Hadrat Mu’âwiya’s last advice to his son Yazîd

[kenmirz]

Bismillahirrohmanirrohim, Assalamualaikum everybody. i feel that we the AhluSunnah here should not get enraged. we pray that Allahu taala gives us Hidayah & Tawfiq. actually, the position of Ulama of AhluSunnah with regards to yazid and hajjaj was that they were fasiq and most of them do not comment more.
this is because there is no benefit in cursing someone, even the damned iblees. we seek refuge from Allahu taala against iblees but cursing this low creature is not an ibadaat.
there are so many reports regarding yazid either positive or negative. some reports said that he befriend Muhammad bin hanafiyya, the son of Hadrat Ali radhiyallahuanhu. this son of Hadrat Ali do not curse yazid. some report said that yazid weeped at the shahid of hadrat Huseyn radhiyallahuanhu. some report said that he curse ibnu sumayyah for martyring Hadrat Huseyn.some report said that he was the comander of the army marching to Constantinople which included in the army such as hadrat Huseyn and Hadrat Abdullah Ibnu Abbas. there are so many conflicting report about yazid,thus, some ulama of ahlusunnah permitted cursing him, while others take a precautionary steps and avoid cursing. we respect both opinion highly and yazid is regarded as fasiq. we do not comment more. his matter is determined by Allahu taala.
i think we better improve our Ibadat rather than discussing this trivial issue. wallahu a'lam.

[Fana fi Shaykh]

kenmirz said:

Bismillahirrohmanirrohim, Assalamualaikum everybody. i feel that we the AhluSunnah here should not get enraged. we pray that Allahu taala gives us Hidayah & Tawfiq. actually, the position of Ulama of AhluSunnah with regards to yazid and hajjaj was that they were fasiq and most of them do not comment more.
this is because there is no benefit in cursing someone, even the damned iblees. we seek refuge from Allahu taala against iblees but cursing this low creature is not an ibadaat.
there are so many reports regarding yazid either positive or negative. some reports said that he befriend Muhammad bin hanafiyya, the son of Hadrat Ali radhiyallahuanhu. this son of Hadrat Ali do not curse yazid. some report said that yazid weeped at the shahid of hadrat Huseyn radhiyallahuanhu. some report said that he curse ibnu sumayyah for martyring Hadrat Huseyn.some report said that he was the comander of the army marching to Constantinople which included in the army such as hadrat Huseyn and Hadrat Abdullah Ibnu Abbas. there are so many conflicting report about yazid,thus, some ulama of ahlusunnah permitted cursing him, while others take a precautionary steps and avoid cursing. we respect both opinion highly and yazid is regarded as fasiq. we do not comment more. his matter is determined by Allahu taala.
i think we better improve our Ibadat rather than discussing this trivial issue. wallahu a'lam.

Brother can you quote the books where you get this information. Its Nasibi's who say such thing that Yazeed laanati weep for Shahadat-e-Imam Hussain alayhis 'salam. Bring the reference and quote the scholar's.

Insha-Allah then we will have a healthy discussion.

"thum ko mujhda naar ka ei dushmanaan-e-ahlebayt"

"la'natullahi 'alaykum dushmanan-e-ahl-e-bayt".

[treasure]

of course we ask for the wrath of Allah on the enemies of the Prophets household on the enemies of the Prophets companions and on the direct enemies of the Noble Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam). If laanat is valid upon the liers as per the Holy Qur'an then these people deserve the most extreme lanat tullah.

[Haideri-Qalander]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

i feel that we the AhluSunnah here should not get enraged. we pray that Allahu taala gives us Hidayah & Tawfiq.

Why should we not discuss this issue. Imam Hussain alayhis 'salam is beloved of Allah's beloved Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam and he is our Master ans master of the youth of Paradise.

actually, the position of Ulama of AhluSunnah with regards to yazid and hajjaj was that they were fasiq and most of them do not comment more.

