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Post by ottoman on Jul 21, 2007 9:01:50 GMT
Rasûlullah ‘sall-Allâhu ’alaihi wa sallam’ stated, “May people who malign or curse any one of my Ashâb be accursed in the view of Allâhu ta’âlâ and angels and all people!” It is not something sinful not to curse the devil, who is accursed. The wisest policy is not to curse any creature. Nor is it anything advisable to curse Yazîd or Hajjâj.
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Post by Saalik on Jul 21, 2007 10:06:30 GMT
Bismillah-hir-Rahmaan-nir-Raheem Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Yaa Sayyadi Yaa Rasulallah Sallal Laahu Ta'alaa Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wa Sallam This is how we as Ahle Sunnat Wal Jama'at must think. We must further look at their differences as a pretext which Allah Subhaanahu Wa Ta'alaa has created for us to learn something from. Contrarily the deviants uses these incidents to distort Islamic history with their evil intended conclusion. It is not a new fact that they are in the habit of wrongly quoting from the Qur'an Shareef and the Hadith Shareef what is not applicable in a given circumstance. Anyone speaking ill of the Blessed Ahle Bait Alayhim Assalaam and the Blessed Companions Radi Allahu Ta'alaa Anhum is a deviant. The same applies to those supporting them, especially in religion. Quoting from Qur'an Shareef and Hadith Shareef must be done wisely with a true intention to support truth and not to support or prove or try to make believe that deviants are not on the wrong side only because they have written something positive. It has already been made clear earlier - we should not entertain any work by Shia's & deobandies on this website as it is very difficult at times to acknowledge or recognise wahabi/deobandi site but once it has been confirmed then one must refrain from using that website and promoting its contents here on Islam786. Inexperience in religious matter is a real danger, it is the duty of all of us to protect our Sunni Brothers and Sisters from getting the wrong materials to read. Sallalaahu Alan Nabiyyil Ummiyi Wa Aalehi Wa Sallama Salaatanw Wa Salaaman Alaika Yaa Rasulullah.
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Post by ottoman on Jul 21, 2007 10:12:04 GMT
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Post by Saalik on Jul 21, 2007 10:36:17 GMT
It seems you are not getting the right point - read before you post. Discard from your posts the sayings of the deviants because an inexperienced reader will wrongly interpret them. Are you not aware that still today there are people who don't find any wrong with the deviants just because they find them following the pillars of Islam and also praises the Blessed Ones.
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Post by ottoman on Jul 21, 2007 10:45:57 GMT
It seems you are not getting the right point - read before you post. Discard from your posts the sayings of the deviants because an inexperienced reader will wrongly interpret them. Are you not aware that still today there are people who don't find any wrong with the deviants just because they find them following the pillars of Islam and also praises the Blessed Ones. www.hizmetbooks.org/Sunni_Path/
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Post by musaafir on Jul 21, 2007 12:02:19 GMT
Brother i know these Hizmetbooks too well,Alhamdulillah they are true sunni in aqeeda but you must realise that sometimes deobandi material can filter into the system without being noticed because sunnis of the subcontinant are hanafi,maturidi but the deobandis also follow these schools,sunnis follow tariqa Qadiri,Chisti,Naqshabandi etc whilst some deobandis also follow tariqa mainly in Naqshabandi and Chisti schools,the difference lies in Aqeeda and distancing oneself from the kufria writings of past Deobandi scholars and their tendancy to label mubah and mustahab as bidah and shirk. How is a turkish person going to tell a deobandi from a true Sunni if they both claim to be Hanafi,maturidi naqshabandi/qadiri/chisti unless he knows full aqeeda,background and where his allegiance lies? The yemenese,syrian and Arab sunni shuyukh have fallen foul to these tactics in the past,but Alhamdulillah they seem to know now the aqeeda of deobandis. We though that excerpt was non sunni and pointed it out to you. nothing personal! Keep posting hizmet book material as it is useful and sunni but its not perfect all the time,i myself have had these books for last 6 yrs and learnt quite alot from them.
