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Post by treasure on Jul 27, 2007 16:41:07 GMT
brother fana fis shaykhs post on july 25th is a bit strong worded and comes across as putting down the respect and honour of one of the greatest Mystics and Arif billah Hadrat Hujjat tul Islam Imam Ghazali Radi Allah ho ta ala anh.
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Post by Slave of Ahle-Baith on Jul 27, 2007 17:12:33 GMT
brother fana fis shaykhs post on july 25th is a bit strong worded and comes across as putting down the respect and honour of one of the greatest Mystics and Arif billah Hadrat Hujjat tul Islam Imam Ghazali Radi Allah ho ta ala anh. Brother FFS has not posted anything from his orn pocket or book. He quoted from Imam gazzali's Radi Allahu anhu book with reference. One should first check the book. Everyone is feeling bad when brother FFS posted the word's of Imam Gazzali Radi Allahu anhu but what about the criticism of Maula Ali alayhis 'salam in the book of Imam Gazzali Radi Allahu anhudoes anyone feel bad about that. ? Imam Gazzali Radi Allahu anhu is not maasom and he can make mistake and Ulema's have confronted him on this issue's and refuted his ruling. Imam Gazzali Radi Allahu anhu is scholar of high calibre and great mystic but he is not Masoom. Yaa Ali
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Post by Sister Nomee on Jul 27, 2007 18:36:08 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa SallamOne must read the contents of posts made by each other and learn the facts before we make comments as sometimes comments can be upsetting or false. I once again request that we refrain from making personal comments and stick to the subject. JazakAllah Khairun Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
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Post by Hasan Askari on Jul 27, 2007 20:55:34 GMT
why is every1 going at each other.lock the thread.this thread is surely not going to take any one to jannah.
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Post by muzaffar on Jul 28, 2007 1:09:20 GMT
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAH Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa SallamOne must read the contents of posts made by each other and learn the facts before we make comments as sometimes comments can be upsetting or false. I once again request that we refrain from making personal comments and stick to the subject. JazakAllah Khairun Wa'alaykum 'Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa BarakatuhuI have to agree with brother treasure, it does come across as a bit strong worded, and i know with respect that wasnt Shah sahibs intention, but if you re-read it looks like too much of a bold statement. As has been said, maybe silence is the best option in these circumstances.
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Post by kenmirz on Jul 29, 2007 11:08:47 GMT
Bismillahirrohmanirrohim assalamualaikum my beloved brothers in Islam. i admit my mistake but i didnt start this topic. it is true that Imam Ghazali is not ma'sum. only Anbiya wal mursalin alaihimussalam are ma'sum. i am sorry if i act like a defender of yazid, astaghfurullah i never ever defend this fasiq. the only thing is that when we are to choose 2 poitions with regards to the infidelity of a person, i choose those that is on the safer side and comment no more. since many Ulama Of AhluSunnah wal Jamaah are silence with regards to yazid, i taqleed to their opinion and i do not deny the position of the other Ulama Of AhluSunnah wal jamaah with respect to their invaluable fatwa concerning yazid. Imam Ahmad Rabbani Faruqi Assirhindi Rahmatullahialaihi, one of the greatest Ulama of India, the Mujaddid Alf Thani in his MAKTUBAT was also approved of the cursing of yezid because of his disrespect towards Ahlil Beyt Rasul Radhiyallahuanhum ajmain. please do not suspect me all my brothers In Islam, alhamdulillah, I am of Ahlusunnah wal jamaah. i love hadrat Huseyn , hadrat Hassan and hadrat Ali Asadullah radhiyallauanhum ajmain as they are the beloved personalities to the greatest of all creation, Nabiyy Muhammad sallallahualahiwasallam. i think i clear the misconception about me, and i have nothing to do with the deobandis or salafis heretics or even shia heretics. i just prefer to be silent when talk about yazid, hajjaj or even marwan al hakkam. i will improve my defective ibadat. wassalam.