Provide the list and Insha-Allah we will also provide the name of Scholar that too from Salaf-e-Saliheen and pious Scholar's of Ahle Sunnah. As our beloved brother Syed Muhammad Rehan Hussain Qadiri sahib has already given lots of daleel and quotes from various book to prove the Kufr of yazeed laanati.

Its true there are some who keep quite on this issue but it does'nt mean that they say that he was Muslim.

this is because there is no benefit in cursing someone, even the damned iblees. we seek refuge from Allahu taala against iblees but cursing this low creature is not an ibadaat.

Where did our brother Rehan Sahib said it earn's reward for sending laanat on yazeed.

And why shud there be no laanat on yazeed when Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala himself send laanat on him in Quran:

Do you then have the sign that if you get the authority, spread disorder in the land and sever your ties of Kinship? These are they whom Allah has cursed and made them deaf from the truth and made their eyes blind. (47:22-23), and then says, is there any greater fasad than the murdering of Husayn alayhis 'salam?

Allama Sayyid Alusi Baghdadi in Tafsir Ruh al-Ma'ani under the same verse says that I am pretty certain that "the khabees certainly did not even accept the Prophecy of the beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam "

Was he even a muslim in the first place is the question there?

In his khutba Sayyidina Imam Hussain alayhis 'salam states:

O people! The beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam said whoever sees a zaalim sultaan who attempts to make that which Allah made haram into halal, one who breaks the oath with Allah, an opponent of the sunnah of the beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam , carries out sins and aggression on the servants of Allah, and the one witnessing does not try to change this with his actions or speech, then on the day of judgement that person will also be entered into that part of of hell. O people,! Listen carefully, Yazeed and his group have made the following (ita'at) of the shaytan necessary upon themselves, and left the ita'at of Rahmaan, he has spread fasad, he has abandoned the hudood of Islam, embezzles the maal of fay' for himself, makes the halal of Allah haram, and makes the haram of Allah halal..[khutba continues]. (Tarikh Tabari, vol 6. p. 229, Tarikh Kamil vol 4, p. 48)

some report said that he curse ibnu sumayyah for martyring Hadrat Huseyn Radi Allahu anhu.

This is complete false.

Comments of Yazid's son.

...then came my father (yazeed) and took the Khilafat and he wasn't worthy of it and disputed it with the grandson of the beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam , so Allah shortened his life and he became in his tomb a prisoner of his deeds, then he (son of yazid) cried and said: from the worst things that really affected us is our knowledge of his evil death and his fate; he who killed the descendants of RasoolAllah Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam and allowed drinking wine and destroyed the ka'ba. (al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqa, p. 197)

Treatment of the severed head of Imam Husyan alayhis 'salam

Ibn Asakir, writing on Yazeed, states then when Husayn's alayhis 'salam head was brought before Yazeed palid, he made an open invitation to all people to come and see the head. He started hitting the blessed lips and teeth of Imam Husayn alayhis 'salam with his stick which poured blood from him, and then reciting things like 'I wish my ancestors of Badr were hear to see the severed head of the rebellious tribe i.e. [The Prophet's Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam tribe of Hashim]." The sahabi Abu Barza Radi Allahu anhu was present at this horrific scene and shouted "by Allah! Move your stick! By Allah I have seen the beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam kiss these lips on many occasions. (Tarikh Tabari , ibn Kathir etc).

Did this person have any regard at all for the family of the Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam? To display the head in public and ask people to see it, hit his mouth with his stick and say kufria statements and tahwheen against the the beloved Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam clearly shows the khabees was a mal'un kafir.