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Post by Slave of Ahle-Baith on Jul 21, 2007 12:14:20 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Beloved brother Saalik sahib , Majority of the ulema belive that in the battle between Maula Ali alayhis 'salam & Sayyidina Ameer Muawiya Radi Allahu anhu, Maula ali alayhis 'salam was/is on Haqq.
We shud respect all the Sahaba Ikram as there are numerous hadith on that. I respect and love all the sahaba ikram but my love for Ahle-Baith has no bound.
Saalik sahib just a small question , If you would have been at that time(battle) , Under whose flag you would have love to stand , Maula Ali alayhis 'salam or Sayyidina Ameer Muawiya Radi Allahu anhu
Haq is with Ali , Ali is with Haq.
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Jul 21, 2007 13:08:03 GMT
Rasûlullah ‘sall-Allâhu ’alaihi wa sallam’ stated, “May people who malign or curse any one of my Ashâb be accursed in the view of Allâhu ta’âlâ and angels and all people!” It is not something sinful not to curse the devil, who is accursed. The wisest policy is not to curse any creature. Nor is it anything advisable to curse Yazîd or Hajjâj.
Let me start the post with , Yaa Hussain ibne Ali Tumpe KArodon durood Karodon Salaam.
Ae Yazeed paleed tujhpe laakhon laanat karodon laanat.
Sayyida Sakina bint Husayn alayhis 'salam who also was part of the tragedy of Karbala said that yazeed was a kafir (Shaykh Barkhurdar Hashiya Nibras, Tabari etc).
Muhaddith Imam Qastalani in his commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari, Irshad as-Sari states that many scholars have stated to send laanat on yazid because he went out of the fold of Islam by martyring Imam Husayn and all the 'ulama are in agreement that whoever killed imam husayn he is a kafir, who ever deemed it permissible is a kafir, whoever is content with it is a kafir and the haqq is that yazid was content with it and was very happy with his murder and he did tawheen of members of the household of the Prophet, in these things which are mutawtur although the details are ahaad ,we do not do tawakkuf (sukut in kufr/laanat by name) in regards to him and have no doubts in his kufr. Allah curse him, his associates and his assistants.
Imam ibn Imad Hanbali in Shadharat al-Dhahab writes that we do not do tawakkuf/sukut in yazid and in his kufr in cursing yazid. The curse of Allah be on him, his companions and assistants.
Shaykh Abu Hasan bin 'Ali Ilkiya Harrasi Shafi'i who is given the title of 'Imad al-Din sums this up very clearly when he was asked by yazid:
Yazid was not from the sahaba because he was born in the Farooqi era and the qawl of the salaf saliheen is to send laanat on him, In reagrds to this there are two qawl from Imam Ahmad , Imam Malik also has two and Imam Abu Hanifah also has two of talweeh and tasreeh, in other words sending laanat on him implicitly and explicitly and Imam Shafi' has one qawl only which is to explicitly curse him.
Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal Radi Allahu anhu . he was asked by his son that a group of people (qawm) attribute us to [be with] yazid , he replied, O son! Whoever believes in Allah, how can they have any association with yazid? and why should he not be cursed (laanat) when Allah sends laanat on him in his Book. He asked where did Allah send laanat on him in his Book? The Imam replied "in this saying of Allah Ta'la":
Do you then have the sign that if you get the authority, spread disorder in the land and sever your ties of Kinship? These are they whom Allah has cursed and made them deaf from the truth and made their eyes blind. (47:22-23), and then says, is there any greater fasad than the murdering of Husayn alayhis 'salam?
Allama Sayyid Alusi Baghdadi in Tafsir Ruh al-Ma'ani under the same verse says that I am pretty certain that "the khabees certainly did not even accept the Prophecy of the beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam "
la'anatullahi 'alaykum dushmanaan-e-ahl-e-bayt thum ko mujhda naar ka ei dushmamaan-e-ahl-e-bayt!
more to come.........