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Post by sunni slave on Jul 29, 2007 11:16:13 GMT
Bismillahirrohmanirrohim assalamualaikum my beloved brothers in Islam. i admit my mistake but i didnt start this topic. it is true that Imam Ghazali is not ma'sum. only Anbiya wal mursalin alaihimussalam are ma'sum. i am sorry if i act like a defender of yazid, astaghfurullah i never ever defend this fasiq. the only thing is that when we are to choose 2 poitions with regards to the infidelity of a person, i choose those that is on the safer side and comment no more. since many Ulama Of AhluSunnah wal Jamaah are silence with regards to yazid, i taqleed to their opinion and i do not deny the position of the other Ulama Of AhluSunnah wal jamaah with respect to their invaluable fatwa concerning yazid. Imam Ahmad Rabbani Faruqi Assirhindi Rahmatullahialaihi, one of the greatest Ulama of India, the Mujaddid Alf Thani in his MAKTUBAT was also approved of the cursing of yezid because of his disrespect towards Ahlil Beyt Rasul Radhiyallahuanhum ajmain. please do not suspect me all my brothers In Islam, alhamdulillah, I am of Ahlusunnah wal jamaah. i love hadrat Huseyn , hadrat Hassan and hadrat Ali Asadullah radhiyallauanhum ajmain as they are the beloved personalities to the greatest of all creation, Nabiyy Muhammad sallallahualahiwasallam. i think i clear the misconception about me, and i have nothing to do with the deobandis or salafis heretics or even shia heretics. i just prefer to be silent when talk about yazid, hajjaj or even marwan al hakkam. i will improve my defective ibadat. wassalam. Well said brother. It says a lot about a person when he is humble and admits if he has made a mistake or goes out of his way to claify his position. ASALATU WASALAMU ALAYKA YA RASULLALLAHHaq Ahle Sunnah
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Jul 29, 2007 11:37:42 GMT
Bismillahirrohmanirrohim assalamualaikum my beloved brothers in Islam. i admit my mistake but i didnt start this topic. it is true that Imam Ghazali is not ma'sum. only Anbiya wal mursalin alaihimussalam are ma'sum. i am sorry if i act like a defender of yazid, astaghfurullah i never ever defend this fasiq. the only thing is that when we are to choose 2 poitions with regards to the infidelity of a person, i choose those that is on the safer side and comment no more. since many Ulama Of AhluSunnah wal Jamaah are silence with regards to yazid, i taqleed to their opinion and i do not deny the position of the other Ulama Of AhluSunnah wal jamaah with respect to their invaluable fatwa concerning yazid. Imam Ahmad Rabbani Faruqi Assirhindi Rahmatullahialaihi, one of the greatest Ulama of India, the Mujaddid Alf Thani in his MAKTUBAT was also approved of the cursing of yezid because of his disrespect towards Ahlil Beyt Rasul Radhiyallahuanhum ajmain. please do not suspect me all my brothers In Islam, alhamdulillah, I am of Ahlusunnah wal jamaah. i love hadrat Huseyn , hadrat Hassan and hadrat Ali Asadullah radhiyallauanhum ajmain as they are the beloved personalities to the greatest of all creation, Nabiyy Muhammad sallallahualahiwasallam. i think i clear the misconception about me, and i have nothing to do with the deobandis or salafis heretics or even shia heretics. i just prefer to be silent when talk about yazid, hajjaj or even marwan al hakkam. i will improve my defective ibadat. wassalam.
Kenmirz Sahib i did'nt mean to hurt your feeling. I know everyone here post with good intention.
Keep up the good work.
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ALL THE SUNNI'S ARE CROWN OF MY HEAD
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Post by kenmirz on Jul 29, 2007 11:47:05 GMT
thank you my beloved brother in Islam. assolatuwasalamualaika ya rasululullah. may Allahu taala guides us all to the right path and include us among the Ahlul Jannah. at the same time, May Allahu taala guides all the bidaati, all the non Muslim to the right path of Islam, the right Aqidah of AhluSunnah. Amiin.
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Jul 29, 2007 11:55:35 GMT
thank you my beloved brother in Islam. assolatuwasalamualaika ya rasululullah. may Allahu taala guides us all to the right path and include us among the Ahlul Jannah. at the same time, May Allahu taala guides all the bidaati, all the non Muslim to the right path of Islam, the right Aqidah of AhluSunnah. Amiin. ameen Sum Ameen. GAUS-O-KHWAJA NE PEHNAYA TUMKO KARAM KA TAAJ MERA RAHIM KARAM NAWAZ DATA RAHIM KARAM NAWAZ
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Jul 29, 2007 12:39:40 GMT
Please please brothers no defending Yazeedi's on this forum. even Imam Ahmad Raza Rahmatullahi Alay was silent in regards to Yazeeds infidelity.
All the four Imam of Fiqh has agreed upon sending laanat on Yazeed explcitly or Implicitly.
As for Imam-e-Ishq-o-Muhabbat Sayyedi Aala Hazrat Radi Allahu anhu did'nt say that Yazeed was a Muslim.
In the book Ahkame Shariat Aala Hazrat Radi Allahu anhu has define the Kafir in 2 categories :
1) Asli (Proper Kaafir)
2)Murtad
Asli refers to a kaafir who has been a kaafir from the beginning & one who rejects the kalima of Islam & this is of two types aswell
- Mujaahir : One who openly rejects the kalima
The Mujaahir Kaafir is four types.
The first is the aethiest who rejects the existence of Allah, The second is the Mushrik (polytheist), who accepts others except Allah as Gods & believes their existence to be necessary, like the idol worshippers of India, that they do not believe their existence necessary, but they do worship their idols. There are also the Arya, who believe that the soul is not a creation even though they do not worship it. Both are Mushriks & to think of the Aryas as Muwahid (those who believe in one Allah) is an absolute baseless belief. The third type are the Majoosis who worship fire & the fourth trype are the Kitaabi (people of the book) , namely jews & christians .....