When ibn Ziyad presented the head of Imam Husayn alayhis 'salam to Yazid Paleed, he was very happy and the respect and honour he had for ibn ziyad increased. Soon he realised that the people began to hate him and send laanat on him. Yes at the time of Imam Husayn alayhis 'salam people sent laanat on him! (Tarikh Kamil v. 4, p. 87)

Mullah Ali Qari writes that Yazid did those things that prove his kufr such as holding alcohol permissible and the words which he uttered at the time of the murdering of Imam Husayn alayhis 'salam that he avenged the death of his elders that were killed in the battle of badr. This is why Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal called him a kafir (Mullah Ali Qari in Sharah Fiqh al-Akbar p. 88)

Also note that Sayyida Sakina bint Husayn Radi Allahu anha who also was part of the tragedy of Karbala said that yazeed was a kafir (Shaykh Barkhurdar Hashiya Nibras, Tabari etc).

Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam - Allah has cursed them in this World and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment.

just answer one question: what happened to Ubaidullah bin ziyad after his army martyred OUR Imam alayhis 'salam and His family...did yazeed punish him and remove him from his post????no, never, but the shaytaan with blessing from his guru yazeed remained the governor of kufa and basra

some reports said that he befriend Muhammad bin hanafiyya, the son of Hadrat Ali radhiyallahuanhu. this son of Hadrat Ali do not curse yazid , some report said that he was the comander of the army marching to Constantinople which included in the army such as hadrat Huseyn and Hadrat Abdullah Ibnu Abbas.

Prove it with reference and narrator's.

finally, Lanatullahey alaikum dushmanan e ahle bayt...if the lanatt is on dushman of ahley bayt then does that mean yazeed was the dost of ahley bayt?

shah ast Husayn, baadshah ast Husayn, deen ast husayn, deen pana ast husayn

sar daad na daad dast dar dast e yazeed, haqaa kei binaa laa ilaah ast Husayn!

[Saalik]

Bismillah-hir-Rahmaan-nir-Raheem
Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Yaa Sayyadi Yaa Rasulallah
Sallal Laahu Ta'alaa Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wa Sallam

kenmirz said:

this is because there is no benefit in cursing someone, even the damned iblees. we seek refuge from Allahu taala against iblees but cursing this low creature is not an ibadaat.

Aouzubillahi Minash Shaitaanir Rajim

I seek refuge in Allah against shaitaan the accursed.

Sayyadinah Hazrat Muhammad Sallal Laahu Ta'alaa Alayhi Wa Sallam has stated that when anyone recites the Ta'wuz , the Shaitaan says that his back has been broken. Sayyadinah Hazrat Muhammad Sallal Laahu Ta'alaa Alayhi Wa Sallam also said:

"Any Muslim who reads Ta'wuz ten times a day is blessed by Allah Subhaanahu Wa Ta'alaa with an Angel, who keeps Shaitaan away from him."

Mirza, read further, repent and act upon this Ibaadat: ashraf786.proboards15.com/index.cgi?board=learn&action=display&thread=1179502052


Sallalaahu Alan Nabiyyil Ummiyi Wa Aalehi Wa Sallama Salaatanw Wa Salaaman Alaika Yaa Rasulullah.

[Saalik]

kenmirz said:

i feel that we the AhluSunnah here should not get enraged.

Yes ken you are right, we should not get enraged, so let's smile

[musaafir]

kenmirz said:

.some report said that he was the comander of the army marching to Constantinople which included in the army such as hadrat Huseyn and Hadrat Abdullah Ibnu Abbas.

This is something the Yazeedi's have tried to prove in Yazeeds favour.

The hadith that promises heaven to those that attack /raid or conquer constantinople(or its cities),refers only to those who are the very first to do so,hence it can be proven from authentic sources that Yazeed was not even in the first ghazwa,but he was in the eighth(8th) ghazwa,even then he did not go out of his own accord but was forced by his father to take a message to those taking part.

Dr Tahirul Qadiri is one of the scholars that absolutely proved this in one of his lectures.