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Jul 21, 2007 13:12:11 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
JAZZALLAHU ANNA MUHAMMADAN MA HUWA AHLAHU
SAGHE DARBARE JILANI
Proposal to our mother Sayyida 'Aisha Radi Allahu anha
Mufti 'Azam Britannia Shaykh al-Hadith Mufti Ghulam Rasoo Radi Allahu anhul writes from Shah Abdul Haq Muhaddith Dehlvi Radi Allahu anhuunder the chapter of fadail of the blessed wives of the Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam that Yazid proposed to Syeda 'Aisha Siddiqa Radi Allahu anha for marriage. When people informed him of the verse in the Qur'an, he still continued to say that he will marry her (na'zudhbillah). All the people knew that the blessed wives are the mothers of the believers and it is haram to even think about nikah with them as they are our mothers. But yazid did so and thus became a kafir for uttering such words. yes he actually proposed to the wife of the Beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam! who are haram upon the rijal of the ummah. he had no regard for any nisbat of the beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
la'anatullahi 'alaykum dushmanaan-e-ahl-e-bayt thum ko mujhda naar ka ei dushmamaan-e-ahl-e-bayt!
more to come..........
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Post by qadiri-faqir on Jul 21, 2007 14:29:01 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Sayyida Sakina bint Husayn alayhis 'salam who also was part of the tragedy of Karbala said that yazeed was a kafir (Shaykh Barkhurdar Hashiya Nibras, Tabari etc).
I never knew about this.
JazakAllah Rehan Qadiri Sahib.
la'anatullahi 'alaykum dushmanaan-e-ahl-e-bayt thum ko mujhda naar ka ei dushmamaan-e-ahl-e-bayt!
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Post by kenmirz on Jul 21, 2007 14:43:17 GMT
apparently i can see some misunderstanding here. Assalamualaikum everyone. we are all Muslim of Ahlusunnah. first and foremost, the Ahlusunnah waljamaah must unite and love one another. do not blame bro ottoman, he is quoting from reliable sources regarding yazid. the position of Ahlusunnah especially the Hanafi ulama is that we do not curse anybody, not even yazid or hajjaj though we consider them to be fasiq.
the book from Hizmet is reliable and translated from famous books of blessed ulama of Ahlusunnah wal jamaah. i know all their publication. i pray that we are all under the blessing of Allahu taala. wassalam.
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Post by ottoman on Jul 21, 2007 14:48:58 GMT
apparently i can see some misunderstanding here. Assalamualaikum everyone. we are all Muslim of Ahlusunnah. first and foremost, the Ahlusunnah waljamaah must unite and love one another. do not blame bro ottoman, he is quoting from reliable sources regarding yazid. the position of Ahlusunnah especially the Hanafi ulama is that we do not curse anybody, not even yazid or hajjaj though we consider them to be fasiq. the book from Hizmet is reliable and translated from famous books of blessed ulama of Ahlusunnah wal jamaah. i know all their publication. i pray that we are all under the blessing of Allahu taala. wassalam. May Allahu taala bless you
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Post by Saalik on Jul 21, 2007 14:50:02 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
JAZZALLAHU ANNA MUHAMMADAN MA HUWA AHLAHU
SAGHE DARBARE JILANI
Proposal to our mother Sayyida 'Aisha Radi Allahu anha
Mufti 'Azam Britannia Shaykh al-Hadith Mufti Ghulam Rasoo Radi Allahu anhul writes from Shah Abdul Haq Muhaddith Dehlvi Radi Allahu anhuunder the chapter of fadail of the blessed wives of the Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam that Yazid proposed to Syeda 'Aisha Siddiqa Radi Allahu anha for marriage. When people informed him of the verse in the Qur'an, he still continued to say that he will marry her (na'zudhbillah). All the people knew that the blessed wives are the mothers of the believers and it is haram to even think about nikah with them as they are our mothers. But yazid did so and thus became a kafir for uttering such words. yes he actually proposed to the wife of the Beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam! who are haram upon the rijal of the ummah. he had no regard for any nisbat of the beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
la'anatullahi 'alaykum dushmanaan-e-ahl-e-bayt thum ko mujhda naar ka ei dushmamaan-e-ahl-e-bayt!
more to come..........
