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Post by ottoman on Jul 19, 2007 10:39:32 GMT
Hadrat Mu’âwiya’s last advice to his son Yazîd as he was dying, as follows:
“You know what relation Imâm Husayn ‘radiy-Allâhu ’anh’ is to the Messenger of Allah. He is a part from the beloved Prophet’s blessed body. He is an offspring from the flesh and blood of that most honourable person. I understand that the inhabitants of Iraq invite him to go there and be with them. But they will not help him; they will leave him alone. If he should fall into your hands, behave in appreciation of his value! Remember the closeness and affection of the Messenger of Allah ‘sall-Allâhu ’alaihi wa sallam’ to him! Do not get back at him for his behaviour! Mind you don’t break the substantial ties I have established between him and us! Be extra careful lest you should hurt or offend him!” This advice of Hadrat Mu’âwiya’s to (his son) Yazîd is written in the three hundred and twenty-first (321) page of the book Jilâ-ul’uyûn, which was written by Muhammad Bâqir bin Murtadâ Fayzî Khorasânî,
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Post by Hasan Askari on Jul 19, 2007 11:13:51 GMT
Where can i get this book from
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Post by musaafir on Jul 19, 2007 12:39:35 GMT
Hadrat Mu’âwiya’s last advice to his son Yazîd as he was dying, as follows: Do not get back at him for his behaviour! What behaviour? Hadrat Hussain alayhis 'salam's behaviour was impeccable and pure. How authentic is this book? which book of Hizmet series do you get this quote from?please.
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Jul 19, 2007 15:55:52 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
JAZZALLAHU ANNA MUHAMMADAN MA HUWA AHLAHU
SAGHE DARBARE JILANI
Brother can you provide us with more details about the Author and other chapter of this book.
There is no match between Imam Hussain alayhis 'salam & Yazeed Lanati.
Maula Hussain alayhis 'salam is the full moon and Yazeed Laanati is even worse than the dirty rotten insect from gutter's.
ahle bayt e paak se bay-adbiyaan, bay-baakiyaan la'anatullahi alaykum ay dushmanan e ahle bayt.
KHAAKE DARBARE HUSSAINI ALAM
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Post by Saalik on Jul 19, 2007 16:33:42 GMT
Bismillah-hir-Rahmaan-nir-Raheem Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Yaa Sayyadi Yaa Rasulallah Sallal Laahu Ta'alaa Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wa Sallam Brother Ottoman, if the book Jilâ-ul’uyûn is written by Muhammad Baqir bin Murtadha Fayzi Khorasani, then be careful because he is a shia scholar. It will be a good idea if as requested by Beloved Brothers Syed Rehan and Brother Musaafir, we get more details and also the link so that it be checked for any inconformity with our Aqeedah Ahl Sunnat Wal Jama'at.Jazaak Allah Khairan. Sallalaahu Alan Nabiyyil Ummiyi Wa Aalehi Wa Sallama Salaatanw Wa Salaaman Alaika Yaa Rasulullah.
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Post by ottoman on Jul 19, 2007 20:52:44 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
JAZZALLAHU ANNA MUHAMMADAN MA HUWA AHLAHU
SAGHE DARBARE JILANI
Brother can you provide us with more details about the Author and other chapter of this book.
There is no match between Imam Hussain alayhis 'salam & Yazeed Lanati.
Maula Hussain alayhis 'salam is the full moon and Yazeed Laanati is even worse than the dirty rotten insect from gutter's.
ahle bayt e paak se bay-adbiyaan, bay-baakiyaan la'anatullahi alaykum ay dushmanan e ahle bayt.
KHAAKE DARBARE HUSSAINI ALAM Jilâ-ul’uyûn, which was written by Muhammad Bâqir bin Murtadâ Fayzî Khorasânî, a Shiite leader, who is better known with his nickname Molla Muhsin. He died in 1091 [1679 A.D.]. According to a book entitled Nâsikh-ut-tawârîh, written by a Shiite theologian named Muhammad Taqî Khân, Mu’âwiya also wrote the following will for his son Yazîd: “My son, do not succumb to your sensuous indulgences or temptations! Protect yourself from the slightest wrongful behaviour towards Husayn! Be extra careful not to have the blood of Husayn bin Alî around your neck when you stand (for the last judgement) before Haqq ta’âlâ on the morrow! Otherwise, you will never attain comfort and peace on that day; you will suffer endless torments!” Moreover, the author quotes a hadîth-i-sherîf, which he ascribes to Abdullah ibn Abbâs, in the hundred and eleventh (111) page of the sixth volume of the book: “Yâ Rabbî! Do not give barakat to a person who is slack in observing the reverence and honour due to Husayn!” Hadrat Mu’âwiya ‘radiy-Allâhu ’anh’ always behaved politely and respectfully towards Hadrat Husayn both in speech and in writing and never showed disrespect towards him. Imâm Husayn, in contrast, was rather harsh towards him, especially in the letters that he wrote to him. In fact, when Hadrat Mu’âwiya’s sons Yazîd and Abdullah, told their father to answer in kind when they saw the reproachful language that Hadrat Husayn used in his letters, he placated them, saying, “You two are wrong, saying so. How can I ever blame Husayn bin Alî? A person like me blames another person and tries to convince others to agree with him, and still no one believes him. No. A discreet person wouldn’t do that. How can I ever blame Husayn? I swear in the name of Allah that there is nothing blameworthy about him. I will write to him. Yet I will not write anything that will imply a browbeating air or which will hurt him in the least.” The Shiite author of the book Nâsikh-ut-tawârîh concludes as follows in the seventy-eighth (78) page of the sixth volume of the book: “In short, he did not do anything to hurt Husayn.”