[kenmirz]

BISMILLAHIRROHMANIRROHIM
ASSALAMUALAIKUM. i want to apologize to all my Ahlusunnah Brother here. i do not mean to defend a fasiq like yazid but his matter is judged by Allahu taala. Imam Ghazali rahimahullah also do not approve of cursing. as for nasibi heretic, they are the khawarij who hated many of the Sahabah kiram and Ahlil Beyt. the book by Muhammad AbduShakur Mirzapuri entitled Shahadat Huseyn elaborate the karbala incidents detailedly and scrutinize many sources from shia as well as AhluSunnah. this book was translated by Ghulam haydar of the Islamic Madrasa in karachi. the madrasa that educated the ulama Muhammad Yusuf banuri.
there is evidence that stated that the real killer and murderer of hadrat Huseyn radhiyallahuanhu was the shia. it was them who invited Hadrat Huseyn to Kufa promising assistance and support of more than 50,000 men. however, they deserted him in masses and Hadrat Imam was left with 72 followers only. the fasiq yazid did not call the hadrat Huseyn to Kufa, he did not order to kill him. when hadrat huseyn wanted to go to Kufa, certain noble Companion like hadrat abdullah ibnu umar and hadrat abdullah ibnu abbas dissuaded him and disclose that the people of Kufa is not sincere. but he insisted to go there. this is the ijtihad hadrat huseyn did.
wassalam.

[Fana fi Shaykh]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

JAZZALLAHU ANNA SAYYIDINA MUHAMMADAN MA HUWA AHLAHU

SAGHE DARBARE JILANI

Imam Ghazali rahimahullah also do not approve of cursing

imam Ghazali Radi Allahu anhu also said that it is haram to recite shahadat of Imam Hasan alayhis 'salam and Imam Hossain alayhis 'salam...this you can find in Ibn Hajar Makki Radi Allahu anhu Sawaiq.

So shud we stop reciting Shahadat of Imam Hasan Mujtaba alayhis 'salam & Imam Hussain alayhis 'salam.

Imam Ghazzali Radi Allahu anhu further state that Yazeed laanati is Mumin/Muslim.

he further states Actually, it is desirable to send the mercy of Allâh upon yazîd.

tu lakh chupey pardey mein eh rooh e yazeed
lanatt teri tasweer pey hum kartey rahin gey.

Imam Ghazzali in his book 'sirul aalamain wa kashfun ma fi darain' criticises Imam Ali bin Abi Talib alayhis 'salam and amongst other things says Maula Ali's alayhis 'salam GREED and DESIRE for power overcame Maula Ali alayhis 'salam

Imam Gazzali Radi Allahu anhu further insult's Imam E Azam Abu Hanifa Radi Allahu anhu.

work of Imam Gazzali Radi Allahu anhu on this subject has been refuted by the Ulema's of Shafi Madhab and other Wali-Allah.

If you wish then beloved brother i can give the complete reference on what basis the Ulema's have refuted the work of Imam Gazzali Radi Allahu anhu on this subject. The Nasibi's always quote Imam Gazzali Radi Allahu anhu on this subject.

Yazeed Laanati Yaazeed Laanati Yazeed Lanati...........

there is evidence that stated that the real killer and murderer of hadrat Huseyn radhiyallahuanhu was the shia

Yazeedi' & Shia's both are killer of Maula Hussain alayhis 'salam. Shia's ditch our Imam & Yazeedi's martyr's them.

Companion like hadrat abdullah ibnu umar and hadrat abdullah ibnu abbas dissuaded him and disclose that the people of Kufa is not sincere. but he insisted to go there. this is the ijtihad hadrat huseyn did.

Beloved brother Maula Hussain alayhis 'salam known's that he will drink Jaam-e-Shahadat at Karbala as there are dozens of Hadith on it.

HAQ IS WITH HUSSAIN , HUSSAIN IS WITH HAQ!

"thum ko mujhda naar ka ei dushmanaan-e-ahlebayt"

"la'natullahi 'alaykum dushmanan-e-ahl-e-bayt".