KHAAKE DARBARE HUSSAINI ALAM Bismillah-hir-Rahmaan-nir-Raheem Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Yaa Sayyadi Yaa Rasulallah Sallal Laahu Ta'alaa Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wa Sallam How can we not curse such people who have no respect for the Mother of the Believers, Sayyidah Bibi Aisha Siddiqa Radi Allahu Ta'alaa Anha.Sallalaahu Alan Nabiyyil Ummiyi Wa Aalehi Wa Sallama Salaatanw Wa Salaaman Alaika Yaa Rasulullah.
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Post by Saalik on Jul 21, 2007 14:58:16 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Beloved brother Saalik sahib , Majority of the ulema belive that in the battle between Maula Ali alayhis 'salam & Sayyidina Ameer Muawiya Radi Allahu anhu, Maula ali alayhis 'salam was/is on Haqq.
We shud respect all the Sahaba Ikram as there are numerous hadith on that. I respect and love all the sahaba ikram but my love for Ahle-Baith has no bound.
Saalik sahib just a small question , If you would have been at that time(battle) , Under whose flag you would have love to stand , Maula Ali alayhis 'salam or Sayyidina Ameer Muawiya Radi Allahu anhu
Haq is with Ali , Ali is with Haq. Bismillah-hir-Rahmaan-nir-Raheem Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Yaa Sayyadi Yaa Rasulallah Sallal Laahu Ta'alaa Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wa Sallam Beloved Brother it seems something has been misinterpreted somewhere. When I say Sayyadinah Hazrat Ameer Muawiya Radi Alahu Ta'alaa Anhu is on Haq my meaning is that being a Blessed Sahaabah Radi Allahu Anhu He is on Haq (truth), no more than this. As it is clearly visible, I have not at any time referred to the battle concerned nor objected to the fact that "Haq is with Sayyadinah Ali Alayhis Salaam, Ali Alayhis Salaam, is with Haq". On a general ground, since the misinterpretation of a single word can cause misunderstanding, now imagine the results of stuffs that have been written by deviants – this is why I stress so much on this fact when more confidence is being put on theory and reality is being ignored. This must be interpreted as general and not targeted to anyone. Sallalaahu Alan Nabiyyil Ummiyi Wa Aalehi Wa Sallama Salaatanw Wa Salaaman Alaika Yaa Rasulullah.
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Post by Sister Nomee on Jul 21, 2007 15:16:46 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
We must be careful what we post ensuring it is from a 100% sunni website but if occasionally something is posted as mistakes can happen we must try to deal with it in a calm manner.
I agree with kenmirz that there has been some misunderstanding with some of the contents of this thread but the main thing is we must stay united remembering we are on the same side here, we cannot afford to start attacking and justifying each other.
JazakAllah khairun
Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by MadaniSister on Jul 21, 2007 15:33:50 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
Your Right Sister Nomee and Brother Kenmirz,there must be some misunderstanding,am sure brother ottoman has learned from this.
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Post by Faizan on Jul 21, 2007 16:38:01 GMT
No one in this day and age has the right to discuss who and who was not right during any of the disputes between the Noble Companions of Huzur Sayyidul 'Alimeen Sallallaha ho alay hi wa 'alihi wa ashaabihi wa sallam. We must maintain silence during these matters and not dwelve into such events. The Ulema e Ahl as Sunnah do not generally speak on these events since they do not want to show prejudice or take sides inorder to maintain respect and honour for all the Sahaba e Kiram Ridwanullahi ta ala ajmaeen. When the 'juhala' ignorant and illiterate began to take sides then we had the two extreme groups of Shia and Wahabi who by showing respect to one party were totally disrespectful for the other.
It is true to say that when there is no clear injunction from the Qur'an or Hadith then those who are qualified induce Qiyaas or Ijitihaad. Two different opinions on furuwi/fiqhi issues are Rehmah. The Blessed Companions as Brother Musaafir points out were all qualified to do ijtihad and according to their understanding they were doing what they deemed as correct at the time, inspite of the khwarji's being upto no good to cause divisions.