- Munafiq : one who reads the kalima with face value & rejects it in his heart. This type is the lowest & worst type and in the lowest level in the hereafter
Murtad - A kaafir murtad is that person who after accepting the Kalima turns back to kufr.
There are two types here aswell.
Murtad Mujaahir :
That person who was initially a Muslim and then openly announces he is leaving Islam & rejects the kalima of Islam, whether he becomes, a mushrik, majoosi, aethiest or kitaabi....
Murtad Munafiq :
That person who still reads the kalima of Islam & calls himself a Muslim & then disrespects Allah & His Rasool or any other Prophet of Allah or he rejects any other necessity of deen, just like the wahabis , raafdhis, qadianis, naichris, chakralwis & those false so called mystics of today who mock the shariat. In the law of this world , the worst type is the Murtad. Jizya (tax) cannot be taken from him. His nikah cannot take place to a Muslim kaafir murtad like himself or to any rejector of religion in other words to any human or even animal ! (animal - just showing the cursed condition of such a person) No matter who he makes nikah to it will not be regarded as nikah but as zinnah, be this for a murtad male or female.
The Murtad Munafiq is the worst type. This is such a person that friendship with him is more harmful that the friendship of a thousand other kaafirs because he is behaving like a Muslim yet he is preaching kufr..........................
Take your pick for what yazeed paleed was........
Insha-Allah in my next post i will put the final nail in the coffin of Yazeed laanati's Kufr.
JazakAllahu khayrun
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thum ko mujhda naar ka ei dushmamaan-e-ahl-e-bayt!
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Post by ottoman on Oct 8, 2007 14:53:33 GMT
Hadrat Mu’âwiya ‘radiy-Allâhu ’anh’ always behaved politely and respectfully towards Hadrat Husayn both in speech and in writing and never showed disrespect towards him. Imâm Husayn, in contrast, was rather harsh towards him, especially in the letters that he wrote to him. In fact, when Hadrat Mu’âwiya’s sons Yazîd and Abdullah, told their father to answer in kind when they saw the reproachful language that Hadrat Husayn used in his letters, he placated them, saying, “You two are wrong, saying so. How can I ever blame Husayn bin Alî? A person like me blames another person and tries to convince others to agree with him, and still no one believes him. No. A discreet person wouldn’t do that. How can I ever blame Husayn? I swear in the name of Allah that there is nothing blameworthy about him. I will write to him. Yet I will not write anything that will imply a browbeating air or which will hurt him in the least.
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Oct 10, 2007 15:21:48 GMT
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
JAZZALLAHU ANNA SAYYEDINA MUHAMMADAN MA HUWA AHLAHU
MANAM SAGHE DARBARE JILANI
I agree.
I dont agree.... How can you blame our Imam. What prove you have. Why would our Imam be harsh on a Sahaba. Our Great Imam will never be harsh on any Momin.
Brother Ottomon i wanna know where you are getting this and do you have the content of the letter which My Aaqa my Maula has send to Hazrat AMeer Muawiya Radi Allahu anhu.
I hope you will try to have more academic dialgues with me. We can have a discussion now or after Ramadan.
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Post by musaafir on Oct 10, 2007 15:45:24 GMT
Brother Ottomon i wanna know where you are getting this Assalaam Alaikum Like i stated earlier in the thread,i believe its from a book called shadat e husayn,written by deobandi affiliated scholars.
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Post by Fana fi Shaykh on Oct 11, 2007 13:55:52 GMT
Brother Ottomon i wanna know where you are getting this Assalaam Alaikum Like i stated earlier in the thread,i believe its from a book called shadat e husayn,written by deobandi affiliated scholars. JazakAllah brother Musaafir. [glow=orange,2,300]Haqq Hussain Maula HUssain[/glow]
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Post by kenmirz on Nov 7, 2007 14:23:32 GMT
bismillahirrohmanirrohim assalatuwassala mualaika ya rasulullah assalamualaikum
i believe bro ottoman is posting that with good intention. hadrat Hassan radhiyallahuanhu is much more nobler than hadrat Muawiya radhiyallahuanhu. actually they do respect each other. when the news of the death of hadrat muawiya reached the blessed ear of hadrat hassan, he recited the ayat karimas for his soul. the meaning of the disagreement between them is that some of their ijtihad regarding certain matter is not the similar. this is quite similar when hadrat Umar Faruq radhiyallahuanhu rebuked Hadrat Abu Hurairah radhiyallahuanhu when the latter wanted to inform certain news regarding paradise to muslims at that time. both are noble sahaba kiram and both are AhlulJannah. i hope that answer the question. wassalam.
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Post by newcomer on Jan 10, 2008 17:18:01 GMT
I'm sorry for prolonging this thread but brother Ottoman has a duty to this forum and its members to substantiate and prove his claim.
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