MANAM KHAAKE DARBARE HUSSAINI ALAM

[Saalik]

Bismillah-hir-Rahman-nir-Raheem
Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Yaa Sayyadi Yaa Rasulallah
Sallal Laahu Ta'alaa Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wa Sallam

when hadrat huseyn wanted to go to Kufa, certain noble Companion like hadrat abdullah ibnu umar and hadrat abdullah ibnu abbas dissuaded him and disclose that the people of Kufa is not sincere. but he insisted to go there. this is the ijtihad hadrat huseyn did.

Mirza, what is your real intention and what exactly do you want to say which you are not able to say properly.


Sallalaahu Alan Nabiyyil Ummiyi Wa Alaa Aalehi Wa Sallam Salaatanw Wa Salaaman Alaika Yaa Rasulullah..[/b]

[musaafir]

kenmirz said:

the book by Muhammad AbduShakur Mirzapuri entitled Shahadat Huseyn elaborate the karbala incidents detailedly and scrutinize many sources from shia as well as AhluSunnah. this book was translated by Ghulam haydar of the Islamic Madrasa in karachi. the madrasa that educated the ulama Muhammad Yusuf banuri.

Brother i stated before that these lot are deobandies as is that madrassa!

[ank92]

Please please brothers no defending Yazeedi's on this forum.


We must also respect the opions of the great and noble Awliya Allah of the Past as well such as Hadrat Imam e Ghazali Radi allaho ta'ala anho. They had there reasons for upholding the opinions they did, even Imam Ahmad Raza Rahmatullahi Alay was silent in regards to Yazeeds infidelity. How ever there is no doubt that the lanat of Allah is upon him and all the yazeedis of the past, present and future.

[musaafir]

amateurnaatkhwan said:

Please please brothers no defending Yazeedi's on this forum.


We must also respect the opions of the great and noble Awliya Allah of the Past as well such as Hadrat Imam e Ghazali Radi allaho ta'ala anho.

Absolutely, even if we do not agree with these rulings of great scholars such as Al Ghazzali,we must be careful as not to insult them.

Among the Ahle Sunnah, the strongest position is of Imam Taftazani who was the absolute master and giant in the science of Aqeeda,imam sahib was a muqallid of the shafi madhab.

The respected imam actually proves the kufr of yazeed in his writings,but at the same time exhonerates greats like Ghazzali,too.

He states that those who were not in favour of sending laanat upon Yazeed(i.e Ghazzali) did so as to not let it become a common practice amongst sunnis(like shias do).
More importantly scholars desisted from allowing open laanat in the fear it went upwards i.e. to Hadrat Muavya,Abu Sufian Radi Allahu anhum(astaghfirullah).

We should refrain from judging great scholars based on a few statements,as none of them are perfect and a capable of error
but must appreciate their contribution and sacrifice for the Ahle Sunnah cause in the face of many challeges of their time(s).

I do not agree with Imam Ghazzali's stance on the issue ,but at the same time keep in mind the dream of shaykh Abul Hasan Shadhili in which he saw the Prophet Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam, Isa alayhis 'salam and Musa alayhis 'salam,in which RasoolAllah Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam is asking the two other Prophets as to if they have anybody as knowledgeable as imam Ghazzali(who is also present in the dream) in their ummats? to which they affirm in the negative.

There are 3 real positions on Yazeed,but only 2 are really followed amongst the true Ahle Sunnah those being:
A) Kaafir.
B)Faasiq,faajir and jahannami but silence on his being muslim or not.

Both are valid sunni positions and should not be forced upon each other as one does not become a deviant by following either of them.

We should hence drop this subject .

[muzaffar]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Brother kenmirz needs to distance himself from the deobandis it seems.

Education, seeking further knowledge is beneficial to all, but does it really matter what we think. Do we have to have an opinion on every senstive issue, either one way or the other ? No one is obviously going to defend Yazid, therefore his imaan is not one for us to question in my opinion.

Allah knows best.