I have heard from Hadrat Shaykh al Islam and many other Ulema e Kiraam that when there was a dispute between Hadrat Musa and Hadrat Haroon Alayhimus Salaam or when Hadrat Musa Alayhis Salaam slapped Hadrat Israeel Alayhis Salaam (Angel of Death) we have no right to discuss or take sides since both those groups of people are 'masum' free from transgressions. We are on a far lower platform to them we have no authority nor understanding to talk and take sides. Likewise all the blessed Companions of Rasoolai Kareem Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam there honour, respect, status is something we can never reach. If The King and Master of all the Awliya Hadrat Gawth al 'Azam Radi Allahu anhu can not reach the makaam of a Sahabi who may only have been a Sahabi for one day and then passed away then who are we to talk and question those great 'Nufus e Qudsiya' chosen by Almighty Allah to be the Noble Companions of His greatest creation.
When Shaykh al Islam were asked regarding their opinion in regards to the dispute of the Noble companions in question they replied that they were both on Haqq. Then the questioner asked them 'Well if you were alive at the time whose side would you have taken?' Hadrat replied 'If I was alive at the time, what would I have been?' The questioner said either A Sahabi or a ta'bi'. Hadrat said 'Correct so i would have been with my father Hadrat 'Ali Radi Allahu anhu and as a Companion or their companion I would have been within my rights to take sides as I would have been of the same level of status as them, but today I have no authority nor rights to question their integrity for they are far superior to any one in the present age'.
May Allah instill in our hearts true love for all the Blessed Companions and real adoration and respect for our Noble Messengers Ahle Bayt e Kiraam Ridwanullahi ajmaeen.
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Jul 21, 2007 17:06:03 GMT
apparently i can see some misunderstanding here. Assalamualaikum everyone. we are all Muslim of Ahlusunnah. first and foremost, the Ahlusunnah waljamaah must unite and love one another. do not blame bro ottoman, he is quoting from reliable sources regarding yazid. the position of Ahlusunnah especially the Hanafi ulama is that we do not curse anybody, not even yazid or hajjaj though we consider them to be fasiq. the book from Hizmet is reliable and translated from famous books of blessed ulama of Ahlusunnah wal jamaah. i know all their publication. i pray that we are all under the blessing of Allahu taala. wassalam.
Imam Jalal ad-Din Suyuti who needs know introduction states after mentioning the horrific and tragic events of karbala says la'naAllahu qaatilahu wa ibn ziyad ma'ahu wa yazeed aydan. The curse of Allah on the murder of Imam Husyan, ibn Ziyad and Yazeed also! (Tarikh-ul-Khulafa p 183).
Also note that among the great saints and scholars of the last century is the Qutub of his time Pir Sayyid Mihr Ali Shah Gilani says he is a kafir and mustahiq-e-laanat, Amir-e-Millat Pir Sayyid Jamat Ali Shah Sahib says the same, both are Hanafis so I am sure they all know of the correct position.
Furthermore the mu'allim awwal of the subcontinent, greatest scholar of his time, Shaykh-e-Muhaqqiq Shah Abdul Haq Muhaddith Delhiwi Hanafi who is an Imam of 'Aqida, Hadith, Fiqh and also a great Sufi calls him a kafir and says in the first aqidah text to be penned in the sub continent which laid out the foundations for Sunni 'Aqidah,
He further says that there is one such group (does not classify these as ahl-e-sunnat but group) who even opine that yazid did not murder Imam Husayn nor was he content with the martydom of hazrat husayn and the Ahl al-bayt. This qawl is baatil and mardood because yazid had enmity against the ahl al-bayt and the events of his ihanat and zillat of the ahl al-bayt are proven through tawatur that he did them. in tamaam waqiaat sei inkaar kar na az raah-e-takalluf hei.