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Post by Saalik on Jul 20, 2007 7:25:10 GMT
Bismillah-hir-Rahmaan-nir-Raheem Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Yaa Sayyadi Yaa Rasulallah Sallal Laahu Ta'alaa Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wa Sallam Brother Ottoman, since it is confirmed that the author is indeed a shiite it is best to abstain from quoting his writings. The deviants are very cunning; to make others accept what they accept they can go far. In their books they say several truth in conformity with the Aqeedah Ahle Sunnat Wal Jama'at and the readers get carried to such point that they don't even notice that by a few logical points they have accepted the deviants as being on haq.
I remember some years ago about a book in a masjid which was full of praises for the Blessed Ones and by using a certain logic the author wanted to corrupt the belief of the readers in regards to Hazrat Khizr Alayhis Salaam. He said that it is impossible for Hazrat Khizr Alayhis Salaam to have not tasted death till today because the Most Superior of all creation Sayyadinah Hazrat Muhammad Mustapha Sallal Laahu Alayhe Wa Sallam has tasted death. He further qualified Hazrat Khizr Alayhis Salaam as a liar (Naouzubillah) with logic support that can easily corrupt the belief of someone who does not possess necessary knowledge to distinguish between truth and falsehood. The person who brought that book in the masjid was very reluctant to have it removed from the desk. His main reason was that there are many good stuffs in that book. What is more surprising is that the person concerned was a Sunni at that time. Today he is such that he cultivates doubts on the Wilayaat Mubaarak of His Emminence Mawlaanah Shah Muhammad Abdul Aleem Siddiqui Al Qadri Al Madani Radi Allahu Ta'alaa Anhu, a descendant of Ameer ul Mumineen Sayyadinah Hazrat Abu Bakr as Siddiq Radi Allahu Ta'alaa Anhu.
We are at a time where most people don't have time to verify carefully what they read, it is the duty of each of us here to be careful with what we post. Dear Brother please don't take any offence as I am only doing what I am considering as my duty to prevent others from getting innocently misled somewhere by misunderstanding. The deviants have re-edited and modified many books written by Sunni Scholars to spread their corrupt belief through them (the modified books). The net is full of such modified books.
The conclusion is that we must not blindly trust the words of the deviants, however truthful they may appear - we must be very careful to safeguard our imaan otherwise the fault is ours.
Sallalaahu Alan Nabiyyil Ummiyi Wa Aalehi Wa Sallama Salaatanw Wa Salaaman Alaika Yaa Rasulullah.
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Post by ottoman on Jul 20, 2007 8:57:05 GMT
Imâm Husayn, in contrast, was rather harsh towards him, especially in the letters that he wrote to him. In fact, when Hadrat Mu’âwiya’s sons Yazîd and Abdullah, told their father to answer in kind when they saw the reproachful language that Hadrat Husayn used in his letters, he placated them, saying, “You two are wrong, saying so. How can I ever blame Husayn bin Alî? A person like me blames another person and tries to convince others to agree with him, and still no one believes him. No. A discreet person wouldn’t do that. How can I ever blame Husayn? I swear in the name of Allah that there is nothing blameworthy about him. I will write to him. Yet I will not write anything that will imply a browbeating air or which will hurt him in the least.” The Shiite author of the book Nâsikh-ut-tawârîh concludes as follows in the seventy-eighth (78) page of the sixth volume of the book: “In short, he did not do anything to hurt Husayn.”
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Post by musaafir on Jul 20, 2007 9:14:45 GMT
Assalaam Alaikum
Ottoman dont post these excerpts here please,because they are from a book called "Rafaqut e Husain" which is a persian translation of a book called" shahaadut e husayn". The author of the book "shahadut e hussain" (abdus shakoor ilahi mirzapuri) is just using material from shia books that you quote,as his defense.