[Fana fi Shaykh]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

JAZZALLAHU ANNA MUHAMMADAN MA HUWA AHLAHU

SAGHE DARBARE JILANI

Well beloved brother there is not doubt that Imam Gazzali Radi Allahu anhu is a great Hujjat and one should respect him.

JazakAllahu khayrun

MANAM KHAAKE DARBARE HUSSAINI ALAM

[kenmirz]

Bismillahirrohmanirohim, Assalamualaikum.
please refrain from speaking ill of hadrat imam ghazali rahimahullah. he never spoke ill of hadrat imam a'zam abu hanifa. his work ihya ulumuddin is a masterpiece, valuable work. as for yazid, leave him as he is. we should do our own muhasabah to improve ourselves.

[Fana fi Shaykh]

kenmirz said:

Bismillahirrohmanirohim, Assalamualaikum.
please refrain from speaking ill of hadrat imam ghazali rahimahullah. he never spoke ill of hadrat imam a'zam abu hanifa. his work ihya ulumuddin is a masterpiece, valuable work. as for yazid, leave him as he is. we should do our own muhasabah to improve ourselves.

Quote any one word from my post where i speak ill about Imam Gazzali Radi Allahu anhu

As for his comment on Abu Hanifa Radi Allahu anhu ask your Ustaad.

Kenmirz sahib bring proof with complete reference dont shoot in the air.

We love HUjjataul Islam Imam Gazzali Radi Allahu anhu but love and respect does'nt mean we should accept all his ruling.

urdu readers can also consult peer karam shah sahib al-azhari's maqalaat about curse on yazeed and refutation of imam ghazali Radi Allahu anhu for saying something in which he has no authority because he was a muqallid of Imam Shafi Radi Allahu anhu and Imam Shafi Radi Allahu anhu said we should say curse on yazeed.

We love Imam Gazzali Radi Allahu anhu but our love for Imaam-e-Aali Maqaam Maula Hussain alayhis 'salam is zillion times greater.

One more thing Kenmirz saheb your post show your love and respect for Maula Hussain alayhis 'salam & Ahle-bayt , u hardly have written Radi Allahu anhu with their name but didn't forget to write rahimullah with Imam Gazzali Radi Allahu anhu.

Imam Gazzali Radi Allahu anhu is a great scholar and no one is doubting his credibility but his Fatwa on Yazid has been refuted and confronted by Various scholar of all the ages.

JazakAllahu Khayrun

la'anatullahi 'alaykum dushmanaan-e-ahl-e-bayt

thum ko mujhda naar ka ei dushmamaan-e-ahl-e-bayt!

[Saalik]

kenmirz said:

Bismillahirrohmanirohim, Assalamualaikum.
please refrain from speaking ill of hadrat imam ghazali rahimahullah. he never spoke ill of hadrat imam a'zam abu hanifa. his work ihya ulumuddin is a masterpiece, valuable work. as for yazid, leave him as he is. we should do our own muhasabah to improve ourselves.

very strange, where has anyone spoken ill of Imam Al Ghazaali Radi Allahu Anhu. Have you really or completely read Ihya Ulum ud Deen which is Alhamdulillah a masterpiece.

Here we are neither followers nor defenders of yazid laanati, either directly or indirectly. You came forward with the yazid subject, now you say leave it. You first mentioned Imam al Ghazaali Radi Allahu Anhu, whom we all respect - what guarantee do we have that tomorrow after adding fuel to fire you won't say leave Him as He is and so on.

If after insulting Ummul Mumineen Sayyidah Bibi Ayeshah Siddiqa Radi Allahu Ta'alaa Anha, MOTHER of all believers, you still have respect and flowers for yazid laanati, then your gratefulness as a son is to be doubted.