He also says that "one group says that the murdering of Imam Husyan is actually [only] a major sin. Because to kill a mumin unjustly comes under the major sins, not under kufr, but laanat is specific for kuffar only. There is remorse at one who holds such an opinion (esi rayei' ka izhaar kar nei waloun par afsoos hei). They are ignorant of the sayings of the saying of the beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam because to hold hatred (bughz) and enmity (adaawat) for Hazrat Fatima Radi Allahu anha and her children, and to hurt them and insult them is cause for hurting and holding enmity against the beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam. In light of this hadith what faisala will these hazraat give regarding yazeed. Is the tawheen and enmity against the beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam not a cause for kufr and laanat? And is this not enough to send them to the hellfire? Read the verse below:
Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam - Allah has cursed them in this World and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment.
more to come from Hanafi scholar including Aala Hazrat Radi Allahu anhu
P.S.: Brother Ottomon i dont have any grudge with you , I know you post with good intention , I just wanna expose Yazeed Laanati.
Soon i will prove that Yazeed Lanati martyr Imam Hussain alayhis 'salam because of his enmity with Beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam & Ahle BAith Al-Athar
la'anatullahi 'alaykum dushmanaan-e-ahl-e-bayt thum ko mujhda naar ka ei dushmamaan-e-ahl-e-bayt!
KHAAKE DARBARE HUSSAINI ALAM
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Post by Saalik on Jul 21, 2007 18:10:10 GMT
Bismillah-hir-Rahmaan-nir-Raheem Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Yaa Sayyadi Yaa Rasulallah Sallal Laahu Ta'alaa Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wa Sallam Joining the respected moderators and members who have taken the steps to prevent the situation from degenerating, I have a special appeal to all (including me) - whenever we are being opposed because of what we have posted, which others are not agreeing with, we must not ignore what they are trying to make us understand. Furthermore we must not try to refute with what is not appropriate in respect to the given circumstance. When we are being requested to refrain from something which is inappropriate, we must not behave in a way that will cause others to react with harshness. We must not consider ourselves as more learned and continue to ignore what others are saying. It is best that when we are being warned of something, we immediately stop for a moment and listen to what is being said and take advice from the respected moderators.
As Beloved Brother Syed Rehan has said, I too have no personal grudge against Brother Ottoman but objected to what is wrong. So Brother Ottoman to be hurt you have been deeply hurt – I apologize and ask forgiveness for having been harsh to you. One more thing, in the past I did said it to you and I am sincerely saying it again: I respect and appreciate your good intention of sharing.
May we all learn from our errors and not feel to ask forgiveness openly for hurting others and being harsh to them and also to accept our fault when we are at fault.
Sallalaahu Alan Nabiyyil Ummiyi Wa Aalehi Wa Sallama Salaatanw Wa Salaaman Alaika Yaa Rasulullah.
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Jul 22, 2007 15:23:10 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
JAZZALLAHU ANNA MUHAMMADAN MA HUWA AHLAHU
SAGHE DARBARE JILANI
More despicable and humuliating acts against the ahl al-bayt
When yazid had the ladies of the ahl al-bayt in his courtyard for public display the humiliation did not end there; one shami malun said rude words to Fatima bint Ali Radi Allahu anha (give this slave girl to me astaghfirullah!!), Syeda Fatima Radi Allahu anha began to tremble and held on to her sister Sayyida Zaynab Radi Allahu anha tightly who said you are a la'een (lanti) and a kameena, she is not permissible for you, nor for your yazid! How dare you even talk about her in this sense. yazid got angry and said you are wrong and telling lies, by god she is in my hands, if I want I can give her to the shami. Syeda Fatima Radi Allahu anha replied, by Allah you cannot! You do not have the slightest of right in this unless you publicly announce your that you have gone out of our ummah and left the religion of Islam and announce that you adopted another religion.
From the above it is clear that the events of yazid displaying the pious ladies of the family beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam in public and treating them in such a way in front of everyone shows he has absolutely no regard for the family of the Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam and the words of the honourable ladies tell you the state of his iman that he should make his annoucement that he has left Islam.
more to come......
la'anatullahi 'alaykum dushmanaan-e-ahl-e-bayt
thum ko mujhda naar ka ei dushmamaan-e-ahl-e-bayt!
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