abdooljabbar on Dec 9, 2007 7:01:10 GMT
yes thats why i maintain that all sayids are jannati....since childhood i have been in the sohbat of kamil awliya.
concerning tariqa rifai and goon also called tazia there is a difference.goon is a mixture of rifai sunni and shia.
well the basic principle is the same,that is the litanies recited during the zikr,the drums,the piercing and healing,the wazifas etc...but only the way and the niyyat is different.goon is like a matam,the niyat is not good while rifai zikr is another thing.
a true saadat must reflect the character of the Noble Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam)(saw).many do not.
i gave one example in my previous post. now i give a second,i know 3 sayeds who are alim alhamdulillah but do not have beard
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Post by abdooljabbar on Dec 9, 2007 7:04:35 GMT
no a wali should be observed both by his internal and external behaviour.even a sayid.
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Post by abdooljabbar on Dec 9, 2007 7:07:46 GMT
sorry i mean thats why i maintain my reserve on the subject.
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Post by Saalik on Dec 9, 2007 10:23:04 GMT
the piercing.......... i gave one example in my previous post. now i give a second,i know 3 sayeds who are alim alhamdulillah but do not have beard Can you please give a little description about how the piercing is carried together with the history of this practice. Do not forget to mention from whom this practice of piercing originates. The two Sayyads you mentioned before, are they of the Ashrafi khaandaans?
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Dec 9, 2007 13:18:34 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
JAZZALLAHU ANNA SAYYEDINA MUHAMMADAN MA HUWA AHLAHU
MANAM SAGHE DARBARE JILANI
Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) intends to keep (rijs) away from you.
Imam Fakhr al-Din al-Razi Radi Allahu anhu has stated that(rijs) means sin explaining as “To remove all sins far from you” [Le yu’zeela ankumuz-zunuuba]. Here again there can be two implications:
1. One may sin but Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) will not allow the sin to remain; and
2. Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) will not allow sins to approach them.
Sins are defined as ‘disobedience to Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He)’ and what if He against whom a sin is committed does not acknowledge the sin. He can forgive whatever and whomsoever He pleases. His reason is that the sinner belongs to the noble ancestry (nasl) of His beloved Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam.
point to ponder upon, as also mentioned by Imam Raz Radi Allahu anhui is that if somebody is kept far from (rijs), by Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He), then is not that person purified?
So what is the meaning of ‘purifying the purified’?
(rijs) means sin. So they have been Divinely purified then what is the implication of:
Keep you purified with a thorough purification
What purification do the pure undergo? Imam Razi Radi Allahu anhu has explained that the impurity may be removed but the place may remain unclean. E.g. someone may urinate on soil and the heat of the sun may remove the urine but the soil cannot be utilized for the ‘ritual cleansing’ with soil called tayammum. The prerequisite is to wash the soil with water. So there are two terms taahir ‘to be purified’ and mut’tahir ‘to be purified and to be able to purify’. So Imam Razi Radi Allahu anhu in his world-renowned commentary of the Glorious Qur’aan called Tafsir-e Kabir (The Great Commentary) has stated something beautiful. All these benefits are due to ancestry (nasab).
Wa yul’bisakum khilaad
That Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) will dress one with the robe of ‘honor’ (izzat) and ‘inexplicable gifts’ (karamat).
So purification from sin and the bestowal of ‘honor’ (izzat) and ‘inexplicable gifts’ (karamat) are all due to ancestry (nasab). People of Noble Pious Ancestry attain this personal (zaati) excellence (fazilat). So as you heard previously that even if a Sayyid becomes ‘guilty of disobedience’ (faasiq) it obligatory (waajib) to respect him. Imam Ahmad Raza Radi Allahu anhu says even if a Sayyid becomes gumrah or ‘loses the right Islamic path’ on condition he does not reach disbelief (kufr) then also it is ‘obligatory to respect him’ (waajibut tazeem). This respect (tazeem) is due to his ‘relationship’ (nisba) with the beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam.
I hope this answer your Question's or query brother abdooljabbar
Yaa Panjtan Paak Al-Madad
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Dec 9, 2007 13:58:13 GMT
a true saadat must reflect the character of the Noble Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam)(saw).many do not. i gave one example in my previous post. now i give a second,i know 3 sayeds who are alim alhamdulillah but do not have beard Good or Bad, Sunnah or No Sunnah.
The Fact that One is a Syed cannot be taken away, and it is a great honour that surpasses all others.
One may criticise and condemn a Syed all they want but they still remain exalted above others.
Worry about yourself rather than the length of beard of others. A Syed may claim to be Jannati by virtue of his lineage. Where is your ticket?
Yaa Ali
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Dec 9, 2007 14:01:39 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
JAZZALLAHU ANNA SAYYEDINA MUHAMMADAN MA HUWA AHLAHU
MANAM SAGHE DARBARE JILANI
When allama Iqbal was asked about not keeping a beard by Mian Sher Sharqpuri Rehmatullahi ’Alaih, he replied that he has heard that Rasoolullah Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam said the sinful ummatis belong to me... hearing this mian sher Sharqpuri Rehmatullahi ’Alaih cried and embraced allama iqbal...
JazakAllahu khayrun
MANAM KHAAKE PAAYE KHWAJA-E-AZAM
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Dec 9, 2007 14:08:16 GMT
yes now i agree completely.... still i will just tell u a fact... there were 2 renowned islamic scholars who were sayyed who came to mauritius in ramadan for leading tarawih. so,i observed them.one of them just yawned without his mouth wide opened in a mehfil and didnt even put his hand near his mouth. i dont think a real sayyed would have done it as the real ones live completely according to sunnah and sharia Sayyid ki izath us kei amaal ki wajesei nahin, us kei khoon ki wajesei hei!
Yaa Ahle Bayt Al Athar
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Post by Faizan on Dec 9, 2007 16:30:44 GMT
Kibla Sayyid Saheb (Fanah fil Shaykh) I dont think you could put your arguments any clearer. Its just a matter of one reading them before commenting.
An elderly Buzurgh related a story to me he had read quoted in a publication of Raza Acadamy, Lahore.
In it a renowned Mufi writes...
When I was in Madinah Munawwara I used to became really hurtful looking at some sayyids since they were not practising and were engrossed in worldly activities. It got to such an extent that each time I saw them I would think twice that should I even shake hands and say salaam to them since they should be setting a living example for Muslims.
One night the popular Mufit observes our Aqa wa Moula Sarware Konayn Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam in his dream but Rasoolai Kareem Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam had turned their noble face away from the Mufti implying their 'naraazgi' displeasure. The devastated Mufti cries and implores 'Ya Sayyidi, May my parents be sacrificed upon you, what crime have I committed for you to be displeased with me!' The Noble Messenger and Imam of all Apostles Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam replied 'For a father, all the children are equal, the obediant and disobediant alike'.
The Mufti immediately awoke and shaking. He realised what the dream meant and writes thereafter, 'whenever I met the Sadaat irrespective of their outlook I always met them with total respect'.
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Reason for Editing: TO ADD Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
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Post by Faizan on Dec 9, 2007 16:40:11 GMT
Subhanallah,
good observation. It sounds very much like Hadrat Shaykh al Islam wal Mulimeens speech in Karjan, Gujarat. This speech was in the biggest gathering I have ever seen in India on video.
Sayyid Ruknuddin (Quoted by Shah Saheb) is Sayyid Shokat Ali's elder brother 'Khalifa of Shaykh al Islam'. who was sat by the feet of Hadrat during the speech.
I must say Mohtaram ul Maqaam Fana fil Shaykh has done a great job in putting the speech in English. Maybe the admin should take note!!
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