If anyone behaves in this manner with any lady of your family will you still be theoretical and not practical? Will you say to yourself that you should do your own muhasabah to improve yourself? Will you put your fingers in your ears so as not to hear the disrespecful words? Will you shut your eyes so as not to watch the horrible scene or simply you will run and hide and return back after and say that you cannot say anything against the sinner in question because you neither saw nor heard anything as you were not here. This is easiest defence for a coward who can bear insult to a lady of his family by hiding behing rulings which in reality he himself does not follow. The choice is yours, so make the good choice to prevent yourself further self inflicting humiliation. If you have the least self respect, you know what to do best, we don't need to tell you further.

[Haideri-Qalander]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam

Naare Haideri Yaa Ali

when someone asked the great khalifa of Hujjat-ul-Islam 'Allama Hamid Raza Khan Radi Allahu anhu, Allama Abdul Ghafoor Hazrarvi who during a speech on kufr-e-yazeed was asked by a member in the crowd that Imam Sahib did not explicitly say he was kafir, he replied "muslamaan kaha tha?" he asked this three times and when the person did not respond he said there is your answer and the reason this was said is that yazid was a person who was way beyond the classifications and boundaries of Islam and Kufr (in other words every other non-muslim you see on street is a kafir, but yazid was much worse for what he did)

Other relevant things mentioned under this heading in bahar-e-shari'at: whoever denies the shahadat of Hasnayn Karimayn is gumrah, bad-deen and khasir. Ahl-e-Bayt-e-Kiram are the muqtadayan (the ones followed/adhered to) of ahl-e-sunnat, whoever does not have love for them is a mardood, lanti and kharji.

Pir Karam Shah Sahib al-Azhari in proving the kufr of yazeed shows that there is only one person who is in disagreement, his words are quite strong as he puts the al-Ghazzali quote with the yazeedi party, in that the yazeedi party can only quote Imam Ghazzali ("yazeed kei taraf daar" yes the language is very strong but they are not my words, and I sense the strong use of language against Imam Ghazzali by some of our ulama, which was one of the reasons the thread started, is because he is the only who yazeedis depend on). In response Pir Sahib quotes the answer given by Shaykh Ilkiya Harrasi when he was asked about Imam Ghazzali's view on yazid saying Imam Ghazzali has no authority in this as his Imam calls yazid a kafir and Pir Sahib says that the position of Imam Shafi'i who is the Imam is taken and that of his muqallid is rejected. He continues to prove the kufr of yazeed and says that the difference in ahl as-Sunnah is only in tasreeh (shakhsi) or talweeh (ghayr shakhsi).

Mufti Ghulam Rasool Sahib also states the same about the opinion of Imam Ghazzali. He says that we do not say it is wajib to send laanat on yazid nor do we say that one should role a tasbeeh sending laanat as tasbeeh is for Allah. To curse yazid is permissible as stated by the ulama, some have done so explicitly and some have done so impilcitly.

Qadi Abu Ya'la was one of the first to write write a book on the kufr of yazeed, What Imam Ghazzali said in his ihya is wrong because he was the first person to formulate such an opinion about yazid.

The above shows that Imam Ghazzali was the first to say this, and such an opinion is not established from the salaf, therefore we follow the opinion of the salaf-us-saliheen, the mujtahid imams, the imams of aqaid and so forth which is that yazid is a kafir mal'un, some said this explicitly but some said it implicitly so anything other than this we reject.

Mr Kenmirz i dont know what you are upto because you keep diverting the topic.

Kenmirz stop leveling allegation against our Beloved brother Syed Muhammad Rehan Hussain Qadiri as we know how much he respect & love an ordinary Sunni muslim.

Kenmirz just a small Question IS IMAM GAZZALI MASOOM.


la'anatullahi 'alaykum dushmanaan-e-ahl-e-bayt

thum ko mujhda naar ka ei dushmamaan-e-ahl-e-bayt!

[Hafeez]

Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

br kenmirz no-one here has insulted Imam Ghazzali Rehmatullahi ’Alaih please don' make such allegations, Jazakallah