I Strongly believe these books are of deobandi origin(Allah forgive me if i'm wrong) due to the connection with Islamyya madrassa in karachi.
Hizmet books have unfortunately included this excerpt from this book without really doing any research.
Infact at the end of the main excerpt there seems to be an absurd statement that clears Yazeed paleed,ibn zyad and shimmer from having any role in the martyrdom of Imam Hussain alayhis 'salam,Astaghfirullah.
Please be careful of what you post we are Ahle Sunnah Wal jamaah here (Alhamdulillah),not deobandi/wahaabi.
PS We do not/ should not have a problem with the defense of Hadrat Muavya Radi Allahu anhu that is given,but i do not agree with the negative attitude towards Hadrat Imam Hussain alayhis 'salam.(even though he quotes it from shia source, and not himself)
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Post by ottoman on Jul 20, 2007 9:38:24 GMT
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Post by Slave of Ahle-Baith on Jul 20, 2007 12:55:56 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam
I think we should not entertain any work by Shia's & deobandies on this website.
Let's get it straight :
Haqq is with Maula Hussain alayhis 'salam Maula Hussain alayhis 'salam is with Haqq
Very well said brother FFS.
Haq Hussain Maula Hussain
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Post by Saalik on Jul 20, 2007 13:18:13 GMT
Bismillah-hir-Rahmaan-nir-Raheem Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Yaa Sayyadi Yaa Rasulallah Sallal Laahu Ta'alaa Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wa Sallam Sayyadinah Hazrat Amir Muawiya Radi Allahu Ta'alaa Anhu is Alhamdulillah on Haq, accepted and respected by Sunnis. This does not mean that just because the deviants are praising Him we must accept their sayings or writings. We Sunnis are always full of praises for the Blessed Ahle Bait Alayhim Assalaam and will never tolerate that their character be simplified by a deviant who dares to write "in contrast" concerning the Blessed Character of Sayyadinah Imam Hussein Alayhis salaam - what exactly does he want the readers to understand. As the deviants are very clever at deviating others, the inexperienced (in matters of religion) surfers and readers must be extremely careful when trying to learn Islam from the net. It has been clearly seen throughout Islamic history that after getting deviated, how ardent defenders of deviated ideology the deviated one become. Sallalaahu Alan Nabiyyil Ummiyi Wa Aalehi Wa Sallama Salaatanw Wa Salaaman Alaika Yaa Rasulullah.
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Post by Sister Nomee on Jul 20, 2007 13:25:41 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir RaheemI think we should not entertain any work by Shia's & deobandies on this website.
Well quoted brother, it is very difficult at times to acknowledge or recognise wahabi/deobandi site but once it has been confirmed then one must refrain from using that website and promoting its contents here on Islam786.
May we all stay away from these sites and its teachings ameen.
Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by Slave of Ahle-Baith on Jul 20, 2007 13:47:22 GMT
We respect Sayyidina Ameer Muawiya Radi Allahu anhu but .....
Beloved brother in the battle between Maula Ali alayhis 'salam & Sayyidina Ameer Muawiya Radi Allahu anhu
Haq is with Ali , Ali is with Haq
Bol Raha He Tan Man Sara Ali Ali He Masto Ka Har Dam Nara Ali Ali
As Rehan Sahib already said there is no match between Maula Hussain alayhis 'salam & Yazeed Laanati.
Haq is with Hussain , Hussain is with Haq.
Shah ast Husayn, Badshah ast Husayn, Deen ast Husayn, Deen panah ast Husayn, Sar dad, na dad dast, dar dast-e-Yazeed, Haqaa key binaey lailaha illAllah ast Husayn
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Jul 20, 2007 14:01:03 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
JAZZALLAHU ANNA MUHAMMADAN MA HUWA AHLAHU
SAGHE DARBARE JILANI
The events of Karbla Sharif have been preserved by Muslims throughout times. In fact the very first Islamic books ever written were about Karbla Sharif. Please note that this was long before the compilation of Hadith books took place. A short list of Authors:
1) First book ever written on Karbla Sharif was by Asbat Bin Naubata who died in 81 Hijir. He was an eye witness of the happenings at Karbla Sharif and his book contains great amount of details.
2) Next book on Karbla Sharif was written by Jabir Bin Yazeed-Jaufi who was born in the year 128 Hijri
3) Next book on Karbla Sharif was written by Umar Bin Muawiya who was born in the year 133 Hijri
4) Next book on Karbla Sharif was written by Awana Bin Hakam who was born in the year 147 Hijri
5) Next book on Karbla Sharif was written by Abu Mikhnaf who was born in the year 157 or 175
6) Next book on Karbla Sharif was written by Husam Bin Qalbi who passed away in the year 204 Hijir
7) Next book on Karbla Sharif was written by Waqdi, the author of the famous book Magazi, who passed away in the year 207 Hijri
8) Next book on Karbla Sharif was written by Nasar Bin Muzahim who passed away in the year 212 Hijri
9) Next book on Karbla Sharif was written by Madaime who is often quoted by Historieans
So brother, the events of Karbla Sharif are very well preserved. All these quoted names are Sunni. Before judging the absence of these fact in a book, do assess the period in which it was written.
Anabnu Ali el Hibre Min Ale Hashemi Kafani Be Haza Maghfrean He Na Aghfaru Wa Jaddi Rasoollallahe Akramo Mamma Sha Wa Nahno Sirajullah Fil Khalke Nazharu
KHAAKE DARBARE HUSSAINI ALAM
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Post by musaafir on Jul 20, 2007 14:41:54 GMT
Brother although the majority of that link is excerpts from the blessed writings of hadrat mujaddid alf i sani Rehmatullahi ’Alaih and are true,however the excerpts in question (that you posted) are not the writing of mujaddid alfi sani Rehmatullahi ’Alaih, but some possibly deobandi scholar from the books i've mention in previous post.
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Post by Saalik on Jul 20, 2007 14:58:09 GMT
Bismillah-hir-Rahmaan-nir-Raheem Assalaatu Wassalaamu Alayka Yaa Sayyadi Yaa Rasulallah Sallal Laahu Ta'alaa Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wa Sallam Beloved Brother together with respecting your love for Sayyadinah Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu Taalib Alayhis Salaam and your opinion about Sayyadinah Hazrat Ameer Muawiya Radi Allahu Ta'alaa Anhu, without any intention to debate on this fact it is important for all of us to remember the extreme words of respect and humility that Sayyadinah Shaikh Sayyad Abdul Qadir Jilaani Radi Allahu Ta'alaa Anhu said about Sayyadinah Hazrat Ameer Muawiya Radi Ta'alaa Anhu. Freely allowing ourselves to try to comment on the giants our imaan will easily weaken if we likewise try to see who was on haq in the battle of the camel in which Sayyidah Bibi Aishah Siddiqua Radi Alahu Ta'alaa Anha & Sayyadinah Hazrat Ali Alayhis Salaam participated........I won't go into details, you know what I mean and I fully understand your view. Truly there is no match between Sayyadinah Imam Hussain Alayhis Salaam & Yazeed Laanati. By replying and supporting truth in this thread it is clear that we also are on haq so why not stay on this. Sallalaahu Alan Nabiyyil Ummiyi Wa Aalehi Wa Sallama Salaatanw Wa Salaaman Alaika Yaa Rasulullah.
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Post by musaafir on Jul 20, 2007 15:38:17 GMT
Assalaam Alaikum It is a fact that " Ali alayhis 'salam is with haq and haq is with Ali"
However the disagreements between the great sahabas were due to their ijtihad(as they were all qualified to do ijtihad).
At the the end of the day the Ijtihad of Ali alayhis 'salam proved to be right.
Let it be known that one who is able to do ijtihad(is qualified to do so) will still be rewarded for his effort in doing so,and not get blamed for it.
A person whose ijtihad is proved right gets 10 sawabs,whereas someone whose does not will still get 1 sawaab.
Hence we should think good of all sahaaba,regardless of their differences.
With all due respect hadrat Muavya Radi Allahu anhu is not of the same rank as Hadrat Ali alayhis 'salam,but he is a sahabi nevertheless and deserving of respect.
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Post by Hafeez on Jul 20, 2007 20:07:57 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
well said br musaafir, the sahaba ikraam certainly were true servants to the cause of Islam and were willing to sacrifice themsleves becaue of the love they had for Nabi Kareem Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam.
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Post by khadimSI on Jul 20, 2007 20:18:41 GMT
some interesting comments.
I totally agree respected brother Saalik. Lets uphold the same belief, strength and conviction in regards to every member of the many misguided sects even those who may at one point shared a sunni platform but are now mixing with the wrong crowds, ie deos etc.
Brother Ottoman through your various posts Alhamdolillah I have gained alot of knowledge and thus alot of respect for you. You have defended the Ahle Sunnah wal Jama'ah from every angle and I hope you and respected Fana fis Shaykh and brothers Musaafir, Saalik and Slave of the Ahle Bayt etc etc can continue to be a thorn on the wounds of all those who deviate from Haq. As for your quotations I think they are very interesting coming from Shi'ite material and for those with knowledge or those who engage in debate with the Shia's it is a good source of information but as the above mentioned brothers point out it can be misleading on an open forum like this. What would have been more appropriate if you dont mind me saying is that you could have merely pointed out the hypocrisies of the Misguided Shi'ites.
total respect to each and every Companion of our Beloved Messenger and his pure Household.
wa salam
Khadim Shaykh al Islam
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